Apple unveils 24-inch LED Cinema Display [Archive]

AppleInsider

10-14-2008, 01:32 PM

During its special notebook Tuesday, Apple unveiled its new Cinema Display featuring a 24-inch LED-backlit widescreen display with built-in iSight video camera, mic, and speakers in a thin aluminum and glass enclosure.

The Cupertino-based company said the new offering is designed especially for the new MacBook family, and includes an integrated MagSafe charger, three USB 2.0 ports and the new Mini DisplayPort, making it easy for MacBook users to quickly connect and power their notebooks as well as use their favorite peripherals.

"The new LED Cinema Display is the most advanced display that Apple has ever made," said Philip Schiller, Apple's senior vice president of Worldwide Product Marketing. "It is a perfect fit for our sleek new line of aluminum MacBooks with its 24-inch LED-backlit screen, aluminum and glass enclosure, integrated camera, mic and speakers, MagSafe charger, three USB ports and Mini DisplayPort."

Resolution and Specs

The 24-inch glossy, widescreen display features a 1920 x 1200 pixel resolution and uses LED-backlit technology to provide instant full-screen brightness and great power efficiency. It's suspended by an aluminum stand with an adjustable hinge that makes tilting the display easy, and includes a built-in iSight video camera, mic and speakers, making it ideal for video conferencing with iChat, listening to music or watching movies.

The new display also includes three self-powered USB 2.0 ports so users can leave their printer, camera, iPhone 3G or iPod dock connected when they take their MacBook with them. The thin display also includes a built-in universal MagSafe charger so users can leave their notebook's MagSafe power adapter in their travel bag.

Apple's Greenest Display Ever

Apple also announced that the new LED Cinema Display is the greenest display it's ever developed, made with mercury-free LED technology, arsenic-free glass and highly recyclable materials. It meets stringent Energy Star 4.0 requirements and achieves EPEAT Gold status, the company said. The new display contains no brominated flame retardants, and all internal cables and components are PVC-free. Its foam packaging has also been reduced by 44 percent.

Part of the next-generation DisplayPort industry standard, a new Mini DisplayPort delivers a pure digital signal that can drive up to a 30-inch widescreen display, Apple said. The Mini DisplayPort is ultra-compact at just 10 percent the size of a full DVI connector. Adapters are also available for using the MacBook's Mini DisplayPort with older generation VGA, DVI/HDMI and Dual-Link DVI displays.

Pricing & Availability

The new LED Cinema Display will be available in November through the Apple Store, Apple's retail stores and Apple Authorized Resellers for a suggested retail price of $899. It will require a MacBook, MacBook Air or MacBook Pro with the new Mini DisplayPort.[ View this article at AppleInsider.com ] (http://www.appleinsider.com/article.php?id=10247)

TenoBell

10-14-2008, 01:38 PM

I figured they were waiting for LED to update the Cinema Display. I suppose this means the iMac will go LED sometime soon.

dr_lha

10-14-2008, 01:38 PM

What an odd decision to make this only work with the new laptops. I guess we can expect displayport capable Mac Pros sometime soon?

L255J

10-14-2008, 01:39 PM

What an odd decision to make this only work with the new laptops. I guess we can expect displayport capable Mac Pros sometime soon?

That sounds like a given.

DeaPeaJay

10-14-2008, 01:41 PM

This sucks, I can only get this display if I upgrade my Macbook Pro?

kim kap sol

10-14-2008, 01:41 PM

What an odd decision to make this only work with the new laptops. I guess we can expect displayport capable Mac Pros sometime soon?

Not only does it only work with the new laptops (for now) but it has built-in iSight and speakers WHICH THE FUCKING LAPTOPS ALREADY HAVE. Apple has lost grasp on reality. Such waste, such overloading to artificially prop up the price.

Everyone should boycott this product. Why pay for a second iSight and a second set of speakers? Only people with money to throw will buy this product. With the world going into recession, people would be mad to buy such a product.

dr_lha

10-14-2008, 01:42 PM

DeaPeaJay

10-14-2008, 01:43 PM

oweneck

10-14-2008, 01:44 PM

This sucks, I can only get this display if I upgrade my Macbook Pro?

I was thinking the exact same thing and even asked it in another thread on here but if there are speakers and an iSight and a mic in the new Apple Cinema Displays, what's the point? They only work on new Macbooks, Macbook Pros and Macbook Airs, which all have these built in anyways and I know that some people are saying that people obviously use them for their Mac Pros but they're currently not compatible, right? As well as them not even being compatible with older systems now either, which really sucks, what do we do if we want to buy an Apple Cinema Display for an older machine, if it it was just one that I had or could have bought Yesterday or even last week?

johnmcboston

10-14-2008, 01:47 PM

What an odd decision to make this only work with the new laptops. I guess we can expect displayport capable Mac Pros sometime soon?

Agreed. Some adapter we don't know about yet?

iReality85

10-14-2008, 01:47 PM

What an odd decision to make this only work with the new laptops. I guess we can expect displayport capable Mac Pros sometime soon?

Odd decision indeed. Considering the display only works with mini Display Port, it even alienates current Mac users, unless they get a converter. Alittle disappointing on the specs too... a 14ms response time? Thats incredibly slow and outdated. Combine that with only a 1000:1 CR and this puppy is waaaaay over priced. You can get FAR better performing "monitors" for less than half the $899 price, with way better specs, and with more inputs than just USB (very perplexing). Case in point: my 24" Acer HD monitor with 3000:1 CR and 2ms response time that was $330.

Ouch Apple.

CAM

10-14-2008, 01:47 PM

Why pay for a second iSight and a second set of speakers? Only people with money to throw will buy this product. With the world going into recession, people would be mad to buy such a product.

I imagine that this is a forward-thinking decision. I would bet that the next versions of the Mac Mini and Mac Pro will work well with these displays.

Also, if you are actually working on the new display with your MacBook in iChat, for example, you would probably want to be looking into that display's camera as opposed to the iSight on your laptop which would probably be off to the side.

timgriff84

10-14-2008, 01:47 PM

So they finally come out with a display that will look good next to the current iMac and it wont actually connect to it. Not only that but to use it with a laptop you have to plug 3 cables in! What about this is good. PC Laptops have docs that you just put your laptop down on and everythings connected not feck around with wires each time you use it, arnt mac's meant to be the simple things.

tim68

10-14-2008, 01:47 PM

I suppose I should be grateful for the updates we got today. But I spent a lot of money last January on what Apple propped up as the best Mac ever. Are they telling me my $14,000 Pro won't work with their new line of cinema displays? Am I going to have to pay for the overpriced outdated Cinema Displays from '04? I'd hate to know I've been waiting all this time for a 30 inch LED display that isn't coming.

mitchelljd

10-14-2008, 01:50 PM

i think it is ridiculous to bash the monitor because of the graphics adapter, which i am sure apple will provide an adapter, or sell one, that you can use with your mac Pro, or hell, mac mini.

but...

ABSOLUTELY HATE THE GLOSSY DISPLAY, want Matte anti-reflective screen, very hard to do graphics work with a glossy/shiny display.

cmon apple, glossy is kinda stupid and your prosumers know better!!!

oweneck

10-14-2008, 01:50 PM

Dude, I hardly think they're making us pay for those added features. It's the same price point as the old 23" cinema display and it's LED and an inch bigger!

I have just bought a new Samsung 24 inch screen this past week and although I know its not the same screen, it doesn't even have the same kind of panel behind it, it is the same size, the same supported resolutions, it is in matte which I prefer, it does have speakers but I'm sure that they're probably not as good of the quality and it doesn't have an iSight or a mic built in but it was only $350 (Canadian Dollars) and tax, I could buy 3 of these for the same price as one of the new Apple Cinema displays because I am guessing that it will cost $899, which would be somewhere between $1000 and $1200 Canadian Dollars and tax, which would probably cost about $1200 or about the same as a new regular Macbook or even a 20 inch iMac?

DeaPeaJay

10-14-2008, 01:55 PM

I have just bought a new Samsung 24 inch screen this past week and although I know its not the same screen, it doesn't even have the same kind of panel behind it, it is the same size, the same supported resolutions, it is in matte which I prefer, it does have speakers but I'm sure that they're probably not as good of the quality and it doesn't have an iSight or a mic built in but it was only $350 (Canadian Dollars) and tax, I could buy 3 of these for the same price as one of the new Apple Cinema displays because I am guessing that it will cost $899, which would be somewhere between $1000 and $1200 Canadian Dollars and tax, which would probably cost about $1200 or about the same as a new regular Macbook or even a 20 inch iMac?

yes, but you're forgetting that the current 23" cinema display with none of those new features costs 899 as well. Apple hasn't changed in terms of pricing on their new displays is my point. They're just as expensive as they ever were.

P.S. BTW - If you're Canadian you'd actually save money. have you looked at the exchange rate recently? 1 dollar is 1.145 canadian dollars

talkshowonmute

10-14-2008, 01:57 PM

So I know Im kinda slow at this, but I like the concept of a bigger screen for at home use and being able to plug my ipod or if i get an iphone and my printer or whatever but like do you have to use both screens when your laptop is connected i would think thats kinda of annoying if you do i mean i would want it to pretty much replace my laptop while im using it. Is there different settings like dual screen and single one?

oweneck

10-14-2008, 01:58 PM

yes, but you're forgetting that the current 23" cinema display with none of those new features costs 899 as well. Apple hasn't changed in terms of pricing on their new displays is my point. They're just as expensive as they ever were.

I know, that's my point also, I'm not arguing against you, I don't think but they are just as expensive as they always were, I still think they were really overpriced in the first place and nothing has changed, price wise.

DeaPeaJay

10-14-2008, 01:58 PM

JeffDM

10-14-2008, 01:59 PM

Not only does it only work with the new laptops (for now) but it has built-in iSight and speakers WHICH THE FUCKING LAPTOPS ALREADY HAVE. Apple has lost grasp on reality. Such waste, such overloading to artificially prop up the price.

Everyone should boycott this product. Why pay for a second iSight and a second set of speakers? Only people with money to throw will buy this product. With the world going into recession, people would be mad to buy such a product.

Maybe it's really for the desktops? I don't think the camera modules are that expensive, they're the same thing that's included in disposable phones. The product is cheaper and better than the previous version.

Agreed. Some adapter we don't know about yet?

I thought DisplayPort could be made backward compatible using the same connector - just with a simple cable adapter.

TenoBell

10-14-2008, 02:00 PM

I have just bought a new Samsung 24 inch screen this past week and although I know its not the same screen, it doesn't even have the same kind of panel behind it, it is the same size, the same supported resolutions, it is in matte which I prefer, it does have speakers but I'm sure that they're probably not as good of the quality and it doesn't have an iSight or a mic built in but it was only $350 (Canadian Dollars) and tax, I could buy 3 of these for the same price as one of the new Apple Cinema displays because I am guessing that it will cost $899, which would be somewhere between $1000 and $1200 Canadian Dollars and tax, which would probably cost about $1200 or about the same as a new regular Macbook or even a 20 inch iMac?

Just because it has the same screen size and resolution doesn't mean they are alike. LED backlighting is more expensive than fluorescent backlighting.

oweneck

10-14-2008, 02:01 PM

yes, but you're forgetting that the current 23" cinema display with none of those new features costs 899 as well. Apple hasn't changed in terms of pricing on their new displays is my point. They're just as expensive as they ever were.

P.S. BTW - If you're Canadian you'd actually save money. have you looked at the exchange rate recently? 1 dollar is 1.145 canadian dollars

Also to with the exchange rate, I get an even slightly better exchange rate than that because I'm British and I'm just studying over here but the point is, the exchange rate isn't always going to stay the same or even be that high for Canadians and I don't even know what the price will be for the Apple Cinema Displays in Canada is going to be, I was just guessing, it might even be more.

AHeneen

10-14-2008, 02:02 PM

ALL THE CINEMA DISPLAYS ARE GONE!!!!!

See for yourself: http://www.apple.com/mac/

Looks like the new 24" glossy, DisplayPort, Magsafe Display is the only monitor Apple has anymore. Not only that, but under "In the Box" for both the Display and the MacBook Pro no adaptors are included (like miniDP-DVI)! The store is still down...hopefully it holds something.

By the way, to all those complaining about the iSight & speakers...I'm thinking that Apple was making this more of a docking station (in clamshell mode) than a second display! I'm a bit confused about the speakers though, but maybe it was to clean up a desk area (no speakers with long wires)...I'm sure you will be able to add your own speakers. But for the desktop users and those of us with the current notebooks....?

oweneck

10-14-2008, 02:02 PM

Just because it has the same screen size and resolution doesn't mean they are alike. LED backlighting is more expensive than fluorescent backlighting.

I understand that but is it really worth it for most people, when it's 3 times as much of the price?

As I said before, I could buy a new Macbook or an iMac 20 inch for almost the same price and LED backlit too (obviously not a comparison as I would imagine the price would increase significantly with the size of the screen with them).

TenoBell

10-14-2008, 02:06 PM

I understand that but is it really worth it for most people, when it's 3 times as much of the price?

