10.2.2 ?! [Archive] - AppleInsider

Brad

10-04-2002, 09:32 PM

A good source told me earlier this week that 10.2.2 is planned to be released around the end of October and 10.2.3 is planned for December. A note about the latter also mentioned two new code names (probably of new hardware) it's adding support for.

It's nice to see that he was right and that 10.2.2 is already being seeded now. :)

[ 10-04-2002: Message edited by: Brad ]

Outsider

10-04-2002, 09:49 PM

[quote]Originally posted by Brad:
A good source told me earlier this week that 10.2.2 is planned to be released around the end of October and 10.2.3 is planned for December. A note about the latter also mentioned two new code names (probably of new hardware) it's adding support for.

It's nice to see that he was right and that 10.2.2 is already being seeded now. :)

[ 10-04-2002: Message edited by: Brad ]<hr></blockquote>

Interesting. I heard the same exact info.

Leonis

10-04-2002, 10:02 PM

What's in this seed?

Just bug fix?

Nebagakid

10-04-2002, 10:21 PM

It is sorta weird that they are planning updates... I mean, it should be they are working all the time, and when they have done something good

what'er

i retract my statement (dont post_) <img src="graemlins/smokin.gif" border="0" alt="[Chilling]" /> <img src="graemlins/smokin.gif" border="0" alt="[Chilling]" /> <img src="graemlins/smokin.gif" border="0" alt="[Chilling]" />

Brad

10-04-2002, 10:42 PM

Nebagakid:

If you don't work towards a set goal for a point release, then how else would you decide it's "time" to release an update? Would you just go out every few months and update what you've got done so far? Of course not.

Software without a definite plan is software without any definite future updates.

[ 10-04-2002: Message edited by: Brad ]

rogue27

10-04-2002, 10:43 PM

Well, they are working nonstop, I am almost sure of that, but obviously they need to release things once in a while or they'd be working for nothing, so I'd imagine that they plan updates every so often and come up with reasonable goals of what can be implemented by then.

And I know, you said don't post, but whatever. :)

Nebrie

10-05-2002, 12:20 AM

Didn't they try that once and ended up with Copland?

Eugene

10-05-2002, 12:20 AM

KUMQUAT!

Luca

10-05-2002, 12:25 AM

So... what exactly would these updates do? So far, the only small update I've seen that actually had a noticable change was 10.1.4 to 10.1.5, when support for Rage Pro graphics cards was added. I was running it on a PowerBook G3 with a 4 MB Rage LT Pro.

I didn't notice any difference between 10.2.0 and 10.2.1, but I suppose most of these updates are minor bug fixes and under the hood improvements, so I suppose no one can really expect to see any big difference (unless, of course, you were trying to use a particular CD burner that happens to be supported in the newer version but not in the older version).

eVo

10-05-2002, 12:45 AM

From ThinkSecret.com:

[quote]
October 4, 2002 - According to multiple developer sources, Apple late Thursday began seeding pre-release builds of the next minor update to Mac OS X, version 10.2.2.

The builds are marked as 6F6, representing the first seeds from the "F" milestone, which is reportedly being referred to internally as the "Merlot" milestone. (This appears to go along with the pattern of 10.3's initial code-name, Pinot. Apple's marketing department renamed it "Panther" to fit Apple's cat motif.)

Merlot's seed notes did not specify the exact changes, but testers say that modified files include Address Book, Mail, Sherlock, NetInfo Manager, Terminal, Disc Recording, audio files, Nvidia and ATI drivers, Startup Disk, and power management.

Last month's 10.2.1 update encompassed enhancements and improvements to graphics, printing, networking, and peripheral support.
<hr></blockquote>

There better be a freaking Preview update :mad:

Brad

10-05-2002, 12:50 AM

[quote]Originally posted by eVo:
There better be a freaking Preview update :mad: <hr></blockquote>What's wrong with Preview? :confused:

At least Preview is stable. Apple's biggest embarrassment in Jaguar so far has got to be iChat. In a regular evening of heavy chatting, iChat crashes half a dozen times or more. Anyhow, I don't mean to derail the thread into what *should* be fixed -- I just wonder why you think Preview needs an update.

eVo

10-05-2002, 01:50 AM

[quote]Originally posted by Brad:
What's wrong with Preview? :confused:

At least Preview is stable. Apple's biggest embarrassment in Jaguar so far has got to be iChat. In a regular evening of heavy chatting, iChat crashes half a dozen times or more. Anyhow, I don't mean to derail the thread into what *should* be fixed -- I just wonder why you think Preview needs an update.<hr></blockquote>

EVERY image I open in Preview it's scaled down, and HALF THE TIME, I can't even "View Actual Size" on the image, it just stays in its scaled down state, and I'm not able to look at the image in its real size at all! What's worse, is that when I DO finally get an image displayed in Actual Size, and the window maximized and all, as soon as I close the image and reopen it, its back to its scaled down size!

