Palin's Sailin'

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  • outsideroutsider Posts: 6,008member
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    Originally Posted by screener View Post


    Possibly, but constantly whining ad-hom, sometimes multiple times when replying to a post is as bad as complaining about Jon Stuart, or the left wing media conspiracy or the socialism scare tactic more than one poster constantly brings up and the favorite of mine, stealing my money.



    Fucking hell.



    It's John, donchaknow?
  • talksense101talksense101 Posts: 1,736member
    Too much trash going around in the media these days. Here is a response by Palin's attorney.



    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...070502700.html
  • bergermeisterbergermeister Posts: 6,784member
    And the blogger Palin and her "lawyer" are trying to target gave her response:



    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/akmuck..._b_225817.html



    In the same HP article, there is a bit about some miss-info Palin wished to release during the campaign, but McCain's staff put a halt to it.



    She feels that publishing mis-info is OK if she does it, but if someone posts a blog that quote a rumor, that is NG if The Lipstick-Wearing Pit Bull With Super-Thin Skin disapproves.



    What were the comments she made about Obama? What about the ones she allowed to be said at her gatherings? Those are OK but rumors of an investigation are not?



    All she has to do is deny the rumors: "there is no truth to that"; her "lawyer" suggested that this rumor came out last year and was refuted... why now the tough stance with lawsuits?



    Why can't Palin and her immediate staff deal with this? I mean, she is the governor, is she not? Why do we need to see her running to her lawyer and having him issuing statements?





    Murkowski, the Republican Senator from Alaska, also hit Palin hard, for "abandoning " the state. Will she be sued, too? Anybody who posts a negative opinion of Palin?



    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/0..._n_225722.html
  • vineavinea Posts: 5,585member
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    Originally Posted by talksense101 View Post


    Too much trash going around in the media these days. Here is a response by Palin's attorney.



    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...070502700.html



    We will find out soon enough why. If there is a scandal it'll come out. Palin making legal threats she can't back up is silly. And frankly, trying to muzzle people is un-American.



    Most folks have a pretty good radar about whack-jobs and nonsense and frankly most folks don't read blogs anyway. I don't like Palin but it's like she's getting no political advice at all these days. Or she's simply ignoring it all.



    Those emails that got leaked really shows she doesn't have a good handle on how to manage issues except for full frontal assault.
  • taurontauron Posts: 911member
    Palin is just a fad with no substance. It will go away...





    ... they we will see her in porn.
  • sdw2001sdw2001 Posts: 16,188member
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    Originally Posted by Bergermeister View Post


    Reading the fallout over her resignation is pretty funny, especially how her supporters support her by, well, not saying anything good about her but trying desperately to keep the attack on the media and Obama. Many critics, on the other hand, have offered well-argued points, often citing her own words and positions.



    Here's my question...why should her "supporters" have to defend this action at all? Why should she have to defend herself from some truly brutal personal attacks, often from those that claim to support women's rights and advancement?



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    Add to it her amazing July 4th disappearing act and memo and comedy doesn't get any better.



    If she is the best the GOP can put forward, the GOP has some serious problems. Hopefully, her exit will help them learn a little and grow from the experience.





    Just read that she will likely easily pull $60,000 per speaking engagement from here on; wow. What happened to that ordinary hockey mom?



    See, there you go. You get to lob a below-the-belt blow. Then, when somebody tried to defend it, you say "see! You can't say anything good about her...you're just attacking the attacker!" However, the real issue is those (like you) lobbing ridiculous attacks to begin with. God forbid a politician resigns to focus on a possible presidential run, speaking engagements for which she actually gets paid, and an end to the horrible and unprecedented personal attacks against her and her family.



    Tell me, why I have I not heard about anyone taking issue with the money making enterprises of Clinton, Gore, etc?



    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...022202189.html



    Righto, because that's different. They're Democrats. She's a dim-witted right wing nutjob witha fake accent and a slutty stewardess look.
  • jimmacjimmac Posts: 11,898member
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    Originally Posted by SDW2001 View Post


    Here's my question...why should her "supporters" have to defend this action at all? Why should she have to defend herself from some truly brutal personal attacks, often from those that claim to support women's rights and advancement?







    See, there you go. You get to lob a below-the-belt blow. Then, when somebody tried to defend it, you say "see! You can't say anything good about her...you're just attacking the attacker!" However, the real issue is those (like you) lobbing ridiculous attacks to begin with. God forbid a politician resigns to focus on a possible presidential run, speaking engagements for which she actually gets paid, and an end to the horrible and unprecedented personal attacks against her and her family.



    Tell me, why I have I not heard about anyone taking issue with the money making enterprises of Clinton, Gore, etc?



    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...022202189.html



    Righto, because that's different. They're Democrats. She's a dim-witted right wing nutjob witha fake accent and a slutty stewardess look.



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    She's a dim-witted right wing nutjob witha fake accent and a slutty stewardess look



    I'd never thought of her in that light but now that you mention it.......
  • bergermeisterbergermeister Posts: 6,784member
    Palin's take on female politicians and the media from 2008:





    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gA15XU23kEc





  • dfilerdfiler Posts: 3,420member
    Did anyone see Karl Rove on Fox "News" this weekend?