We will have to see after testing. LED is known to have better dynamic range and color reproduction than older fluorescent.

dreyfus2

10-14-2008, 02:06 PM

A little disappointing on the specs too... a 14ms response time? Thats incredibly slow and outdated. Combine that with only a 1000:1 CR and this puppy is waaaaay over priced. You can get FAR better performing "monitors" for less than half the $899 price, with way better specs, and with more inputs than just USB (very perplexing). Case in point: my 24" Acer HD monitor with 3000:1 CR and 2ms response time that was $330.

Ouch Apple.

You are comparing a 6-bit TN-panel with less colors and far less color accuracy with conventional CCFL-backlight to a S-IPS display with LED backlight here... 14ms is more than fast enough and 1000:1 is absolutely sufficient for creative work (in a dim room with no direct light even 400:1 is plenty, none of our older NEC and EIZO TFTs have more than 700:1 and every single one of them outclasses anything Acer has ever built).

900 bucks for a 24" S-IPS with LED backlight is not expensive at all. If it would not be glossy, I would be very tempted (but with this mirror and without FW-hub they can keep it).

stonefree

10-14-2008, 02:07 PM

Wobegone, if you're reading

Weren't you insisting the other day that hardly anyone uses external displays on laptops. Now that Apple has released displays specificly for their laptops would you like to recant that?

Feel free to recant "Macbooks don't need Firewire" as well.

JeffDM

10-14-2008, 02:08 PM

I understand that but is it really worth it for most people, when it's 3 times as much of the price?

3x what price? More like 2x. I haven't seen a $300 24" display. I think it's more than just the backlight, the cheap displays, and the current 20" iMac use 6 bit panels, and Apple's separate displays most often use 8 bit panels.

zunx

10-14-2008, 02:09 PM

Where is the Firewire port?????????????????????????

DeaPeaJay

10-14-2008, 02:10 PM

Also to with the exchange rate, I get an even slightly better exchange rate than that because I'm British and I'm just studying over here but the point is, the exchange rate isn't always going to stay the same or even be that high for Canadians and I don't even know what the price will be for the Apple Cinema Displays in Canada is going to be, I was just guessing, it might even be more.

Yeah, possibly, with the state of the US economy though, my hopes aren't high for the dollar to increase in any value.

cmf2

10-14-2008, 02:11 PM

To be fair, when I plug my laptop into an external monitor, I usually have the lid closed, so speakers and an iSight are welcome additions in that configuration.

I usually have my lid open, but if I were to video chat, I wouldn't even be in the picture on my laptops isight. My monitor is in front of me (not my laptop) when I am at home, so even with a laptop it makes sense. I don't buy Apple monitors because they are too overpriced for me, but I'd be happy for my monitor to have the features this one has.

dstranathan

10-14-2008, 02:11 PM

DisplayPort info in case you are curious:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DisplayPort

Looks like only Apple HP and Dell have ever used it in production before. Im not sure if Mini DisplayPort is a smaller formfactor or not. I assume it is.

Yet another video adapter for my Mac users to sort through. DVI, Mini-DVI, Micro-DVI, VGA, ADC, etc...

Virgil-TB2

10-14-2008, 02:12 PM

mishkin

10-14-2008, 02:12 PM

I have lots of questions about this display.
If I understood correctly it's going to transfer the sound from the mic and the sound to the speakers through USB port? Or is it part of the miniDP function?

If it is going through USB wouldn't it slow USB down a bit if I'm listening to music or my mic is turned on?

I also wonder if hooking up the monitor would shutdown mic and speakers on the laptop? Otherwise if there's any lag with the sound we are going to have a very bad experience with this guy.

How would my regular speakers work? Are there going to be separate controls for display speakers and regular ones? Or one of them would override the other like it is right now with internal laptop speakers?

jeffharris

10-14-2008, 02:13 PM

Yes, on current MBPs it's the F7 key

F7 is for video mirroring: same image on both displays. If you close the lid, wait for the thing to go to sleep, then wake the system with your external keyboard or mouse, it'll automatically use the external monitor only.

if you decide to use BOTH monitors, monitor spanning, it gives you an extended desktop across both displays. Once you start using dual displays, you'll NEVER want to use one display again!

I keep palettes on my MacBook Pro and work on my external monitor. Or i keep Mail open on the MBP and Safari open on the external. With Spaces, you get even more flexibility.

The only downside is that mice are EXTREMELY inefficient with dual displays. I use a trackball which is faster and more accurate than a mouse. PLUS, you'll NEVER run out of mouse cable or mouse space. Once you give yourself the few hours it takes to get used to a trackball, you'll wonder why you didn't switch earlier. The Kensington Expert mouse is the BEST trackball, BTW!

oweneck

10-14-2008, 02:13 PM

3x what price? More like 2x. I haven't seen a $300 24" display. I think it's more than just the backlight, the cheap displays, and the current 20" iMac use 6 bit panels, and Apple's separate displays most often use 8 bit panels.

I didn't know that about the difference between Apple's display and clearly don't know much between the technologies in displays, I was just wondering myself on the justification of the higher price tag for something, the display I just got was $350 Canadian Dollars and though nothing a like, I just couldn't understand most users, especially ones just buying it for their Macbook at the moment would want to pay that much? Which is why I was asking :).

teckstud

10-14-2008, 02:14 PM

i
ABSOLUTELY HATE THE GLOSSY DISPLAY, want Matte anti-reflective screen, very hard to do graphics work with a glossy/shiny display.

cmon apple, glossy is kinda stupid and your prosumers know better!!!

We can all thank Al Gore for this environmental friendly crap that began with the FUGLY iMac and now has carried on in these aberrations. It's like the scene in the Simpsons movie when everybody throws their trash at the announcer when he announces "environmentally friendly"!
Meanwhile- iPhones to be sold at Wal:devil:mart!!!

AllenKids

10-14-2008, 02:15 PM

Actually I quite like the new ACD. I have a LG display claimed to sport 10000:1 CR and 5ms response time and cost me $350 and it looks like crap even compared to the existing ACD. Dynamic CR is Useless unless you wanna be shined to blind or death.

All these Asian (especially Taiwan or Korea based companies)LCD manufacturers are just playing with specs. When it comes to Display, what you see is what you get. Period.

And there will be some adapters to convert DVI to DisplayPort, as a matter of fact, the new MacBook/Pro line offer mini-display to DVI/VGA adapters as optional. Since the whole Mac line is going DisplayPort and most likely completing the transformation till Feb. 09, making a ACD with native DVI port won't make any sense.

I wish there will be a 30'+ version soon, that would be a beautiful beast!!!

dreamraj

10-14-2008, 02:15 PM

How come nobody's even curious about the 30" ACD? What's happening with that one is what I want to know.

Phone-UI-Guy

10-14-2008, 02:16 PM

Apple's site list compatibility as "Compatible with MacBook, MacBook Air, and MacBook Pro systems with Mini DisplayPort". So the Mac Pros with Mini DisplayPorts must be on the way. ;)

jawporta

10-14-2008, 02:18 PM

I never thought I'd see the day but I'm done with apple. I hate glass screens and if this is the only option they are going to give us then FUCK EM! :mad:

Foo2

10-14-2008, 02:20 PM

I have just bought a new Samsung 24 inch screen this past week and although I know its not the same screen, it doesn't even have the same kind of panel behind it, it is the same size, the same supported resolutions, it is in matte which I prefer, it does have speakers but I'm sure that they're probably not as good of the quality and it doesn't have an iSight or a mic built in but it was only $350 (Canadian Dollars) and tax, I could buy 3 of these for the same price as one of the new Apple Cinema displays because I am guessing that it will cost $899, which would be somewhere between $1000 and $1200 Canadian Dollars and tax, which would probably cost about $1200 or about the same as a new regular Macbook or even a 20 inch iMac?

All Samsung monitors I've seen in the 23-24" size and $300-500 price range use a decidedly inferior quality LCD panel to Apple's, they use CFL backlighting instead of LED, and I believe that, if they contain any speakers at all, they contain just 1. And no iSight.

IMHO, this new Apple display is a great addition to the product line. And it is compatible with older systems through the use of an adapter.

Lictor

10-14-2008, 02:22 PM

What an odd decision to make this only work with the new laptops.

It also means it won't work with non-Apple PC. I already own a PC and don't want to change but also plan on buying a MB as a laptop. So I would need a monitor to hook on both of them. That's a no-go for Apple, I will have to look at HP or the like...

SpamSandwich

10-14-2008, 02:26 PM

I never thought I'd see the day but I'm done with apple. I hate glass screens and if this is the only option they are going to give us then FUCK EM! :mad:

For a guy with only 73 posts, I can only assume you were never a fanboy anyway. :p

daniel84

10-14-2008, 02:26 PM

Despite the complaints, I think this display will get those considering a Macbook Pro to think twice. You can get a well featured Macbook with a matching 24 inch display for the just a bit more money and that's an attractive offer when you're in the shop and ready buy.

The real value of this display will show when they update the Pro and the mini. Some will argue that you can just get a cheaper display somewhere else and that's true. I have a 22 inch Samsung right in front of me. However, I would imagine most computer illiterate consumers go to Apple to buy "the complete package". They don't want to sift through Dell's various ranges of DVI/HDMI/Mini Display monitors, even if they are half the price. Those terms mean nothing to them.

icfireball

10-14-2008, 02:27 PM

http://www.apple.com/displays/cinema/

AHeneen

10-14-2008, 02:28 PM

Still there.

http://www.apple.com/displays/cinema/

The page is still there, but it is not on the "Mac" page which you scroll horizontally. Only the new display is.

JeffDM

10-14-2008, 02:29 PM

And it is compatible with older systems through the use of an adapter.

How do you know that? The information on DisplayPort that I see seems to suggest DVI compatibility is optional, and Apple's spec page doesn't mention DVI compatibility, it would seem like an odd omission. If I wanted one, I wouldn't order it until compatibility has been confirmed.

danielandrews

10-14-2008, 02:31 PM

The store was up for a while and I did see displayport > DVI adapters, so I'd assume they'll offer a whole suite of adapters for us previous-gen mbp owners.

oweneck

10-14-2008, 02:33 PM

How do you know that? The information on DisplayPort that I see seems to suggest DVI compatibility is optional, and Apple's spec page doesn't mention DVI compatibility, it would seem like an odd omission. If I wanted one, I wouldn't order it until compatibility has been confirmed.

It wasn't me that said that but I saw the mistake that you did :P. I do however agree with you though.

icfireball

10-14-2008, 02:38 PM

The page is still there, but it is not on the "Mac" page which you scroll horizontally. Only the new display is.

http://img263.imageshack.us/img263/6126/picture1ds2.png

On the new Cinema Display Homepage

hmurchison

10-14-2008, 02:39 PM

solipsism

10-14-2008, 02:39 PM

So, does anyone have any issues with Apple's new Cinema Display "docking station"? I think it's pretty ingenious from a business perspective.

mdriftmeyer

10-14-2008, 02:45 PM

That sounds like a given.

I imagine, someone will justify cannibalizing the Mac Pro from having DVI-I and say ``we needed the space.''

solipsism

10-14-2008, 02:46 PM

The addition of speakers and isight to me make sense. I need to be able to run a laptop closed yet still have access to better speakers and iSight. I think you're going to see some really clean looking setups with this monitor and Macbooks.

The speakers, iSight and Mic have made sense since they took the FW iSight camera off the market 50 years ago. I hope the quality of the speakers, mic, and, especially, the iSight camera, are top notch.

As for clean looking setups. I BT keyboard and mouse with your MB or MBP connected off to the side with a 24" ACD will look nice. Since this is an IPS display, does anyone have an idea when a larger display will come available?

mdriftmeyer

10-14-2008, 02:48 PM

Folks let's clear some things up.

This is a IPS panel which means it will not have the nasty colorshift of TN panels. When you see a 24" for $300 it's a TN panel folks. You wouldn't want to do graphics on it.

DisplayPort- I'm a big fan of DP. It's license is free..it supports VGA/DVI/HDMI through adapters and it also supports an auxilliary channel (which is likely how Apple is running the audio or perhaps the video as well. Because of DP's design you can make the LCD thinner because it doesn't need to have a bulky TMDS receiver in the monitore. They call this Direct Drive I believe.

http://www.displayport.org/

Futute DP technologies will include hooking up multiple monitors with one cable (and obviously multiple DP connectors) and the aux channel will get faster.

No you will NOT see an adapter that takes your DVI signal and easily convert it to DP. DP uses a Micro Packet system that is wholly different than TMDS signaling. I'm not saying you won't see an adapter but if you do it'll be expensive.

This monitor is typical Apple. It's affordable and flexible with top notch materials but it's expensive compared to the market in general. It's not expensive if you compare its peers (other IPS LED based monitors)

I'd love for someone to create a 3rd party hood for it. Glossy screens are not as bad as some people make them out to be. Pro graphics monitors have always needed hoods to reduce the effects of relections and the color of the walls and the graphic artists clothes (they usually wear black) from affecting the perception of color on screen.

The addition of speakers and isight to me make sense. I need to be able to run a laptop closed yet still have access to better speakers and iSight. I think you're going to see some really clean looking setups with this monitor and Macbooks.