Also, I do like the nifty drawer when you open multiple images, but say you want to take one of those images and open it in its own window, you can't! You must close the window containing the drawer of multiple images, open the image singly from the Finder, then reopen the multiple images again from the Finder.

It just seems like too much of a quircky app to me. It seemed to behave a bit better in 10.1.5.

rogue27

10-05-2002, 02:09 AM

Maybe you should download graphic converter instead?

Brad

10-05-2002, 02:24 AM

Yeah, I also have to give mad props to GraphicConverter. :) I use it as the default app for handling all of my image types except for PDF and ICNS. It works so much better and faster than Preview.app and is well worth twice its shareware fee.

Belle

10-05-2002, 02:47 AM

[quote]Originally posted by Brad:
A good source told me earlier this week that 10.2.2 is planned to be released around the end of October and 10.2.3 is planned for December. A note about the latter also mentioned two new code names (probably of new hardware) it's adding support for.<hr></blockquote>
Could it be the rumored updates to software rather than new hardware? Changes to iPhoto and iMovie?

Eugene

10-05-2002, 04:53 AM

I've had no problems with the new Preview app and weird scaling. This was quite common with 10.1 though. I've also had not one iChat crash, ever.

Chucker

10-05-2002, 06:50 AM

[quote]Originally posted by Eugene:
I've had no problems with the new Preview app and weird scaling. This was quite common with 10.1 though. I've also had not one iChat crash, ever.<hr></blockquote>

Ditto. Both Preview and iChat work beautifully for me.

Now... as to the Finder, that's a different story :mad: ;)

Chucker

10-05-2002, 07:01 AM

Oh and keychain... grr!

It won't let me create an additional password! Not even in a new keychain - then, it just crashes. :(

Patchouli

10-05-2002, 09:54 AM

I find iChat to be very stable and basic. I haven't used another chat program (on the Mac) since I got Jaguar.

Preview is pretty cool too. The problems mentioned here were evident with 10.1 but Jaguar seemed to have corrected them (at least for me!)

trystero

10-05-2002, 10:18 AM

so how is 10.2.2?

pusherman

10-05-2002, 10:56 AM

I haven't had many problems with iChat.

I agree though that they should just re-implement the Preview from 10.1. Feature creep set in, and the huge toolbars and drawers are just ridiculous. Why on earth would I not want to be able to see two images at the same time, if I opened them at the same time?

I hope to God there are some iPhoto improvements; as I've said before, it is the absolute slowest piece of software that I have ever used in my entire life.

I also found that Calculator is unbelievably slow, especially considering that it ran fine under 10.1. Whatever they did to it when they were sticking the little brushed metal face on cut its speed in half. The display can't even keep up with my typing when I'm trying to calculate things. It's ridiculous.

And to keep this on topic, I hope they have fixed all this stuff in 10.2.2 :)

Addison

10-05-2002, 06:13 PM

Well I have founf that since going to 10.2 I get a lot of spinning wheels and the machines seem to pause for no reason sometimes for upto 20seconds especially classic. So I hope that this is addressed. For my money 10.1.5 was the best and most stable.

Chucker

10-06-2002, 06:29 AM

[quote]Originally posted by Addison:
Well I have founf that since going to 10.2 I get a lot of spinning wheels and the machines seem to pause for no reason sometimes for upto 20seconds especially classic.<hr></blockquote>

I don't have Classic installed, but can confirm these problems. Sometimes launching an app takes over 50 bounces, even when it's just TextEdit or SystemPrefs. Sometimes OS X hangs for over a minute when trying to send an IM over Proteus (come on!). Those are ridiculous issues.

Quarem

10-07-2002, 01:14 AM

I was having a lot of lag with my Dad's 867 when I update installed Jaguar over 10.1.5. Everything seemed to be taking a lot of bounces to launch, system prefs took over 10 bounces to launch for instance.