    It's interesting to note that he did basically what amounted to a backhanded smear segment on Palin. In other words, the Republican machine is now distancing itself from Palin. Or at least the Rove influenced portion of the machine is already doing so. It was already somewhat that way, but the comments by Karl Rove this weekend really cemented their position.



    So now I'm left wondering, do they simply have someone else in mind, or is there a scandal waiting to break?
  • jimmacjimmac Posts: 11,898member
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    Originally Posted by dfiler View Post


    Did anyone see Karl Rove on Fox "News" this weekend?



    It's interesting to note that he did basically what amounted to a backhanded smear segment on Palin. In other words, the Republican machine is now distancing itself from Palin. Or at least the Rove influenced portion of the machine is already doing so. It was already somewhat that way, but the comments by Karl Rove this weekend really cemented their position.



    So now I'm left wondering, do they simply have someone else in mind, or is there a scandal waiting to break?



    Well I'm guessing that part of that machine thinks she's political poison. The thing that they don't get is that she's a symptom of the whole not the cause.



    Until they get that and decide to reform......well you get the idea.
  • trumptmantrumptman Posts: 16,255member
    This is pretty much summed up by the threads on this board which shows near hysteria by the left created by Sarah Palin. It is clear by the number of drummed ethics charges and by the nastiest comments for a public figure I've ever seen that they fear her to the point of not just hating her, but possibly harming her. So I hope she takes her break, keeps her family safe and will re-engage at some point when people won't be treated credibly for hoping that her daughter is raped, posting nasty caricatures about her son with Down sydrome, and can pay for the charges they allege.



    In the meantime, shrug Sarah, shrug.
  • jimmacjimmac Posts: 11,898member
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    Originally Posted by trumptman View Post


    This is pretty much summed up by the threads on this board which shows near hysteria by the left created by Sarah Palin. It is clear by the number of drummed ethics charges and by the nastiest comments for a public figure I've ever seen that they fear her to the point of not just hating her, but possibly harming her. So I hope she takes her break, keeps her family safe and will re-engage at some point when people won't be treated credibly for hoping that her daughter is raped, posting nasty caricatures about her son with Down sydrome, and can pay for the charges they allege.



    In the meantime, shrug Sarah, shrug.



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    This is pretty much summed up by the threads on this board which shows near hysteria by the left created by Sarah Palin



    Well that's just the thing. Her choice was histerical!



    I don't hate her ( well I didn't like the wolf thing much ) but she's obviously not cut out to be president or even vice.



    Unfortunately the republicans saw her as an answer to the possible threat from Hillary Clinton. She turned out to be an insult to the political aspirations of women everywhere. Someday we really will have a real woman president just like now we have a black one. This should have happened a long time ago as there are people in both groups that are cut out for the job.
  • dfilerdfiler Posts: 3,420member
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    Originally Posted by trumptman View Post


    This is pretty much summed up by the threads on this board which shows near hysteria by the left created by Sarah Palin. It is clear by the number of drummed ethics charges and by the nastiest comments for a public figure I've ever seen that they fear her to the point of not just hating her, but possibly harming her. So I hope she takes her break, keeps her family safe and will re-engage at some point when people won't be treated credibly for hoping that her daughter is raped, posting nasty caricatures about her son with Down sydrome, and can pay for the charges they allege.



    In the meantime, shrug Sarah, shrug.



    Sure, nut jobs are out there for all political parties or ideologies. But there was no abnormal hysteria over Palin.



    She was introduced to the national public very late during this last election. The public had to find out everything about her as quickly as possible in order to make an informed decision before the election. This was the reason for the intense scrutiny.



    And what's this about hoping her daughter is raped? Not even Letterman mentioned anything about that. Let's stick to subjects that matter, like policy debate and corruption investigation.
  • SpamSandwichSpamSandwich Posts: 24,237member
    Anyone else having issues with the forums? Every forum I go to or post on appears to be locked, and the posts visible are exactly double what they should be (IOW, the entire thread is duplicated).
  • vineavinea Posts: 5,585member
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    Originally Posted by SDW2001 View Post


    Here's my question...why should her "supporters" have to defend this action at all? Why should she have to defend herself from some truly brutal personal attacks, often from those that claim to support women's rights and advancement?



    Because we aren't a party of quitters?



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    See, there you go. You get to lob a below-the-belt blow. Then, when somebody tried to defend it, you say "see! You can't say anything good about her...you're just attacking the attacker!" However, the real issue is those (like you) lobbing ridiculous attacks to begin with. God forbid a politician resigns to focus on a possible presidential run, speaking engagements for which she actually gets paid, and an end to the horrible and unprecedented personal attacks against her and her family.



    So she quit being governer to make more money and/or because people called her names?



    God forbid the Republican party has nothing better to offer than a quitter who wants more $$$ or too wimpy to take the heat of partisan politics that we actually have been fanning the flames for two decades.