There is no guarantee it's an H-IPS panel. It's most likely an S-PVA panel.

http://www.samsung.com/us/business/semiconductor/newsView.do?news_id=817.0

http://www.samsung.com/us/system/business/localsemi/news/2007/6/11/TFTLCD/images/24_lcd_led_111_wcg.jpg

Samsung 24-inch LED-Backlit LCD TV Main Specifications

Display size
24”

Resolution
WUXGA (1,920 x 1,200)

Liquid crystal mode
S-PVA

Viewing angle
180° left, right, top, and bottom

Brightness
250 nits

Color saturation
111%

Contrast
1,000:1

mdriftmeyer

10-14-2008, 02:50 PM

The speakers, iSight and Mic have made sense since they took the FW iSight camera off the market 50 years ago. I hope the quality of the speakers, mic, and, especially, the iSight camera, are top notch.

As for clean looking setups. I BT keyboard and mouse with your MB or MBP connected off to the side with a 24" ACD will look nice. Since this is an IPS display, does anyone have an idea when a larger display will come available?

Let's face it. Someone thought they could kill two birds with one stone on this design, by making the displays nearly identical to the iMac 24" in dimensions, thus the Camera and the speakers are the same.

I personally don't need speakers in my monitor, but for some damn reason the IT Industry thinks they know better and we must have them.

This wreaks of making the All-in-One Video/Audio IM chatting being so important to people.

That died for me ten years ago.

Zauner

10-14-2008, 02:50 PM

mdriftmeyer

10-14-2008, 02:51 PM

Zauner

10-14-2008, 02:55 PM

Having to buy these adaptors is a hidden toll fee and completely typical of Apple. I admire Steve but in this case he's f'n wrong. He was wrong with the Cube and he's wrong with this crap.

Right, I'm always willing to pay an Apple premium price - so far design made for outstanding and diverse function. These products seem to be one step too far. Especially as there was the chance to introduce cool, competitively priced notebooks. I'm really really disappointed.

drhamad

10-14-2008, 03:00 PM

I didn't know that about the difference between Apple's display and clearly don't know much between the technologies in displays, I was just wondering myself on the justification of the higher price tag for something, the display I just got was $350 Canadian Dollars and though nothing a like, I just couldn't understand most users, especially ones just buying it for their Macbook at the moment would want to pay that much? Which is why I was asking :).

I paid $1300 for my 23" Apple Cinema Display, to use with my MacBook. I could have gotten another brand (at the time) for like $800. It was worth every penny.

mdriftmeyer

10-14-2008, 03:01 PM

Folks let's clear some things up.

This is a IPS panel which means it will not have the nasty colorshift of TN panels. When you see a 24" for $300 it's a TN panel folks. You wouldn't want to do graphics on it.

DisplayPort- I'm a big fan of DP. It's license is free..it supports VGA/DVI/HDMI through adapters and it also supports an auxilliary channel (which is likely how Apple is running the audio or perhaps the video as well. Because of DP's design you can make the LCD thinner because it doesn't need to have a bulky TMDS receiver in the monitore. They call this Direct Drive I believe.

http://www.displayport.org/

Futute DP technologies will include hooking up multiple monitors with one cable (and obviously multiple DP connectors) and the aux channel will get faster.

No you will NOT see an adapter that takes your DVI signal and easily convert it to DP. DP uses a Micro Packet system that is wholly different than TMDS signaling. I'm not saying you won't see an adapter but if you do it'll be expensive.

This monitor is typical Apple. It's affordable and flexible with top notch materials but it's expensive compared to the market in general. It's not expensive if you compare its peers (other IPS LED based monitors)

I'd love for someone to create a 3rd party hood for it. Glossy screens are not as bad as some people make them out to be. Pro graphics monitors have always needed hoods to reduce the effects of relections and the color of the walls and the graphic artists clothes (they usually wear black) from affecting the perception of color on screen.

The addition of speakers and isight to me make sense. I need to be able to run a laptop closed yet still have access to better speakers and iSight. I think you're going to see some really clean looking setups with this monitor and Macbooks.

If I were in the UK there is no f'n way I'd buy this panel over the Hazro. Apple is banking on the Eco Friendly, LED backlit appeal to instant-on and naturally higher color gamut, but lower than this panel reality. They are targeting, as you said, a sweet spot in the market that is too expensive for the general consumer and doesn't offer enough for a large section of Professionals.

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/search_results.php?sortby=&groupid=&search=hazro

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=MO-002-HO
Hazro HZ24Wi 24" Widescreen LCD Monitor - Black Aluminium

Click image to enlarge
£369.99 ex VAT
£434.74 inc VAT

Hazro has introduced 2 new models that are all H-IPS standard.

http://www.hazro.co.uk/products/products.html

http://www.hazro.co.uk/images/stories/bbanners/b2/Banner017.jpg

mstone

10-14-2008, 03:02 PM

How do you know that? The information on DisplayPort that I see seems to suggest DVI compatibility is optional, and Apple's spec page doesn't mention DVI compatibility, it would seem like an odd omission. If I wanted one, I wouldn't order it until compatibility has been confirmed.

I think it is just a reference to the last sentence in the second to last paragraph in the news article of this thread.

solipsism

10-14-2008, 03:03 PM

Let's face it. Someone thought they could kill two birds with one stone on this design, by making the displays nearly identical to the iMac 24" in dimensions, thus the Camera and the speakers are the same.

I personally don't need speakers in my monitor, but for some damn reason the IT Industry thinks they know better and we must have them.

In this case, i like the AIO, but if you want to have your own speakers there are 3 USB ports in the monitor and the analog/optical audio out port on Macs.

Having to buy these adaptors is a hidden toll fee and completely typical of Apple. I admire Steve but in this case he's f'n wrong. He was wrong with the Cube and he's wrong with this crap.
Having these adapters that you'll never use already included with the product and thus factored into the price is hidden fee. I'd much rather hayve to buy the single adapter I need than to have a multitude of adapters in boxes (like I used to) sitting around. Moving to DisplayPort is the best option out there and one that will probably be adopted by most other PC vendors and most likely outlast all other digital video interface standards that have come before it.

mishkin

10-14-2008, 03:03 PM

hmurchison, thanks for the explanation.

Unfortunately, introduction of this display means that the price of the aluminium displays is not going to go down right now =( I had such high hopes it would happen ;)

oweneck

10-14-2008, 03:07 PM

I paid $1300 for my 23" Apple Cinema Display, to use with my MacBook. I could have gotten another brand (at the time) for like $800. It was worth every penny.

That's nice to know but I was thinking more with people opinions and comparisons by Today's standards and Today's recent update to the Apple Cinema Displays but I'm guessing we won't actually know until people start getting their hands on them. I was just seeing that it's starting to get the whole consumer "all in one" thing for a professional display and a professions price tag. What about users that want a display from Apple that's not for professional uses or for professionals that will want to buy one for an older machine or a PC that will have to buy adapters and don't really care about the whole speakers, iSight and mic options?

kim kap sol

10-14-2008, 03:07 PM

Having to buy these adaptors is a hidden toll fee and completely typical of Apple. I admire Steve but in this case he's f'n wrong. He was wrong with the Cube and he's wrong with this crap.

Couldn't agree more.

Apple has lost touch with the things that matter...USB *and* Firewire hub and perhaps IR + remote for the Mac Pro folks. iSight and speakers shouldn't be integrated in the monitor.

I really hope Apple has more displays coming soon, ones that are matte and not so overloaded with useless garbage.

A matte display with a more functional hub would sway me back towards an Apple display...add Front Row support and I'll buy the display right away.

jwervel16

10-14-2008, 03:09 PM

robb01

10-14-2008, 03:10 PM

Looks amazing, im in for one http://1person1million.com/img/158/p08k0929xkkl/icon_mrgreen.gif

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robb01

10-14-2008, 03:10 PM

Cant wait for more new apple stuff

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kim kap sol

10-14-2008, 03:12 PM

In this case, i like the AIO, but if you want to have your own speakers there are 3 USB ports in the monitor and the analog/optical audio out port on Macs.

Having these adapters that you'll never use already included with the product and thus factored into the price is hidden fee. I'd much rather hayve to buy the single adapter I need than to have a multitude of adapters in boxes (like I used to) sitting around. Moving to DisplayPort is the best option out there and one that will probably be adopted by most other PC vendors and most likely outlast all other digital video interface standards that have come before it.

What you're talking about is an ultra-niche market composed of about 8 people that would want to use their MacBooks with a display with a 2nd iSight and speakers because they absolutely want to use the screen and have the MacBook lid shut (which also means you'll be buying a keyboard and a mouse.)

It's a waste of resources, money, and does appeal to anyone (especially not since the world is heading for a recession or possibly a depression). Not even you.

Nobody in their right mind would or should buy this product.

This product is DOA. You can't use it with the Mac mini or Mac Pro yet, you can't (or can barely) use it with a PC. Most people buy a notebook computer because they aren't or don't want to be tied down to a desk. Ultra-niche. Ultra-dumb.

Apple needs to take the basic design of this display, remove all the retarded decisions such as built-in iSight and speakers, add options for a matte finish and make the hub more functional and market it to Mac mini, Mac Pro and PC users.

megatrick

10-14-2008, 03:16 PM

Have you ever seen an ACER monitor?? They suck beyond belief. Specs or not... they suck.

Odd decision indeed. Considering the display only works with mini Display Port, it even alienates current Mac users, unless they get a converter. Alittle disappointing on the specs too... a 14ms response time? Thats incredibly slow and outdated. Combine that with only a 1000:1 CR and this puppy is waaaaay over priced. You can get FAR better performing "monitors" for less than half the $899 price, with way better specs, and with more inputs than just USB (very perplexing). Case in point: my 24" Acer HD monitor with 3000:1 CR and 2ms response time that was $330.

Ouch Apple.

Zauner

10-14-2008, 03:33 PM

Have you ever seen an ACER monitor?? They suck beyond belief. Specs or not... they suck.

This display it way too over-featured and -priced for the "normal" user, which means just to surf the web...and not usable for a professional due to its glare surface. So who's left? May be all the investment bank bosses who got subsidised by our tax money.

Marvin

10-14-2008, 03:35 PM

I guess adding more ports for "the rest of us" would have been too expensive????

NO, we want to buy adapters

NO, we don't want to plug in our playstation 3 (HDMI)

And YES, we love glass-glare-surfaces at home. Fantastic.

Apple also says good-by to all professional users.

Good job, Mr. Jobs

Those adaptors are also £20 each but look at the dual-link DVI one: £69.

Old MBP owners could get a £10 or less DVI cable to hook up a high res display. For people who own a high res display and need to use projectors, this could set them back over £100.

You can't buy these connectors 3rd party because Mini-displayport isn't standard.

It's understandable that in bad economic times that they would try to make money on everything but there's a point beyond which you have to think that if you treat customers with more respect they will pay more instead of perhaps not buying anything for a while or going elsewhere.

solipsism

10-14-2008, 03:36 PM

Apple has lost touch with the things that matter...USB *and* Firewire hub and perhaps IR + remote for the Mac Pro folks. iSight and speakers shouldn't be integrated in the monitor.

If you really want to have a separate USB hub & a separate FW hub & a separate mic & a separate camera & a separate IR receiver, with all their associated cables cluttering up your desktop you are more than welcome and there are plenty of vendors willing to accommodate you, but it seems that the pragmatic market has chosen simplicity over clutter.

You have to wonder why Apple's desktop market is growing faster than their notebook market. We know it's not the outdated Mac Mini or the mammoth Mac Pro; it's the AIO iMac. And don't forget that people have been asking for an Apple "docking station' for many a year. This solution not only makes it simple by combining 3 cables into one (including the power source), but also opens up Apple to the business sector for those that take their laptop home but use desktop peripherals at work. This is probably more common than you think.

Then you have the Mac Mini and Mac Pro who could use these new features of this new ACD and the larger ones to come.

iReality85

10-14-2008, 03:37 PM

Folks let's clear some things up.

This is a IPS panel which means it will not have the nasty colorshift of TN panels. When you see a 24" for $300 it's a TN panel folks. You wouldn't want to do graphics on it.

I guess this and another post are a direct reference to my own. I know full well that Apple's Cinema Display is an IPS rather than some TN panel; you don't need to pontificate the differences. Maybe the display has a leg up because it is LED and not CCFL, but lets face it the majority of casual users (your "folks") wouldn't recognize the difference, especially between the newest generation of CCFLs and the early generation of panel-quality LEDs. And that does not excuse the fact that 14ms and 1000:1 CR (if this is a glossy panel, then why isn't the CR higher?) is quite sub-standard today. Maybe 2 years ago these specs would have been impressive, sorry.

You wouldn't want to do graphics on it.

That's great, but people use their laptops for more than just graphics. Maybe like movies and other multimedia? For a display that touts the word "Cinema," it sure hasn't lived up to it (yet).

My .02 cents

JeffDM

10-14-2008, 03:37 PM

There is no guarantee it's an H-IPS panel. It's most likely an S-PVA panel.

True, but either is still better than TN.

Let's face it. Someone thought they could kill two birds with one stone on this design, by making the displays nearly identical to the iMac 24" in dimensions, thus the Camera and the speakers are the same.