I decided that I should do a clean install of Jaguar. After that everything is performing the way it should: System Prefs now launchs in less then a bounce and everything else seems snappier.

Maybe you should try a CLEAN reinstall as well. :)

Xaqtly

10-07-2002, 01:57 PM

Take a hint from Quarem, guys... if an app takes 50 bounces to launch, something is not right. It's not just "Jaguar", because that doesn't happen to most people with Jaguar. Do a clean reinstall.

Chucker

10-07-2002, 03:12 PM

[quote]Originally posted by Xaqtly:
Take a hint from Quarem, guys... if an app takes 50 bounces to launch, something is not right. It's not just "Jaguar", because that doesn't happen to most people with Jaguar. Do a clean reinstall.<hr></blockquote>

The install *is* clean. This problem has been there ever since this install, which I just did about two weeks ago.

Overhope

10-07-2002, 04:28 PM

[quote]Originally posted by pusherman:
I hope to God there are some iPhoto improvements; as I've said before, it is the absolute slowest piece of software that I have ever used in my entire life.<hr></blockquote>

Have you tried iCal? I swear you can make a cup of coffee in the time it takes to change week...

Not a Jag issue, of course...

Xool

10-07-2002, 11:56 PM

How much RAM do you guys have and how many other apps are you running?

If you have less than 256 and are running anything but one or two apps, there's your problem.

Aquatic

10-08-2002, 12:16 AM

Too bad my iBook's screw on the Airport riser is stuck and I have a stick of 256 just sitting, but only 128 inside. OS X is still bloaty.

NoahJ

10-08-2002, 12:28 AM

[quote]Originally posted by Chucker:


The install *is* clean. This problem has been there ever since this install, which I just did about two weeks ago.<hr></blockquote>

I had a similar problem with my wifes iMac. Here is how it finally came back to normal speed (2 bounces or less for app launch on a 400MHz G3 512MB RAM). This is anecdotal evidence, I do not know what changed.

I opened up the terminal and typed:

sudo shutdown now
entered my password when asked

the machine shutdown as expected.

Once I got to the prompt at the end where nothing was going on I typed:

exit

The machine restarted but never made it back into 10.2, I got a lot of error messages but never made it back. I shut the machine off completely with the power button. I rebooted it and when it came up it made it most of the way into X but took a long time like it was running FSCHK or something as the HDD was thrashing madly. Then when the desktop was just about to come up it rebooted again. After that the machine was very fast again. As i said, not sure what was up or if there is an easier way to do it, but it worked for me, and I have heard of others having the same type of experience after I had mine. Maybe you should try it. I guarantee it will not make things worse and almost gurantee it will make it better.

I have a feeling that FSCHK runs and fixes some major system problems upon unexpected shutdown and then reboots again after the errors are repaired. Anyone care to guess?

NoahJ

10-08-2002, 12:33 AM

[quote]Originally posted by Overhope:


Have you tried iCal? I swear you can make a cup of coffee in the time it takes to change week...

Not a Jag issue, of course...<hr></blockquote>

Just tried it out. One second or less to change weeks. Changing from weeks to months took about 5 seconds and then changing months takes one second again. Back to weeks takes about 5 seconds or less. And then one second to change between weeks. Once more, iMac 400G3, 512 MB RAM

Chucker

10-08-2002, 05:22 AM

[quote]Originally posted by Xool:
How much RAM do you guys have and how many other apps are you running?

If you have less than 256 and are running anything but one or two apps, there's your problem.<hr></blockquote>

Looks like I should put my specs in my sig.

iBook 700, 12 inches (not that it matters), ATi RADEON Mobility w/ 16 Megs, 20 Gigs hard drive (too little :mad: ), 384 Megs of RAM.

Chucker

10-08-2002, 05:26 AM

[quote]Originally posted by NoahJ:


I had a similar problem with my wifes iMac. Here is how it finally came back to normal speed (2 bounces or less for app launch on a 400MHz G3 512MB RAM). This is anecdotal evidence, I do not know what changed.

I opened up the terminal and typed:

sudo shutdown now
entered my password when asked

the machine shutdown as expected.