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    Tell me, why I have I not heard about anyone taking issue with the money making enterprises of Clinton, Gore, etc?



    Because they did it AFTER they finished their terms? And in Gore's case, lost his run. All big name retired politicos make money. She would have too even if she didn't run again.



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    Righto, because that's different. They're Democrats. She's a dim-witted right wing nutjob witha fake accent and a slutty stewardess look.



    Name any governor that resigned to make more money or because they were catching too much heat?
  • trumptmantrumptman Posts: 16,255member
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    Originally Posted by dfiler View Post


    Sure, nut jobs are out there for all political parties or ideologies. But there was no abnormal hysteria over Palin.



    Perhaps that level of hysteria is normal for the left, but for the right it would be abnormal.
  • screenerscreener Posts: 1,568member
    Right, long live the Dixie Chicks, CD burnings was just a weenie roast.
  • dfilerdfiler Posts: 3,420member
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    Originally Posted by trumptman View Post


    Perhaps that level of hysteria is normal for the left, but for the right it would be abnormal.



    I was hoping we could stick to discussing Sarah Palin instead of turning this into a more generalized right vs left thing. Did you notice that my post in this thread talked about Karl Rove and the Republicans without insulting either? Instead, it was addressed Palin's support from the GOP. It must not have been a very interesting topic I guess.



    My second post explained why Palin has heavily scrutinized, also without any partison finger pointing. Basically, the nation had to evaluate a complete stranger very late in the campaign. All the attention was merited because she was an unknown.



    And yet the rebutal was just "well the left is hysterical". So who's hysterical? Who brought up "wanting to rape", "down syndrom", etc? If anyone is hysterical, it is isolated individuals, not everyone who happens to disagree with us.
  • trumptmantrumptman Posts: 16,255member
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    Originally Posted by dfiler View Post


    I was hoping we could stick to discussing Sarah Palin instead of turning this into a more generalized right vs left thing. Did you notice that my post in this thread talked about Karl Rove and the Republicans without insulting either? Instead, it was addressed Palin's support from the GOP. It must not have been a very interesting topic I guess.



    My second post explained why Palin has heavily scrutinized, also without any partison finger pointing. Basically, the nation had to evaluate a complete stranger very late in the campaign. All the attention was merited because she was an unknown.



    And yet the rebutal was just "well the left is hysterical". So who's hysterical? Who brought up "wanting to rape", "down syndrom", etc? If anyone is hysterical, it is isolated individuals, not everyone who happens to disagree with us.



    Sorry dfiler, but honestly it was just spin. There was plenty spin about how the rules about how to treat her as a public official had to be tossed due to the fall campaign being so fast and furious. You know things like, "sure it would never be appropriate to challenge maternity but OMG it is October and she might keep the one from being elected!"



    That doesn't make much sense to me, but given the nature of people and elections, it could at least be within the realm of reasoning though still bad reasoning in my view. We are now several months past the campaign and she isn't having to threaten legal actions against obscure radio host or blogger, she is having to do so against HuffPo, NY Times, Washington Post. She isn't defending herself against AM Radio guy with no ratings, she is doing so against David Letterman.



    I know I can list all these things including all the claims that have had to be investigated and not had one with merit and it will just be dismissed. I can tell you that from the get go not being willing to even see clear hatred and misogany for what it happens to be.



    I really don't care if you claim to be trying to discuss this in some claimed objective or neutral manner. I'm not neutral on hate. I'm not neutral on treating her family this way. I'm not neutral on false allegations.
  • dfilerdfiler Posts: 3,420member
    The scrutiny she received has been exactly inline with what is normal for our country. Sometimes the public and the press go too far. This is true no matter which person is involved. Her claiming to be singled out is preposterous.



    Her family has been relatively untouched by all of this. And its not like she has tried to keep them out of the limelight. She dressed them up in fancy clothes and paraded them around on national TV. They could have watched from home or have been to the side of the stage, off camera. But no, the campaign bought the family (and minor boyfriend) designer clothes and put them right up front for our national viewing pleasure. She carried her kid around on stage. The kid could have waited ten more minutes if family life were supposed to be private. She also gave interviews from home instead of the office.



    She put her family in the spotlight.



    So what happens? Her family is briefly mentioned by the mainstream media and arguably treated unfairly by more fringe outlets. All pretty much normal as far as American standards go.



    And now for letterman: Letterman made a quick joke about A-rod "knocking up" her daughter. Letterman intended this joke to be about Palin's adult daughter and nowhere did he use the word "rape". Letterman has apologized for this joke more than once on national TV. But yet here you are complaining about "rape"?



    I agree our culture is cruel to celebrities at times but Palin's treatment has been par for the course. Hillary and Chelsea fared no better during the Clinton presidency.





    But really, isn't all of this just an attempted distraction from the real issues? Shouldn't we be talking about her legacy as Governor? I'd sure like to hear more about the corruption charges. Yep, I was one of the few people who care enough to have read the entire trooper-gate report. Actually pretty good reading as far as dramas go.
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