I personally don't need speakers in my monitor, but for some damn reason the IT Industry thinks they know better and we must have them.

This wreaks of making the All-in-One Video/Audio IM chatting being so important to people.

At least it doesn't change the look. A few features that a given user won't use really doesn't bother me. Having one model that covers everybody might cost the same as offering two models that reduces the economies of scale. The camera & mic on the notebook don't bother me either, even if I'll never use it. It's that issue about economies of scale that undercut an argument that it would be cheaper to offer a model without said feature.

kim kap sol

10-14-2008, 03:45 PM

If you really want to have a separate USB hub & a separate FW hub & a separate mic & a separate camera & a separate IR receiver, with all their associated cables cluttering up your desktop you are more than welcome and there are plenty of vendors willing to accommodate you, but it seems that the pragmatic market has chosen simplicity over clutter.

You have to wonder why Apple's desktop market is growing faster than their notebook market. We know it's not the outdated Mac Mini or the mammoth Mac Pro; it's the AIO iMac. And don't forget that people have been asking for an Apple "docking station' for many a year. This solution not only makes it simple by combining 3 cables into one (including the power source), but also opens up Apple to the business sector for those that take their laptop home but use desktop peripherals at work. This is probably more common than you think.

Don't put words into my mouth. I *don't* want any of those things. I want a monitor with nothing else but a few ports. Most people don't use the iSight and hardly anyone would enjoy the sound coming out of built-in speakers.

AIO is an ok concept to a certain extent. If the quality of the built-in peripherals don't match the quality of external peripherals then, I'm sorry but, they simply SHOULDN'T be in the product.

The idea of having to buying severely crippled peripherals when one already has higher quality ones is wasteful and idiotic. I have never budged on my claim that camera phones are a stupid waste. Nobody wants to see shitty quality pictures. Hell people with real cameras can't even take a clear picture of leaked Apple products...you think a camera phone is going to improve the world? Or a shitty built-in iSight in the LCD Display?

Even you can see that this product is totally niche. It's restricted to the Apple notebook base...then it's restricted to people that actually give a shit about plugging their notebook into a bigger display...and then it's restricted furthermore by people that have 899 dollars to blow on a pro-quality monitor with consumer-quality cameras and speakers in an economy that is faltering.

Who's going to buy this LCD Display? Certainly not the MacBook students that are always wishing for a cheaper Apple notebook. Certainly not the MacBook Air people that bought their slow, dumbed-down computer to have the best travel computer ever. A handful of MacBook Pro users *may* want this display.

Search your feelings, solipsism, you know it to be true.

iReality85

10-14-2008, 03:46 PM

Have you ever seen an ACER monitor?? They suck beyond belief. Specs or not... they suck.

Actually, I believe the question (properly) to you is, have you ever owned an Acer monitor? Much less a high-end one? No need replying if you haven't then. I own a 24" Acer P243WAid, and its quite a fine display, all truth be told.

oweneck

10-14-2008, 03:46 PM

In every price discussion of Apple displays, there will always be a group of guys who bring up their horrible TN panels they got at a closeout sale with their miserable color shifting and narrow viewing angles and cheap casing and trumped up contrast ratios (that only consider the bright end) and falsified response times and on and on. But hey, it's LCD, and it's the same size!

Apple will always be a little more expensive than its technical equivalent -- I'll pay extra for fantastic design and integration anyday. That said, your credibility goes out the window when you compare an IPS LED to that ugly Sceptre you got at Costco. Sorry, folks, it's not an acceptable comparison.

At any rate, the price has not changed. And of course Apple will come out with an adapter for use with current Macs. Anyone who believes otherwise is just trying to stir the pot.

P.S. Well said, hmurchison.

If you were referring to me, I am not quite sure at what point I said that I felt like I was falsified or even claimed that the screen of the same size that I had was even comparable or that either screen was either superior or inferior or even had the same features as each other, let alone the technology behind it. I was just simply asking and trying to find out the differences in the technology and whether it was worth the really big price differences to most average displays and especially if it is for the most average consumers or the non-professionals?

iReality85

10-14-2008, 03:54 PM

If you were referring to me, I am not quite sure at what point I said that I felt like I was falsified or even claimed that the screen of the same size that I had was even comparable or that either screen was either superior or inferior or even had the same features as each other, let alone the technology behind it. I was just simply asking and trying to find out the differences in the technology and whether it was worth the really big price differences to most average displays and especially if it is for the most average consumers or the non-professionals?

I would ask that you refer to my posts then. For "average consumers", IPS displays are not worth it, IMO. As for Apple's, the price jump between it and a high costing 24" CCFL LCD is nearly 4-5 Benjamins. Given the Cinema Display's [lack of] specs and ports, you might be tempted to look elsewhere.

solipsism

10-14-2008, 04:09 PM

Don't put words into my mouth. I *don't* want any of those things. I want a monitor with nothing else but a few ports. Most people don't use the iSight and hardly anyone would enjoy the sound coming out of built-in speakers.

No one is putting words in your mouth or rewording what you've written. I just don't see why you have an issue with this display, but not with any of Apple's notebooks or iMacs since they have cameras, speakers and mics built in them. If you don't like products that are all inclusive then you have many, many options to choose from many, many vendors. If you want a better speaker system you can get that too, if you want a display without a camera you can one of those too. Apple's been combining and consolidating components since day one, so I can't see how anyone would take issue with Apple for continuing to do what they've been doing all along.

MacRonin

10-14-2008, 04:13 PM

I think we might see a few more updates before this year is out...

Maybe another 'special event' that showcases both the Mac Pro & the Mac mini.

Mac Pro gets the latest/greatest Xeon CPUs, fresh video cards with DisplayPort (or Mini DisplayPort, damn Apple & their proprieties) & an obvious pairing with an all-new 30" LED Cinema Display (sporting an iSight, stereo speakers & a 3 port USB2 hub).

Mac mini steps up to a new chassis (think Brick manufacturing process) and new internals that match the new MacBooks; this diminutive powerhouse is paired with an all-new 20" LED Cinema Display (sporting an iSight, stereo speakers & a 3 port USB2 hub).

All this saves plenty of room at MacWorld for the introduction of the Mac tablet...

(other possible new Mac products; a 10" netbook, revamping the Mac mini into a headless home server, and of course the all-new AppleTV - available in either 42" or 60" models)

gastroboy

10-14-2008, 04:24 PM

Weeeeeee! Another display adaptor.

I'll add it my collection.

mdriftmeyer

10-14-2008, 04:28 PM

Apple's biggest change was to Eco Friendly Products. That's the biggest change for their entire manufacturing process.

mdriftmeyer

10-14-2008, 04:30 PM

TenoBell

10-14-2008, 04:33 PM

Don't put words into my mouth. I *don't* want any of those things. I want a monitor with nothing else but a few ports. Most people don't use the iSight and hardly anyone would enjoy the sound coming out of built-in speakers.

AIO is an ok concept to a certain extent. If the quality of the built-in peripherals don't match the quality of external peripherals then, I'm sorry but, they simply SHOULDN'T be in the product.

The idea of having to buying severely crippled peripherals when one already has higher quality ones is wasteful and idiotic. I have never budged on my claim that camera phones are a stupid waste. Nobody wants to see shitty quality pictures. Hell people with real cameras can't even take a clear picture of leaked Apple products...you think a camera phone is going to improve the world? Or a shitty built-in iSight in the LCD Display?

Search your feelings, solipsism, you know it to be true.

You are jumping to a lot of conclusions. No one has even used the monitor yet to find out how well it works. You've already weighed judgment.

When Apple first put FireWire, USB ports, and Airport cards into the iMac. Very few peripherals used either FireWire or USB. Hardly any internet routers that could send a wireless signal. Were they useless because of this.

You are actually saying speakers and web cam are useless? I don't understand that at all. Everyone needs speakers. While the current use of web cam can be debatable. Its more likely to be used the more people that have them.

Bregalad

10-14-2008, 04:34 PM

Dude, I hardly think they're making us pay for those added features. It's the same price point as the old 23" cinema display and it's LED and an inch bigger!

Dude, the 23" Cinema display is way over-priced.

Let's do some iMac math because the 24" iMac uses the same type of LCD panel the Cinema display does.

24" iMac = $1799
20" iMac = $1499

The 20" iMac has a lower cost CPU but let's be generous and say the entire $300 is for the display.
The 20" iMac has a TN display, the type you can get from Acer or HP for under $200.

That places the retail price of a 24" display using the same panel as the iMac at $499.

Compare that with the actual price of a 23" cinema display: $899.

So Apple is charging $400 for an aluminum case and two FireWire ports.

Still think the new display is a good deal?

mdriftmeyer

10-14-2008, 04:37 PM

True, but either is still better than TN.

At least it doesn't change the look. A few features that a given user won't use really doesn't bother me. Having one model that covers everybody might cost the same as offering two models that reduces the economies of scale. The camera & mic on the notebook don't bother me either, even if I'll never use it. It's that issue about economies of scale that undercut an argument that it would be cheaper to offer a model without said feature.

We don't disagree. It is an Economy of Scale solution. What it isn't is a Steven P. Jobs forward thinking game changer like he loves to do just so it's more exciting and not what it truly is--a wise approach to consolidating manufacturering costs.

What I would like to see is that they begin investing some of that $20 Billion into OLED panel technologies and options for a Matte Glass finish that is very viable, when one applies state of the art manufacturing.

All glass are composites with elastic polymers intermixed and they should be able to design molds that provide a matte finish relief as an option.

Foo2

10-14-2008, 04:56 PM

What you're talking about is an ultra-niche market composed of about 8 people that would want to use their MacBooks with a display with a 2nd iSight and speakers because they absolutely want to use the screen and have the MacBook lid shut (which also means you'll be buying a keyboard and a mouse.)

Then I guess the market consists of me plus 7 others. I'd use it with an integrated IBM TrackPoint keyboard, which is much more convenient than a keyboard and mouse configuration... and which I already own.

It's a waste of resources, money, and does [not] appeal to anyone (especially not since the world is heading for a recession or possibly a depression). Not even you.

Nobody in their right mind would or should buy this product.

Thanks for the compliment!

This product is DOA. You can't use it with the Mac mini or Mac Pro yet,

Only because the new display hasn't arrived yet!:lol:

Most people buy a notebook computer because they aren't or don't want to be tied down to a desk. Ultra-niche. Ultra-dumb.

Sometimes--like most days for a lot of people--you just have to work at a desk. Then what are you going to do when it's time to travel? Are going to do something SUPREMELY dumb like sync files and install missing apps at the last minute? Who has time for that??

Apple needs to take the basic design of this display, remove all the retarded decisions such as built-in iSight and speakers, add options for a matte finish and make the hub more functional and market it to Mac mini, Mac Pro and PC users.
The iSight, speakers and mic probably add $50 to the b.o.m. and $100 to the s.r.p. Not prohibitive even if you never need them. For my purposes, I'd use them all a lot... especially the speakers.

dr_lha

10-14-2008, 05:06 PM

At any rate, the price has not changed. And of course Apple will come out with an adapter for use with current Macs. Anyone who believes otherwise is just trying to stir the pot.

Its not "pot stirring" to say you can't run this monitor off a DVI/VGA output. Its facts based on the technical specs of DisplayPort (which another poster above gave in detail) and the very simple fact that if the monitor could work with older machines, why wouldn't Apple at least sell an adapter for $29 like they do for laptops?

the cool gut

10-14-2008, 05:08 PM

Lictor

10-14-2008, 05:18 PM

Everyone needs speakers. While the current use of web cam can be debatable. Its more likely to be used the more people that have them.

Who?
People who work in an office? Speaker use is usually forbidden, and rightly so. At work, what I need is not a speaker, it's a headset. And given the price tag of that monitor and its techology, the office is a prime target.
People who work at home and listen to music? Well, if I want to listen to music, I actually want to listen to music, not some distorbed and crushed noise. So, my computer is plugged to my home theater system and it's 5.0 speakers, and this has nothing to do with the pityful noise that comes out of built-in speakers. People who can't afford hifi just buy cheap external speakers - even $30 models are better than built-ins...
Gamers? Gamers don't do Mac anyway. And if they did, they would not buy a slowish IPS monitor anyway.

Really, I don't see who would have an actual use for that in the real world...

kim kap sol

10-14-2008, 05:19 PM

You are jumping to a lot of conclusions. No one has even used the monitor yet to find out how well it works. You've already weighed judgment.

When Apple first put FireWire, USB ports, and Airport cards into the iMac. Very few peripherals used either FireWire or USB. Hardly any internet routers that could send a wireless signal. Were they useless because of this.

You are actually saying speakers and web cam are useless? I don't understand that at all. Everyone needs speakers. While the current use of web cam can be debatable. Its more likely to be used the more people that have them.

Well everyone needs a keyboard and mouse...should those things be integrated into the display also?

kim kap sol

10-14-2008, 05:22 PM

I don't understand. Why can't they make a display that will work with both a laptop and a Desktop. Sure it might be neat to charge your laptop with your monitor, but what is wrong with plugging it in the wall again?