Once I got to the prompt at the end where nothing was going on I typed:

exit

The machine restarted but never made it back into 10.2, I got a lot of error messages but never made it back. I shut the machine off completely with the power button. I rebooted it and when it came up it made it most of the way into X but took a long time like it was running FSCHK or something as the HDD was thrashing madly. Then when the desktop was just about to come up it rebooted again. After that the machine was very fast again. As i said, not sure what was up or if there is an easier way to do it, but it worked for me, and I have heard of others having the same type of experience after I had mine. Maybe you should try it. I guarantee it will not make things worse and almost gurantee it will make it better.

I have a feeling that FSCHK runs and fixes some major system problems upon unexpected shutdown and then reboots again after the errors are repaired. Anyone care to guess?<hr></blockquote>

Thanks man. I'll probably try that out once my "fink install bundle-kde" is complete.

Brad

10-08-2002, 06:00 AM

[quote]Originally posted by Chucker:
Thanks man. I'll probably try that out once my "fink install bundle-kde" is complete.<hr></blockquote>Actually, that's not exactly the preferred method of running fsck (it's not "FSCHK"). You should do the following to run fsck:

* Completely restart your computer and hold the Apple and 's' keys during boot. You'll be dropped into a command line.
* enter the command /sbin/fsck -y
* if you get repair messages and **** FILESYSTEM WAS MODIFIED ****, run that command again.
* When it says your disk is okay, enter the command reboot to restart.

If you keep running fsck and get the same errors over and over again, then there is some more severe damage to your disk than fsck is able to repair. You'll need a tool like DiskWarrior to properly repair things.

Also, I see you mentioned that you're running xfree86 on 10.2, right? Is *everything* you've added through the cli up to date? I ask this because I have read several reports of fink and xfree86 and other low-level tools seriously screwing up systems with Mac OS X 10.2. Our own Mulattabianca went through a long ordeal of problems with 10.2 until she discovered the cause was xfree86 and GIMP. I would strongly suggest reading up on said reports and seeing if your problems could be related.

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Chucker

10-08-2002, 07:33 AM

Hi Brad,

no, I'm not running XFree86 on this install *yet*. I am in the progress of installing bundle-kde, which will install XFree86 and all other needed stuff to get KDE and Konqueror running as well.

I'll try the fsck method (yes, I know that it's not fschk).

Chucker

10-08-2002, 10:21 AM

No errors found.

Do you think that creating a boot CD and trying to defragment the system volume will help?

Addison

10-08-2002, 11:24 AM

Whilst reading this thread I was wondering if anyone had any any feedback on 10.2.2?

Moogs

10-08-2002, 02:44 PM

Nothing specific yet that I've seen. ThinkSecret will probably have something within a week I bet. Basic features improved, major bugs fixed, etc. They have a solid track-record.

iMax

10-08-2002, 04:45 PM

I heard that 10.2.2 is going to cost $129 unless you bought Jaguar between Sep25 and Oct5. Then it will be $128. <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" />

Outsider

10-11-2002, 03:51 PM

Does anyone here know anything about 'Elvis'?

Chessie? something to do with IBM and super computers playing chess? Hmm?

Addison

11-05-2002, 12:49 PM

Is this going to be released tomorrow with the new books?

Moogs

11-05-2002, 04:31 PM

According the ThinkSecret and RAILhead, probably so. Says there are changes to iChat and Sherlock, hope the former involved interface improvements and the latter speed improvements. Sherlock is slow as swamp sludge....

PS - why wait an entire year to get a life? You could be dead next week. Go get your life now and stick around to share it with us - posting here and having a life are not mutually exclusive except for high-profile posters such as Eman.

;)

[ 11-05-2002: Message edited by: Moogs ]

Kali

11-05-2002, 05:08 PM

[quote]Originally posted by Moogs:

PS - why wait an entire year to get a life? You could be dead next week. Go get your life now and stick around to share it with us - posting here and having a life are not mutually exclusive except for high-profile posters such as Eman.

;)

[ 11-05-2002: Message edited by: Moogs ]<hr></blockquote>

So, should I conclude I have a real life ? ;-)

jkb

11-05-2002, 09:52 PM

Without saying what company this is from or what the context is, here's this tidbit:

[quote] We reported our issues to the Apple Dev team, but they did not have time to get these fixes into their Jaguar dot release (codenamed Jaguar SU Blue due out this month) [November] <hr></blockquote>

So that's the codename.

jkb