Camp Delta: The Next Generation

[franksargent]

Where? (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guantanamo_Bay_detention_camp)

[involuntary_serf]

It's become clear that closing Gitmo thing is political theater in its finest form.

It isn't (as, perhaps, many have assumed) about ending the detention of people, it's just about ending their detention at Gitmo.

The only change we seem to have here is a change of address. How nice.

[hardeeharhar]

It's become clear that closing Gitmo thing is political theater in its finest form.

It isn't (as, perhaps, many have assumed) about ending the detention of people, it's just about ending their detention at Gitmo.

The only change we seem to have here is a change of address. How nice.
That's a very simplistic view. I believe the administration wants to get rid of as many of the current denizens as possible as quickly as possible with all proper jurisprudence...

[FloorJack]

People voted for Teh Change and got McSame. It's easy to be president when you're not actually president.

[Taskiss]

People voted for Teh Change and got McSame. It's easy to be president when you're not actually president.Sometimes I wonder if Obama would still have run for office if he knew then what he knows now.

Who would want to be promoted to the captain of a bajillion tons of bulky ship with an underwhelming engine, a tiny rudder, no way to know where you're at, no maps showing where to go, no radar ... and it's a dark and stormy night on top of it all...

[Hands Sandon]

Sometimes I wonder if Obama would still have run for office if he knew then what he knows now.

Who would want to be promoted to the captain of a bajillion tons of bulky ship with an underwhelming engine, a tiny rudder, no way to know where you're at, no maps showing where to go, no radar ... and it's a dark and stormy night on top of it all...

What does Obama know now that he didn't before he became president?

[Northgate]

It's become clear that closing Gitmo thing is political theater in its finest form.

It isn't (as, perhaps, many have assumed) about ending the detention of people, it's just about ending their detention at Gitmo.

The only change we seem to have here is a change of address. How nice.

Oh quit playing dumb. You know as well as everyone else the reason for bringing these detainees state side.

It's this stupid NIMBY crap that's the political theater. But I suspect you already know that and have decided to continue playing partisan politics regardless. But I guess I can't expect anything different from you guys.

[FormerLurker]

"Cheney's speech contained omissions, misstatements"

— Cheney slammed Obama's decision to close the Guantanamo Bay prison camp and criticized his effort to persuade other countries to accept some of the detainees.

The effort to shut down the facility, however, began during Bush's second term, promoted by Rice and Defense Secretary Robert Gates .

"One of the things that would help a lot is, in the discussions that we have with the states of which they (detainees) are nationals, if we could get some of those countries to take them back," Rice said in a Dec. 12, 2007 , interview with the British Broadcasting Corp. "So we need help in closing Guantanamo ."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/mcclatchy/20090521/pl_mcclatchy/3237981

[franksargent]

Fort Knox (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fort_Knox)

Include a few hundred Aryan Nations (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aryan_Nation) type prisoners to the mix and voila, problem solved.

:D

[Taskiss]

What does Obama know now that he didn't before he became president?What it's like to be president.

[Hands Sandon]

What it's like to be president.

Was it prophesied?:wow:-

"Among the Kenyan people of the Luo religion Owalo is believed to be
a prophet similar to Jesus Christ and Muhammad, and who in 1912
made this horrific prophecy about the United States:

“So far have they
[the United States] strayed into wickedness in those [future] times that
their destruction has been sealed by my [father]. Their great cities will
burn, their crops and cattle will suffer disease and death, their
children will perish from diseases never seen upon this Earth, and I
reveal to you the greatest [mystery] of all as I have been allowed to
see that their [the United States] destruction will come about through
the vengeful hands of one of our very own sons.”:\:D

[sammi jo]

Does anyone know who is in Gitmo right now, and what offenses they have been charged with?

[Hands Sandon]

Does anyone know who is in Gitmo right now, and what offenses they have been charged with?

"The cases of the 240 inmates are being reviewed by a team of experienced US prosecutors to determine whether there is a basis for criminal charges. It remains unresolved what to do if there is a substantial "third category" of detainees who are deemed to pose a security threat, but against whom there is insufficient evidence to file criminal charges either because evidence was obtained under torture or because it is in the form of classified intelligence."
~Guardian http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/mar/22/guantanamo-bay-inmates-obama-policy

"First, the facts. Of the 779 prisoners at Guantánamo Bay, 539 have been released (all but two by George Bush). That leaves 240 who are supposedly the worst of the worst. Of those, 30 cases have gone to a full hearing before a US federal court, where the US government's secret evidence is shown to counsel, but not to the prisoner. And in 25 of those cases the judges have ordered the prisoner's release – 17 Uighurs, five Algerians, two Yemenis and a Chadian. (So far, only four of the 25 have been released.) In other words, the US government has won its case that the prisoners remaining in Guantánamo are enemy combatants in only 17% of the cases that have gone before a federal judge."
~Guardian http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/may/23/editorial-obama-cheney-guantanamo-evidence

[FloorJack]

The Obama admin has the most talented people in the country who are working to improve the country overall.

Yea they are so talented that they are reversing all their campaign promises and doing exactly what Bush was doing. Maybe that makes them the second most talented people? Or maybe not.


:lol:

[sammi jo]

"The cases of the 240 inmates are being reviewed by a team of experienced US prosecutors to determine whether there is a basis for criminal charges. It remains unresolved what to do if there is a substantial "third category" of detainees who are deemed to pose a security threat, but against whom there is insufficient evidence to file criminal charges either because evidence was obtained under torture or because it is in the form of classified intelligence."
~Guardian http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/mar/22/guantanamo-bay-inmates-obama-policy

"First, the facts. Of the 779 prisoners at Guantánamo Bay, 539 have been released (all but two by George Bush). That leaves 240 who are supposedly the worst of the worst. Of those, 30 cases have gone to a full hearing before a US federal court, where the US government's secret evidence is shown to counsel, but not to the prisoner. And in 25 of those cases the judges have ordered the prisoner's release – 17 Uighurs, five Algerians, two Yemenis and a Chadian. (So far, only four of the 25 have been released.) In other words, the US government has won its case that the prisoners remaining in Guantánamo are enemy combatants in only 17% of the cases that have gone before a federal judge."
~Guardian http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/may/23/editorial-obama-cheney-guantanamo-evidence

In other words, the 'cases' against the people there are so flimsy and/or fabricated that the Government (whichever administration) dares not invoke normal legal procedures, because that would expose the "prosecution's" case as being just that: fake, fabricated or non-existent; hence the secrecy, lies and paranoia. More than likely, the entire Gitmo (etc) debacle is a case of "get someone, get anyone, placate the public, frame an enemy, make sure that it appears as we are getting 'the job' done, and make sure whatever gets out to the public is as little conflicted as possible.

National security..... my ass. More like the security of the criminals who are profiting from the last 8 years crap.

[Hands Sandon]

In other words, the 'cases' against the people there are so flimsy and/or fabricated that the Government (whichever administration) dares not invoke normal legal procedures, because that would expose the "prosecution's" case as being just that: fake, fabricated or non-existent; hence the secrecy, lies and paranoia. More than likely, the entire Gitmo (etc) debacle is a case of "get someone, get anyone, placate the public, frame an enemy, make sure that it appears as we are getting 'the job' done, and make sure whatever gets out to the public is as little conflicted as possible.

National security..... my ass. More like the security of the criminals who are profiting from the last 8 years crap.

Exactly. Torture innocent people for the guilty, makes perfect sense when you think about it.