Apple is making huge design mistakes...and it doesn't care. When this display shows itself as unpopular as the Cube or the AppleTV, Apple will be scratching its head wondering where it went wrong and just scrap their entire display plans based on info gathered from a failed design.

A retarded 6 year-old can see the flaws with this product.

edit: the retarded 6 year-old is *not* me...I'm 7. :)

TenoBell

10-14-2008, 05:29 PM

Well everyone needs a keyboard and mouse...should those things be integrated into the display also?

That's ridiculous.

The isight and speakers are integrated without taking away from the usefulness of the monitor. Only adding to its usefulness.

solipsism

10-14-2008, 05:30 PM

Well everyone needs a keyboard and mouse...should those things be integrated into the display also?

1) They did that with the first Apple PC, and every laptop works that way.

2) Are you really going to compare a tactile input device for your hands to 'head-level' input and output devices?

TenoBell

10-14-2008, 05:34 PM

Apple is making huge design mistakes...and it doesn't care. When this display shows itself as unpopular as the Cube or the AppleTV, Apple will be scratching its head wondering where it went wrong and just scrap their entire display plans based on info gathered from a failed design.

A retarded 6 year-old can see the flaws with this product.

edit: the retarded 6 year-old is *not* me...I'm 7. :)

I cannot see many people exhibiting outrage over integrated camera and speakers the way you are.

Not even the 6 year old.

filburt

10-14-2008, 06:05 PM

I guess this and another post are a direct reference to my own. I know full well that Apple's Cinema Display is an IPS rather than some TN panel; you don't need to pontificate the differences. Maybe the display has a leg up because it is LED and not CCFL, but lets face it the majority of casual users (your "folks") wouldn't recognize the difference, especially between the newest generation of CCFLs and the early generation of panel-quality LEDs.
I, for one, am glad that Apple chose to ignore the mass consumer market and offer high quality panel for more professional market. Of course, the actual performance remains to be seen and scrutinized, such as whether it uses S-IPS vs. S-PVA and how much of the Adobe RGB colors pace it can display. I am a bit ticked off by the glossy screen, but I guess that is a trend I cannot escape (ugh).

solipsism

10-14-2008, 06:18 PM

Not even the 6 year old.

I dare him to find a 6 year old that wouldn't get a kick out of PhotoBooth.

kim kap sol

10-14-2008, 06:49 PM

Come on, you guys aren't serious and just disagreeing for the sake of disagreeing...cut it out.

If you want an AIO, you get the iMac...if you want a notebook, you get the MacBooks...if you want a modular computer, you get a Mac Pro.

If you start integrating things into an external display, you're totally going against the idea of having external peripherals. The modular approach allows one to choose the peripherals he or she needs.

I'm going to pretend this display was created exclusively for notebook users. How hard could it be to modify the production plant to create an iSight-less, speakerless display? That should surely shave 100-150 from the display price.

luke...

10-14-2008, 06:49 PM

love the "dock" aspect of this...
the glossy, errr. might not be a problem, certainly not as big a problem as the macbook pro being glossy.
maybe with an aftermarket monitor hood this will be perfect...
hopefully someone will make a nice looking one, and not be too expensive.

hmurchison

10-14-2008, 06:58 PM

I'm going to pretend this display was created exclusively for notebook users. How hard could it be to modify the production plant to create an iSight-less, speakerless display? That should surely shave 100-150 from the display price.

I don't think Apple is into the A la carte thing all that much. Yes they could have delivered a screen without the iSight, Magsafe, speakers and USB but then where's the value? Apple knows it's not going to compete on price so there has to be a bit more sizzle than what's being offered by the likes of LG, Samsung and NEC.

I'm a bit perplexed by the incredulity here. We all know Apple doesn't deliver a product unless they can hype a feature that their competitors don't have.

A 24" ACD and Macbook comprise a flexible system. Remove the extras from the ACD and you have just another monitor.

Graphics pros will be buying the likes of Lacie high end LCD, Eizo and NEC matte screens. Let's not fools ourselves into thinking that $900 buys state of the art LCD technology.

solipsism

10-14-2008, 07:02 PM

Come on, you guys aren't serious and just disagreeing for the sake of disagreeing...cut it out.
From my POV, it sounds like you are the one who is disagreeing with this new Apple product when you say things like integrated speakers and webcams are flaws that retarded 6 year old can see.

If you want an AIO, you get the iMac...
Exactly!

if you want a notebook, you get the MacBooks...
Agreed!

if you want a modular computer, you get a Mac Pro.
True, again!

If you start integrating things into an external display, you're totally going against the idea of having external peripherals. The modular approach allows one to choose the peripherals he or she needs.
As previously mentioned, this new ACD does not prevent you from getting other peripherals of your choice. Your argument is the same one people had about the iMac, despite it's rampant success. If you want to go fully modular, then this ACD is not for you. One size does not fit all!

I'm going to pretend this display was created exclusively for notebook users. How hard could it be to modify the production plant to create an iSight-less, speakerless display? That should surely shave 100-150 from the display price.
There is no reason to pretend. Jobs blatantly stated that the event was about notebooks. The lack of updates to any of their 3 desktop machines backs that up, and very obvious addition of a power pass-through cable with a MagSafe connector at the end clearly demonstrates what this ACD is designed for.

TenoBell

10-14-2008, 07:03 PM

Come on, you guys aren't serious and just disagreeing for the sake of disagreeing...cut it out.

If you start integrating things into an external display, you're totally going against the idea of having external peripherals. The modular approach allows one to choose the peripherals he or she needs.

You aren't forced to buy an Apple Display. Its a totally voluntary purchase.

As far as peripherals......

http://images.apple.com/imac/design/images/gallery/imac_5_20071026.jpg

backtomac

10-14-2008, 07:14 PM

Messiah

10-14-2008, 07:17 PM

I never thought I'd see the day but I'm done with apple. I hate glass screens and if this is the only option they are going to give us then FUCK EM! :mad:

Yep.

My thoughts entirely...

Ireland

10-14-2008, 07:21 PM

I don't get this product.

$900 is a lot of money for a monitor to use with my MBP. Actually I can't use this with my MBP, AFAIK.

Even if I could I would probably just get a nice 24" Sammy monitor for half the cost. Sure it wouldn't have LED backlighting but I think I would get by just fine for half the cost.

What am I missing?
Stereo speakers. Three in one connection. 3 USB port hub built-in. iSight and mic. Gorgeous hardware. If I had a public office space I'd by them simply because the way they look would create a good impression to potential clients. Also, half the cost for the Sammy, where? And LED backlit is a big deal btw.

I love the way everyone is so pissed we didn't get matte screens. I'm a glossy guy ;)

Messiah

10-14-2008, 07:23 PM

This product is called an LED Cinema Display.

It has a DisplayPort, and a MacBook charger.

If Apple introduce a 20" and a 30" further down the line, we already know they're going to sport the DisplayPort interface – but will they sport the MacBook charger as well?

The MacBook charger is going to be useless for future Mac Pros.

I wonder if Apple is going to release an entirely new range of Cinema Displays, without the MacBook charger, and call them something other than 'Cinema Displays'...?

TenoBell

10-14-2008, 07:31 PM

Who?
People who work in an office? Speaker use is usually forbidden, and rightly so. At work, what I need is not a speaker, it's a headset. And given the price tag of that monitor and its techology, the office is a prime target.
People who work at home and listen to music? Well, if I want to listen to music, I actually want to listen to music, not some distorbed and crushed noise. So, my computer is plugged to my home theater system and it's 5.0 speakers, and this has nothing to do with the pityful noise that comes out of built-in speakers. People who can't afford hifi just buy cheap external speakers - even $30 models are better than built-ins...
Gamers? Gamers don't do Mac anyway. And if they did, they would not buy a slowish IPS monitor anyway.

Really, I don't see who would have an actual use for that in the real world...

You confidently speak for a lot of people. We haven't even yet heard the sound quality of the speakers.

backtomac

10-14-2008, 07:38 PM

. Also, half the cost for the Sammy, where?

Here. (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824001275)

It doesn't have all the features that the new Apple display has but I probably wouldn't use them anyway. I would want a nice display at a reasonable price. The Sammy fits the bill nicely. YMMV.

JeffDM

10-14-2008, 08:09 PM

I think it is just a reference to the last sentence in the second to last paragraph in the news article of this thread.

The problem is that those adapters referenced connect a VGA/DVI/HDMI display to the new DisplayPort output, not connecting a DisplayPort monitor to a DVI output.

YipYipYipee

10-14-2008, 08:20 PM

During its special notebook Tuesday, Apple unveiled its new Cinema Display featuring a 24-inch LED-backlit widescreen display with built-in iSight video camera, mic, and speakers in a thin aluminum and glass enclosure.

For those of ranting and raving about this new product, I need to point out something obvious here.

If you go to the LED Cinema Display, it states in large letters "The first display made precisely for a MacBook"... Let me underscore a part of that sentence... "...made precisely for a MacBook"

Don't you think Apple will come out with other LED Cinema Displays made for a revised iMac, Mac mini and of course the Mac Pro in the near future?

If this first LED Cinema Display is specifically for the new MacBook and MacBook Pro, it's a great product! Just need to add a matte option to placate those who continue to argue about things like abortion, gun control, intelligent design, etc.

Methinks Jobs is just sitting back, arms crossed until we've all calmed down. ;)

-YipYipYipee

kim kap sol

10-14-2008, 08:33 PM

I don't get this product.

$900 is a lot of money for a monitor to use with my MBP. Actually I can't use this with my MBP, AFAIK.

Even if I could I would probably just get a nice 24" Sammy monitor for half the cost. Sure it wouldn't have LED backlighting but I think I would get by just fine for half the cost.

What am I missing?

You're not missing anything...this display is made for 0.0001% of all computers users (ie late-2008 MacBook Pro users that are unsure if they actually wanted a desktop PC and a few nutty PC users that happen to have a DisplayPort card + adaptor).

My guess is that Apple will hit 200 displays sold by Christmas *next year*.

solipsism

10-14-2008, 08:54 PM

You're not missing anything...this display is made for 0.0001% of all computers users (ie late-2008 MacBook Pro users that are unsure if they actually wanted a desktop PC and a few nutty PC users that happen to have a DisplayPort card + adaptor).

My guess is that Apple will hit 200 displays sold by Christmas *next year*.

If there are 1B computer users in the world then that is 100k potential buyers. That would be very low, but it find it funny that your hyperbolic statement meant it to seem even lower. As for your comments that only nutty people will use DisplayPort, I can't help buy wonder what future-forward video interface standard you expect the industry to adopt. Or is that you would like everyone to go back to VGA or some other archaic standard that lingers on PCs way too long.

If you read the info on DisplayPort you'll see why it's not only ideal for Apple, but for all vendors, and it will soon be adopted across the board. I bet you thought ExpressCard shouldn't have replaced PCMCIA, either.• http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DisplayPort
• http://www.displayport.org/open/Interoperability.htm

I understand that you aren't one to use a secondary display or like the idea of having components unified into one device (which would precludes you from liking notebooks in general), but to convince yourself that this DP ACD will only benefit 1/10,000th of computer users is completely irrational.

JeffDM

10-14-2008, 08:55 PM

Here. (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824001275)

It doesn't have all the features that the new Apple display has but I probably wouldn't use them anyway. I would want a nice display at a reasonable price. The Sammy fits the bill nicely. YMMV.

I am considering this one:

Here (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824001281&Tpk=T260HD)

If it had a VESA mount (that general style from Samsung doesn't), I would be more serious about it because some of my alternate uses could really use that.

ascii

10-14-2008, 09:14 PM

I like the integrated speakers - separate speakers clutter your desk and a lot of the brands look tacky. I wonder if they used any of the technology from that boombox they sold for a while and then discontinued.

pilottage

10-14-2008, 09:21 PM

Odd decision indeed. Considering the display only works with mini Display Port, it even alienates current Mac users, unless they get a converter. Alittle disappointing on the specs too... a 14ms response time? Thats incredibly slow and outdated. Combine that with only a 1000:1 CR and this puppy is waaaaay over priced. You can get FAR better performing "monitors" for less than half the $899 price, with way better specs, and with more inputs than just USB (very perplexing). Case in point: my 24" Acer HD monitor with 3000:1 CR and 2ms response time that was $330.

Ouch Apple.

but your Acer is not an LED monitor thus has a reduced color bandwith, and remember the CRatio of a 100$ CRT is infinite.... I personnaly bought a 4000€ JVC DT24-L3D it has no led but this grading monitor has HD-SDI in&out...

kim kap sol

10-14-2008, 10:10 PM

If there are 1B computer users in the world then that is 100k potential buyers. That would be very low, but it find it funny that your hyperbolic statement meant it to seem even lower. As for your comments that only nutty people will use DisplayPort, I can't help buy wonder what future-forward video interface standard you expect the industry to adopt. Or is that you would like everyone to go back to VGA or some other archaic standard that lingers on PCs way too long.

If you read the info on DisplayPort you'll see why it's not only ideal for Apple, but for all vendors, and it will soon be adopted across the board. I bet you thought ExpressCard shouldn't have replaced PCMCIA, either.• http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DisplayPort
• http://www.displayport.org/open/Interoperability.htm

I understand that you aren't one to use a secondary display or like the idea of having components unified into one device (which would precludes you from liking notebooks in general), but to convince yourself that this DP ACD will only benefit 1/10,000th of computer users is completely irrational.

I did not say that nutty people will use DisplayPort. English must not be your forte.

I do enjoy how you try to bend my words and make it look like I'm saying something completely different. Although it is blatantly obvious.

Judging by your last post, it seems as though you long to see parallel ports on a Mac and the ADB port be brought back from the dead. But you're not forward thinking. These ports are grossly inadequate in throughput for today's needs and can't power devices plugged into them.

ADB (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_Desktop_Bus)
Parallel port (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Printer_port)

I understand that you cherish these ports, but to convince yourself that these ports are important in 2008 is completely irrational.

edit: this is your first warning Solipsism. If you keep this up this game of twisting my words, I will twist your words also.

oweneck

10-14-2008, 10:19 PM

I am considering this one:

Here (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824001281&Tpk=T260HD)

If it had a VESA mount (that general style doesn't), I would be more serious about it because some of my alternate uses could really use that.

This is the one that I just bought this past week:-
http://www.futureshop.ca/catalog/proddetail.asp?logon=&langid=EN&sku_id=0665000FS10098388&catid=25616

It currently has $80 off of it if there are any Canadian users here interested. So far I'm pretty impressed, I know it's not LED backlit or up to the standards off the new Apple Cinema Displays but it fits me and my needs perfectly and for a decent price. It has speakers built in, which are awful and I wasn't really interested in them but in this case, to have it with the built in speakers was actually cheaper than the alternative Samsung 24 inch model that I saw because of the sale so it didn't matter to me. Why does Apple and everyone else here think that we, well, all of us Apple users are professional users only or if not, the kind of people that can afford to spend $1000 on a display? I guess I wouldn't be so annoyed if it wasn't for the fact that I had been waiting almost 5 years for a decent update or even any update really to the Apple Cinema Display line.

TenoBell

10-14-2008, 10:27 PM

http://images.apple.com/displays/images/features_hero20081014.jpg

Another way to look at it.

A keyboard, mouse, external HDD permanently plugged into the monitor.

Plug your notebook in and close the lid, you essentially get both advantages of notebook and desktop combo.

GregAlexander

10-14-2008, 11:07 PM

By the way, to all those complaining about the iSight & speakers...I'm thinking that Apple was making this more of a docking station (in clamshell mode) than a second display! I'm a bit confused about the speakers though, but maybe it was to clean up a desk area (no speakers with long wires)...I'm sure you will be able to add your own speakers. But for the desktop users and those of us with the current notebooks....?

I assume that the mini Display Port cable sends the audio (like HDMI) to the screen. And the iSight camera & microphone send their data back to the Mac via USB?

Sound right?

Another way to look at it.

A keyboard, mouse, external HDD permanently plugged into the monitor.

Plug your notebook in and close the lid, you essentially get both advantages of notebook and desktop combo.

Yes, printer too for home setups. Just plug in 3 cords and you can access everything.

In fact, turn your notebook 90', so the cords are at the "back", and then you've got a DVD at the "front".

Only problem.. external speakers. The monitor doesn't offer a headphone-out so you'd have to plug them directly into the MacBook I guess.

ronster

10-14-2008, 11:11 PM

The only one that comes close (IMO)...

Dell UltraSharp 2408WFP 24-inch Widescreen

http://accessories.dell.com/sna/products/Monitors/productdetail.aspx?c=ca&l=en&s=dhs&cs=cadhs1&sku=320-6272

It's a S-PVA panel with Display-port...but no LED backlight.

$699 CDN

This is the Monitor I'm buying when I get some extra cash...

ksec

10-14-2008, 11:31 PM

I cant wait for DisplayPort 2.0 so they can get rid of the USB Cabling as well.

ksec

10-14-2008, 11:42 PM

mdriftmeyer

10-15-2008, 12:41 AM

I think this is not too bad...compare to Dell 2408, a S-PVA Panel, which cost $619.
The ACD with Aluminium Body, H-IPS Panel, Glass and LED Black Light, cost $899.

I think it is pretty reasonable.

Oh, i forgot to mention it is much better looking

You're assuming. There are no documents stating it's panel, that I've seen. Include links.

Now HP has learned something: HP LP2475w 24" LCD Display

http://www.cdw.com/shop/products/specs.aspx?EDC=1559057&cm_sp=Product-_-Specs-_-Main+Tab

Component video, DisplayPort, DVI (2), HDMI

They aren't f***ing over their possible pool of customers by eliminating output choice.

$629.99

The Adjustable Stand is also much appreciated.

Lictor

10-15-2008, 01:11 AM

Stereo speakers.

Worthless. Integrated speakers are always bad enough that mono or stereo is not even an issue. Besides, the speakers are probably too close to each other for stereo being anything but a gimmick on the spec sheet.

3 USB port hub built-in.

That's pretty common, no innovation there.

iSight and mic.

Interesting for 5% of the users. The 95% pay for nothing rather than paying for a better LCD pannel or better ergonomics.

If I had a public office space I'd by them simply because the way they look would create a good impression to potential clients.

I know some clients that might consider that this just shows that you're wasting their money on fancy show-off stuff rather than on cutting his costs... Having crappy shameful offices has never prevented my companies from winning huge international clients - sadly.

I love the way everyone is so pissed we didn't get matte screens. I'm a glossy guy ;)

Then, you don't need an IPS pannel. You could have had the same monitor from Apple with exactly the same look and feature but for $500 with a TN pannel. How do you feel paying extras for a feature that you can't use because of the glossy screen.

webraider

10-15-2008, 01:16 AM

This is the first Blu-Ray Capable External Monitor Apple has shipped. I think this not only means that we'll see an update to the video cards of the MacPros but that we'll also see a Blu-Ray option soon.

Bergermeister

10-15-2008, 01:37 AM

Something else is coming, soon.

First, they can't leave all of us who bought new notebooks this spring and have MacPros sitting at work with four-year old monitors out in the cold.

A different monitor is coming that will have a different set of cables.

-----

That said, I like the idea of this monitor. If I were at my old job, I would buy it in a heartbeat. College students will enjoy it, too.

ronster

10-15-2008, 02:34 AM

You're assuming. There are no documents stating it's panel, that I've seen. Include links.

Now HP has learned something: HP LP2475w 24" LCD Display

http://www.cdw.com/shop/products/specs.aspx?EDC=1559057&cm_sp=Product-_-Specs-_-Main+Tab

Component video, DisplayPort, DVI (2), HDMI

They aren't f***ing over their possible pool of customers by eliminating output choice.

$629.99

The Adjustable Stand is also much appreciated.

I'll add the Dell comes with similar connections...

HDMI, Display Port, DVI-D with HDCP and HDMI 2.1 Audio Out.

Gamut

10-15-2008, 02:51 AM

Hmm.... This is a strange one. Glossy screen and integrated cables for the new macbook/macbook pro certainnly doesnt indicate a Pro slant. Also has anyone noticed NO HDCP!! I mean come on! For this much money people were crying out for this in the next update. And yes, the extra cables are useless for anyone wanting to use this with a cube/pro.

I wonder if Apple is going to release an entirely new range of Cinema Displays, without the MacBook charger, and call them something other than 'Cinema Displays'...?

Given the 'shortfalls' this is possibility. Or maybe i'm being too optimistic?

It may just be that Apple will introduce displays without the magsafe for the Pro and just update the cube to include a display port and leave the older macbook's/macbook pro's out in the cold with the option to but the older (circa 04!) cinema displays. I was waiting for a display update with HDCP and a slightly lower price point for my macbook pro.

Disappointing.

philby

10-15-2008, 05:19 AM

Folks let's clear some things up.
This is a IPS panel which means it will not have the nasty colorshift of TN panels. When you see a 24" for $300 it's a TN panel folks.

Let's just hope that whatever panel is inside is better than what is in the 24" iMac: truer colours, and the ability to reduce brightness to humane levels. Although I personally doubt it - Apple have been so successful in the consumer market and are so pleased with themselves with the MacBook, iMacs, iPods and iPhones that frankly I'm surprised they still have a Mac Pro.

A different monitor is coming that will have a different set of cables.

Ha! I would not bet $1 on that. Apple really likes milking their customers for all they're worth -- which I don't mind, as long as the stuff they are offering is above par.

Which, with the new MacBook Pro, is clearly not the case.

On a different note - when I watched the video, I never had any glorious joyful "Steve-o" moment, it all felt rather subdued and mechanical. They probably know they are gambling somewhat with their reputation as concerns professional users. The look on the 3 faces in the Q&A was downright gloomy.

mcarling

10-15-2008, 06:36 AM

docyoast

10-15-2008, 06:52 AM

solipsism

10-15-2008, 07:20 AM

Personally I think it's a very wise choice to have 1 type of digital out instead of 3 (DVI, Mini DVI, Micro DVI); however, was it a good decision to switch to Displayport instead of HDMI? Thoughts please.

The respective Wikipedia pages for DP and HDMI are pretty thorough but there are plenty of articles that compare the two.• http://www.edn.com/article/CA6594089.html

The only real crux with going with DP is Apple's use of what appears to be their proprietary Mini-DisplayPort. I know know if they can patent a new connector on an open standard interface, but the reasoning on Apple's part to make a smaller connector does seem sound on Apple's part if it prevents them from having to create multiple DP adapters in the future, like they did with DVI, Mini-DVI, and Micro-DVI. Hopefully others will be using this same svelte DP port, unlike Apple's MagSafe with they seem hell bent on preventing others from using

JeffDM

10-15-2008, 07:29 AM

1920x1200 is a satisfactory resolution for the 17" MacBook Pro. It is not satisfactory for a 24" display. With about the same pixel density as the 17" MacBook Pro, a 24" monitor would boast 2560x1600 resolution. I would buy one for $1500.

Are such panels even available? Or are you just asking for unicorns? Just because it's possible doesn't mean it's being made or it even has a viable market.

Higher density is fine on notebooks, their portability requires it, and their use generally means the screens are closer to the user. Desktop displays don't need to be such a high pitch, they don't need to be portable and the user can sit a bit farther away.

jazzyalex

10-15-2008, 09:17 AM

900 bucks for a 24" S-IPS with LED backlight is not expensive at all. If it would not be glossy, I would be very tempted (but with this mirror and without FW-hub they can keep it).

ha-ha, 24'' S-IPS LED monitor, even glossy, would be a great choice for 900 USD
BUT - from Apple site -

24-inch (viewable) LED-backlit thin film transistor (TFT) active-matrix liquid crystal display

TFT LED is much better by color space than simple TFT display, yet, I expect, previous S-IPC Cinema give better color accuracy anyway

It looks like Apple has made a sharp turn to Consumers. Right now I use Ilyama 22'' TFT monitor (good quality for its money) and will upgrade to 23/24 NEC S-IPS most likely. New Cinema is totally out of choice.

mcarling

10-15-2008, 09:26 AM

Personally I think it's a very wise choice to have 1 type of digital out instead of 3 (DVI, Mini DVI, Micro DVI); however, was it a good decision to switch to Displayport instead of HDMI? Thoughts please.
DisplayPort is designed for computers. HDMI is designed for televisions. DisplayPort has two main advantages over HDMI:
- DisplayPort is royalty free, and
- DisplayPort supports much higher resolutions.

Are such panels even available? Or are you just asking for unicorns? Just because it's possible doesn't mean it's being made or it even has a viable market.
Neither. The panel manufacturers could use exactly the same processes they now use to produce 17" 1920x1200 panels to make 2560x1600 panels of about 24" with exactly the same pixel density. They would just be cutting the sheets into fewer but larger panels. Apple is a big enough player to get them if they wanted them. Asking for a pixel density not already in production would be nearer to asking for unicorns.

Higher density is fine on notebooks, their portability requires it, and their use generally means the screens are closer to the user. Desktop displays don't need to be such a high pitch, they don't need to be portable and the user can sit a bit farther away.
You just made an argument about screen size, not about pixel density. I certainly would not want a 24" laptop. That doesn't change the fact that 100ppi on the desktop is blurry. Higher pixel densities are better up to the point which humans can no longer discern the difference -- which is around 300ppi. I would love to have a 34" 3840x2400 ACD, except that there isn't yet any way to drive it. Eventually, DisplayPort will support higher bitrates, but not now.

TenoBell

10-15-2008, 01:27 PM

The Truth About DisplayPort vs. HDMI (http://direct2dell.com/one2one/archive/2008/02/19/46464.aspx)

HDMI is intended as an external consumer electronics connection for HDTVs. It is rapidly replacing S-Video and component video as the primary connection to TV sets. HDMI appears on consumer monitors so that they can be connected to Blu-ray Disc players, game consoles, and other consumer electronics. This allows the monitor to be used as an entertainment display. HDMI is also found on PCs to enable connectivity to HDTVs.

In contrast, DisplayPort is the digital interface for connecting flat-panel displays to computer systems. It will eventually replace VGA, DVI, and LVDS in IT equipment such as home and office PCs, projectors, monitors, and data center consoles. HDMI is not designed to meet these internal and external IT connectivity requirements...it is an external consumer electronics interface.

HDMI is based on legacy CRT raster-scan architecture. DisplayPort is designed for modern flat-panel displays and PC chipsets. DisplayPort has a micro-packet architecture with low voltage signaling that more easily enables networked displays. In the future, DisplayPort will also allow daisy chaining displays at full graphics performance, including 3D. and content protection. Today's USB-based daisy-chaining solutions do not support high performance 3D graphics or protected content.

HDMI has rules for how to implement and use the technology. Business and enterprise customers may not want to implement all of the consumer electronics features that are required in HDMI products. In contrast, DisplayPort is the display equivalent of Ethernet....anyone can implement it in any type of application. A VESA compliance program ensures interoperability for products featuring the "DisplayPort Certified" logo.

hmurchison

10-15-2008, 01:30 PM

We're going to want DisplayPort.

HDMI just isn't tailored for computing applications.

mightywong

10-15-2008, 01:44 PM

Not only does it only work with the new laptops (for now) but it has built-in iSight and speakers WHICH THE FUCKING LAPTOPS ALREADY HAVE. Apple has lost grasp on reality. Such waste, such overloading to artificially prop up the price.

Everyone should boycott this product. Why pay for a second iSight and a second set of speakers? Only people with money to throw will buy this product. With the world going into recession, people would be mad to buy such a product.

Apple said they're switching ALL machines to DisplayPort. So wait a bit.

Also, I can imagine having a built in iSight camera and microphone will be very handy when the Mac Pros move to the DisplayPort tech. The current Cinemas require a third-party video chat solution if you're running a Mac Pro.

JeffDM

10-15-2008, 02:37 PM

The Truth About DisplayPort vs. HDMI (http://direct2dell.com/one2one/archive/2008/02/19/46464.aspx)

...

HDMI has rules for how to implement and use the technology. Business and enterprise customers may not want to implement all of the consumer electronics features that are required in HDMI products.

Very interesting, though I don't know about this part, I am pretty sure this is not true with respect to having to implement CEC. The CEC portion of the standard is ignored for the most part. I don't think it is required in order to make a compliant HDMI display.

Boondox

10-15-2008, 03:14 PM

JeffDM

10-15-2008, 03:34 PM

Despite kim kap's rantings, this is a good option for someone like myself who is strongly considering going with a notebook only. When I'm not out and about, I do like having a larger screen available, such as when I'm gaming or working on a project. I also like the ability to sit on the couch and take it with me.

A product like this allows you to leverage your laptop with a desktop experience when you wish to have it. Just plug it in when you are at home/in office. Leverage is a powerful force.

For notebook users, I don't think having a second display at your primary desk is such a rarity. As you say, you keep the portability without sacrificing the screen real estate where you might use it most, and disconnecting that is just three little connectors awy, you don't even have to recoil up the power adapter brick, that stayed in your tote bag.

Not everybody does it this way, but I think it's enough to merit a product like this LED Cinema Display. Obviously, something like the camera, speakers and mic aren't as useful to this kind of person, but they do have the mini and Mac Pro buyers to consider too.

It's too bad the monitor isn't backward compatible to DVI, I might have considered it for my 1 year old MBP.

TenoBell

10-15-2008, 04:30 PM

A product like this allows you to leverage your laptop with a desktop experience when you wish to have it. Just plug it in when you are at home/in office. Leverage is a powerful force.

@TenoBell, thanks for the pictures.

I agree I think this product would work well for a lot of people. The ability to plug keyboard/mouse, printer, external HDD into the monitor. The freedom to plug and unplug your laptop. You have the best of both.

Hermitcrab

10-15-2008, 06:31 PM

Not only does it only work with the new laptops (for now) but it has built-in iSight and speakers WHICH THE FUCKING LAPTOPS ALREADY HAVE. Apple has lost grasp on reality. Such waste, such overloading to artificially prop up the price.

Everyone should boycott this product. Why pay for a second iSight and a second set of speakers? Only people with money to throw will buy this product. With the world going into recession, people would be mad to buy such a product.

Hey there, mister. Perhaps a gentle question or opinion without screaming obscenities. Every single day, I work at a standing desk with a 24" Cinema Display driven by my Macbook Pro that sits - closed - on a shelf below. I have access to the speakers and camera when I'm on the move, or at home, but during my workday, I don't.

So, I've been complaining with the same level of energy as you are now, about the fact that my $800 Cinema Display DIDN't Include a camera and speakers.

Apple gets my work environment. Maybe screaming obscenities isn't really helping your case.

ronster

10-16-2008, 02:09 AM

ha-ha, 24'' S-IPS LED monitor, even glossy, would be a great choice for 900 USD
BUT - from Apple site -

24-inch (viewable) LED-backlit thin film transistor (TFT) active-matrix liquid crystal display

TFT LED is much better by color space than simple TFT display, yet, I expect, previous S-IPC Cinema give better color accuracy anyway

It looks like Apple has made a sharp turn to Consumers. Right now I use Ilyama 22'' TFT monitor (good quality for its money) and will upgrade to 23/24 NEC S-IPS most likely. New Cinema is totally out of choice.

Just because the Apple Site says TFT doesn't mean it's not a IPS...actually IPS is one of many types of TFT-based technologies...a lot of monitor companies wont say what type of TFT, just that they are using TFT....

And the original ACDs did use IPS. So why wouldn't the new LED CD?

It's still to rich for my blood for now, that's why I am looking at the 24" Dell.

Haggar

10-16-2008, 03:32 AM

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mcarling

10-16-2008, 04:13 AM

How come nobody's even curious about the 30" ACD? What's happening with that one is what I want to know.

I expect a 30" ACD no later than MWSF.

solipsism

10-16-2008, 04:30 AM

I expect a 30" ACD no later than MWSF.

I have no idea about the difficulties of this type of technology, or if these new displays are better than the previous ones, but since these are not shipping until an unspecified date in November (note: we still don't have the iPhone notifcation service that was promised for September), I think that the most logical bet is that the new 30"-32" BL-LED ACDs won't be announced until MWSF, and possibly not ship right away, either.

I'd love to read in-depth info on these displays and if the 30" BL-LED ACDs are even feasible within the next 6 months, ± a couple months. Will this be released alongside a Nehelam Mac Pro, and completely revamped and 'greener' Mac Mini, and an AppleTV using NVIDIA to push 1080p, even though iTS doesn't support it?

PS: How are people feeling about the glass display that clearly acts as a mirror when off. Is it true that the increased brightness will remove any potential glare, thus making this a viable machine for photo/video professionals?

backtomac

10-16-2008, 07:48 AM

A product like this allows you to leverage your laptop with a desktop experience when you wish to have it. Just plug it in when you are at home/in office. Leverage is a powerful force.
.

You do realize this is possible now without the new Apple display? For half as much.

It makes some sense if you have a MB because with just 2 usb ports on the MB, getting 3 more with the monitor will be handy.

But honestly, if you need a 24" monitor for your laptop this new ACD is expensive with additional features that are arguably of limited usefulness. That's what KKS is saying and I think he's right.

JeffDM

10-16-2008, 08:43 AM

You do realize this is possible now without the new Apple display? For half as much.

In some ways, not quite that bad, others, it's worse. A display with a similar quality matrix is more like 2/3rds Apple's price. Just any old 24" monitor with a TN panel can supposedly be bought for just above 1/3rd the price.

It makes some sense if you have a MB because with just 2 usb ports on the MB, getting 3 more with the monitor will be handy.

A lot of monitors have built-in hubs.

But honestly, if you need a 24" monitor for your laptop this new ACD is expensive with additional features that are arguably of limited usefulness. That's what KKS is saying and I think he's right.

These complaints about the price of Apple's monitors aren't new. Before, I do recall complaints that a Firewire hub is of limited usefulness, now it's a camera and speakers. I do think that Magsafe line is a nifty add-on though it's cheaper to buy someone else's monitor and buy a separate power adapter for use at the desk.

Boondox

10-16-2008, 04:37 PM

You do realize this is possible now without the new Apple display? For half as much.

It makes some sense if you have a MB because with just 2 usb ports on the MB, getting 3 more with the monitor will be handy.

But honestly, if you need a 24" monitor for your laptop this new ACD is expensive with additional features that are arguably of limited usefulness. That's what KKS is saying and I think he's right.

What would make you think that I do not realize that it's possible?

What I was talking about was KKS is insisting that there's no point for a monitor like this, and I was pointing out that there is, even if KKS doesn't want to avail himself of it.

Limited usefulness is a matter of opinion.

If Apple doesn't compete solely upon price in it's computers, what what lead you to assume that it would in its displays? You can get a cheaper monitor elsewhere the same way you can get a cheaper laptop elsewhere. Cheaper upfront cost isn't what the company does. This is an integrated solution that appeals to some people, just not yourself. For you, you can buy a different display if this particular one isn't of interest to you.

TenoBell

10-16-2008, 04:45 PM

solipsism

10-16-2008, 04:50 PM

Can you provide a link to these other 24" LED monitor that are cheaper...

...and that is LED backlit.

backtomac

10-16-2008, 05:52 PM

The 3 USB ports, isight, and speakers essentially allow you to use your notebook as a desktop.

Can you provide a link to these other 24" LED monitor that are cheaper, with webcams, speakers, and allow the plugging of desktop peripherals. While easily and conveniently plug/unplug your notebook?

If you laptop has adequate USB and FW ports then you don't need them included on the monitor.

The integrated webcam is arguably a useful feature, but then again there is one in the MB so if you need to use it you can lift the lid and use the one in the MB.

The LED-BL is nice. But the monitor is still $900. We'll see how many pull the trigger when there are nice 24" monitors for half the price.

backtomac

10-16-2008, 05:58 PM

What would make you think that I do not realize that it's possible?
.

The following quote:
Originally Posted by Boondox
A product like this allows you to leverage your laptop with a desktop experience when you wish to have it. Just plug it in when you are at home/in office. Leverage is a powerful force.

It wasn't obvious to me that you realized that was possible now with any VGA monitor and an adaptor.

Many users do this now without the new ACD. They already are aware of this 'leverage'.

And in your opinion what do these new monitors do that current monitors don't? Why should I lay $900 down for one?

TenoBell

10-16-2008, 06:03 PM

If you laptop has adequate USB and FW ports then you don't need them included on the monitor.

This would force you to plug the monitor, power, keyboard/mouse, printer, external HDD into the notebook. Its very inconvenient to have to plug and unplug all of those items.

With this ACD you only have to plug and unplug the notebook's connection to the monitor. The other peripherals can stay permanently plugged into the monitor.

The integrated webcam is arguably a useful feature, but then again there is one in the MB so if you need to use it you can lift the lid and use the one in the MB.

With a 24" 1920x1200 monitor their is no need to keep the lid open.

The LED-BL is nice. But the monitor is still $900. We'll see how many pull the trigger when there are nice 24" monitors for half the price.

Its arguable to debate the number of people who want to plug a notebook into a bigger monitor. I can see this option working well for a lot of people. If people fully understood this as a viable option and its advantages. You get the benefit of notebook portability and a desktop environment without having to buy both.

$900 is a lot cheaper than a full desktop Mac.

solipsism

10-16-2008, 06:17 PM

edit: pipped by TenoBell.

PS: I expect to see a new Mac Mini or Mac Mini-like device at MWSF, that will also use the MagSafe connector so it can attached to these new ACDs with this simple, clean cabling in mind.

Boondox

10-16-2008, 06:23 PM

The following quote:
Originally Posted by Boondox
A product like this allows you to leverage your laptop with a desktop experience when you wish to have it. Just plug it in when you are at home/in office. Leverage is a powerful force.

It wasn't obvious to me that you realized that was possible now with any VGA monitor and an adaptor.

Many users do this now without the new ACD. They already are aware of this 'leverage'.

And in your opinion what do these new monitors do that current monitors don't? Why should I lay $900 down for one?

Explain it to the one who is hysterically ranting that hardly anyone uses a laptop with a separate monitor. Clearly that isn't me. I don't see where I said that this leverage is a newly discovered use for a monitor now that Apple has introduces a Cinema Display primarily geared to laptops.

I'm not justifying your purchase of the product, all I was defending was the products existence and that some people, including myself might look into purchasing one.

From the looks of things, if you are in the market for a Display of that size that gives you that integration and clean asthetic. If you want something of this size for lowest cost, you'll pick something else. It's relatively simple and entirely rational.

The picture TenoBell posted that shows the laptop connected to this ACD highly appeals to me, along with the note that someone posted that says this allows you to use your laptop as a desktop. If you start off with the assumption that I'm not an idiot, then of course I know this is possible with displays from other companies as well. However, the way this all fits together appeals to me personally and I'd consider the product. That's all I'm advocating here, consideration.

TenoBell

10-16-2008, 06:43 PM

PS: I expect to see a new Mac Mini or Mac Mini-like device at MWSF, that will also use the MagSafe connector so it can attached to these new ACDs with this simple, clean cabling in mind.

Sounds like a great idea.

The picture TenoBell posted that shows the laptop connected to this ACD highly appeals to me, along with the note that someone posted that says this allows you to use your laptop as a desktop. If you start off with the assumption that I'm not an idiot, then of course I know this is possible with displays from other companies as well. However, the way this all fits together appeals to me personally and I'd consider the product. That's all I'm advocating here, consideration.

Sounds reasonable to me.

toxotes

10-16-2008, 06:44 PM

This would force you to plug the monitor, power, keyboard/mouse, printer, external HDD into the notebook. Its very inconvenient to have to plug and unplug all of those items.

With this ACD you only have to plug and unplug the notebook's connection to the monitor. The other peripherals can stay permanently plugged into the monitor.

...

Not only does it allow you to plug peripherals permanently into the monitor, it also allows you to put the notebook farther away from those peripherals because it no longer needs to be in close proximity to them. USB ports on the monitor allow you to move the notebook off the desk entirely, freeing up desk space and reducing clutter even more. This is something I do right now with my current Cinema Display.

Also to those doing the price/feature comparison don't forget that Cinema Displays are simply gorgeous from an industrial engineering standpoint. I use my computer a lot and in fact I look at my monitor longer each day than any other single thing, so it doesn't seem like a few hundred dollars extra is at all out of line if it gives me a work of art to look at, as opposed to the cheap plastic, cluttery buttons, and blinking lights that seem to adorn a lot of the cheaper displays.

MacRonin

10-16-2008, 10:41 PM

I think this is a pretty cool idea, and the iSight/mic/speakers add to the value of the display, Apple Tax aside...

I can imagine a 24" LED Cinema Display paired with a fully-loaded 15" MacBook Pro, a decent USB2 keyboard/mouse combo, a set of the 5.1 THX speakers by Logitech and one of these little beauties holding the laptop; all making for the beginning of one fine Command Center!

http://a248.e.akamai.net/7/248/2041/1469/as-images.apple.com/is/image/AppleInc/TQ872?

Give me an AppleTV built into a 42" plasma display, a new Mac mini acting as a home server, a 1TB Time Capsule, a sweet little 10" Apple Touch tablet & an iPhone nano; my Command Center will be complete, gear-wise that is...

jbh0001

10-19-2008, 06:20 PM

Except for the iSight camera and mic, this would be nice hooked up to an AppleTV, especially if that AppleTV were upgraded to 1080p and let me plug in a ATSC USB tuner (or had an ATSC tuner built in).

Ireland

10-19-2008, 08:02 PM

Worthless. Integrated speakers are always bad enough that mono or stereo is not even an issue. Besides, the speakers are probably too close to each other for stereo being anything but a gimmick on the spec sheet.

Nit pick.

That's pretty common, no innovation there.

Nit pick.

Interesting for 5% of the users. The 95% pay for nothing rather than paying for a better LCD pannel or better ergonomics.

Nit pick.

I know some clients that might consider that this just shows that you're wasting their money on fancy show-off stuff rather than on cutting his costs... Having crappy shameful offices has never prevented my companies from winning huge international clients - sadly.

Nit pick.

Then, you don't need an IPS pannel. You could have had the same monitor from Apple with exactly the same look and feature but for $500 with a TN pannel. How do you feel paying extras for a feature that you can't use because of the glossy screen.

Nit pick :D

Neeper

10-20-2008, 12:41 AM

Did any of you guys think of, that this display may actually be, exactly what Apple says it is, a display ment for the MacBook's, not a display for the Pro market?
If it were, why wouldn't they mention Mac Pro?

Rumor:

Apple 32” Cinema Pro UHD OLED display

A lot of people were disappointed when Apple introduced their new 24” Cinema Display Tuesday 14/10/08.
But as Apple says, it is made specifically for the new MacBook’s so maybe we haven’t seen it all yet.

These spy photos showed up on the internet today, and could very likely be the new Apple Cinema Pro display.

http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/1265/appleoled00smallgl1.jpg

http://img523.imageshack.us/img523/2698/appleoled01smallxm1.jpg

http://img523.imageshack.us/img523/9673/appleoled02smallxp7.jpg

http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/2599/appleoled03smallwt2.jpg

Rumor is, that it’s a 32” OLED (Organic Light Emitting Diode) display! OLED has far superior picture quality over LCD, but so far there has been problems with the life span, as the blue tends to die out too fast.

Specs should be:

Contrast ratio: 8.000.000 : 1
Resolution: 3840 x 2160 UHD
Display colors: 1 billion
Response time: 0,2 ms
Viewing angle: 180 degree H&V
Brightness: 450 cd/m

So far the largest commercially introduced OLED is the Sony XEL-1, 11” OLED TV, which is setting new standards for stunningly beautiful video reproduction.

Marvin

10-20-2008, 03:02 AM

These spy photos showed up on the internet today, and could very likely be the new Apple Cinema Pro display.

The spy was using a virtual camera presumably. :lol:

I don't like the way the base curves up at the edges. The display doesn't look adjustable either and the fins don't look very good. Apple tend to go for thin and they look quite bulky.

If they were OLED, they wouldn't need to be very bulky at all.

Fairly decent mockup regarding lighting but the metallic shader needs more specular and perhaps a bit more noise. You can maybe take an image of one of the metal Macs from Apple's site and take a slice of the enclosure, make it greyscale, repeatable in PS and use it for a texture or very fine bump map.

I do think that the current Cinema Display is meant for the Macbook and MBP. I think it's a pretty stupid idea to do that because of the price though. Perhaps they will just leave the original lineup as it is.

Neeper

10-20-2008, 10:33 AM

The spy was using a virtual camera presumably. :lol:

I don't like the way the base curves up at the edges. The display doesn't look adjustable either and the fins don't look very good. Apple tend to go for thin and they look quite bulky.

If they were OLED, they wouldn't need to be very bulky at all.

Fairly decent mockup regarding lighting but the metallic shader needs more specular and perhaps a bit more noise. You can maybe take an image of one of the metal Macs from Apple's site and take a slice of the enclosure, make it greyscale, repeatable in PS and use it for a texture or very fine bump map.

I do think that the current Cinema Display is meant for the Macbook and MBP. I think it's a pretty stupid idea to do that because of the price though. Perhaps they will just leave the original lineup as it is.

First of all, on the frontpage of apple.com, the link for the new Cinema displays says:
Made precisely for the new MacBooks - and on the on the LED Cinema page it says:
The first display made Made precisely for a MacBook.

Can you explain to me, why you doesn't think this is made precisely for the MacBooks???

I of course have to disagree with you regarding the design... It is not anymore "bulky" than the Mac Pro which it is made for. The thing is, that it's a huge 32" display, the screen is 7 mm thin, and the "box with the finns" is only 7 cm deep. If you were to see this in comparison with the current 30"Cinema display, I don't think you would say that this is more bulky, just more Pro, for Pro users. And it is adjustable! But height adjustable, you cannot tilt it, as it isn't an issue with OLED. The box with the finns, is needed even if it was OLED, as you still need some electronics to run the screen... I think it would be stupid to make it too thin, as it wouldn't match the Mac Pro.

And I have a Mac Pro here at home, the alu looks exactly like these renderings, it's just Apples renderings on their website that has more specular than in real life... ;)

Neeper

10-20-2008, 11:59 AM

http://img385.imageshack.us/img385/8260/apple30inchzg2.jpg

http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/1265/appleoled00smallgl1.jpg

JeffDM

10-20-2008, 12:12 PM

I think it's a really nice design, but I don't think it will be commercially practical just yet because of OLED tech and size. Mabye if B&O made computer monitors or TVs, I think it might be profitable at US$10,000. If we're lucky and manufacturing is getting better yield, maybe $5000.

I don't expect Apple to make anything like that. Apple tends to take a theme and stick with that theme for several years, I expect Apple to make the rest of their monitors look pretty similar to the one they just announced.

luke...

10-20-2008, 01:53 PM

I know it is hopeless to expect a matte version of this monitor, and it being glossy isnt as bad, since it is for a desktop [unacceptable to be so high gloss on a laptop], and one should be able to adjust their surroundings at least a bit. [maybe not at work, but these are for home users anyway]

but
it will be really great if they came with a nicely designed monitor hood, or at least if they sold one as an option.

I have a question though about the speakers...
can you turn them off?
it doesnt seem to have a headphone port...
would putting headphones into the laptop silence the monitor speakers?
[would be nice to have the headphones plugged into the monitor at the desk.]

or do you have to unplug the usb portion of the cable-dongle to turn off the speakers, but then also losing the availability to use the monitors usb plugs?

Messiah

10-22-2008, 07:09 AM

I was in an Apple Store yesterday, and I had the opportunity to check out the new LED Cinema Display that was on display.

One of the Apple floor staff approached me, and the conversation went like this:

Salesman: Do you guys need any help?

Me (pointing at the LED Cinema Display): Do you know when these things will be available?

Salesman: They're available right now.

Me: I didn't realise these things were available now?

Salesman: Yeah, we have them in stock.

Salesman: It's gorgeous, isn't it? But you need to buy one of the new laptops to drive it.

Me: Yeah, but I'm still not convinced about the glossy display.

Salesman: They're all going to be like that from now on. Get used to it...

At which point he sauntered off.

I turned to my friend who was stood there open jawed, as surprised as I was at the salesman's curtness.

As it turned out, they didn't have the display in stock at all, and won't have it in stock until some point in November. Which makes me wonder if the salesman knew what he was talking about at all, and whether or not every Cinema Display from now on will indeed be glassy-glossy...

solipsism

10-22-2008, 07:17 AM

As it turned out, they didn't have the display in stock at all, and won't have it in stock until some point in November. Which makes me wonder if the salesman knew what he was talking about at all, and whether or not every Cinema Display from now on will indeed be glassy-glossy...

You're much more likely to get an informed answer about Apple from these forums and others like it. Those retail people, while they do work for Apple, are not kept in the [infinite] loop. Too much risk, no benefit.

The only thing I'm surprised about, is that he told you that the 24" ACD was available, but I'm also surprised they had one on display. Apple usually doesn't display items that aren't available.

backtomac

10-22-2008, 07:28 AM

...., and whether or not every Cinema Display from now on will indeed be glassy-glossy...

I think the handwritings on the wall here. The future of Apple displays is indeed likely to be glassy-glossy. Not that I agree with this but when they remove the option from the MBP and relaese a new ACD that is glassy-glossy,...well you might want to buy some nice sunglasses.

I don't know why they don't offer it as a BTO option and charge extra. There are users who would gladly do so.

jeffharris

10-22-2008, 08:33 AM

You're much more likely to get an informed answer about Apple from these forums and others like it. Those retail people, while they do work for Apple, are not kept in the [infinite] loop. Too much risk, no benefit.

The only thing I'm surprised about, is that he told you that the 24" ACD was available, but I'm also surprised they had one on display. Apple usually doesn't display items that aren't available.

Forget salespeople. You've got to know what you want BEFORE you go or they'll sell you anything.

The Fifth Avenue Apple Store had one of the new 24 inchers on display on Saturday (Oct 18). The store was JAMMED. I'd never seen it like that. I usually avoid it.

Messiah

10-22-2008, 05:39 PM

...well you might want to buy some nice sunglasses.

I'm going to black out the windows, install dimmer switches, paint the ceiling black, carpet the walls and slip into this convenient little outfit:

http://img55.imageshack.us/img55/2915/deathstargunnerso8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img55.imageshack.us/img55/deathstargunnerso8.jpg/1/w251.png (http://g.imageshack.us/img55/deathstargunnerso8.jpg/1/)

Sweet.

backtomac

10-22-2008, 05:43 PM

I'm going to black out the windows, install dimmer switches, paint the ceiling black, carpet the walls and slip into this convenient little outfit:

http://img55.imageshack.us/img55/2915/deathstargunnerso8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img55.imageshack.us/img55/deathstargunnerso8.jpg/1/w251.png (http://g.imageshack.us/img55/deathstargunnerso8.jpg/1/)

Sweet.

:lol:

That'll work.

Cory Bauer

11-03-2008, 08:13 PM

Did any of you guys think of, that this display may actually be, exactly what Apple says it is, a display ment for the MacBook's, not a display for the Pro market?
If it were, why wouldn't they mention Mac Pro?
Because you can't connect it to a Mac Pro or iMac or Mac Mini until all are revised to include a Mini Display port.

As it turned out, they didn't have the display in stock at all, and won't have it in stock until some point in November. Which makes me wonder if the salesman knew what he was talking about at all, and whether or not every Cinema Display from now on will indeed be glassy-glossy...
Are you sure he was actually an Apple store employee, and not just some lonely Mac user? :p

webraider

11-03-2008, 10:26 PM

I turned to my friend who was stood there open jawed, as surprised as I was at the salesman's curtness.

As it turned out, they didn't have the display in stock at all, and won't have it in stock until some point in November. Which makes me wonder if the salesman knew what he was talking about at all, and whether or not every Cinema Display from now on will indeed be glassy-glossy...

I would be upset with this comment too. It's very insensitive. He was probably a younger dude as the next generation has yet to really learn about the "Customer is always right" thing. However.. He is right in that they will all be like this and not just from Apple. LED displays will be released in glossy models only. Those people who are hold out from apple won't be able to get what they want anywhere. To be honest though.. glossy screens have better color and sharpness than matte screens which actually diffuse the light.