Axis of stupidity...

ferro

I found this at <a href="http://www.synearth.net"; target="_blank">synearth.net</a> but its from <a href="http://www.salon.com"; target="_blank">salon.com</a>



I think it really hits the nails on the head...



Our president is a joke, a fake, a novice in spiffy clothing... a puppet... suffering from dillusions of grandeur...



<a href="http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2002/02/14/iraq/index_np.html"; target="_blank">Axis of stupidity...</a>



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ghost_user_name

In reality it's the press that's the joke. Hyperanalyzing what he says and taking everything to an extreme.



And as always lust for oil is blamed for all of the US policy. It's getting to be a trite cliche.

mac guru

spaceman_spiff

[quote]Originally posted by Scott H.:



<strong>... It's getting to be a trite cliche.</strong><hr></blockquote>



Speaking of cliches - recycled, tired cliches - the "Bush is dumb" one shows even less intellectual involvement than the cartoon image that it attempts to evoke.



<a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A19626-2002Feb16.html"; target="_blank">The Way Bush Sees the World</a>



By Steven Mufson



Sunday, February 17, 2002; Page B01



[quote]Last March - long before the events of Sept. 11 - President Bush spent part of a weekend at Camp David reading a book called "Eastward to Tartary," a political travelogue through the little-known but volatile region stretching from Romania and Bulgaria to the shores of the oil-rich Caspian Sea.



Bush immersed himself the book, which described a realm haunted by the specter of conflict over Caspian pipelines, war between Iran and Azerbaijan, instability in Syria, chaos in Georgia, and stagnation in Romania and Bulgaria. The book, more conversational than the analytical briefings from the diplomatic community, meshed with his evolving view of the world. He asked his staff to invite the author to the White House.



Bush's interest in the book - and the somber views of its author, Robert Kaplan - reveals something about the intellectual journey of a president who nearly a year later is consumed with a campaign against "evildoers" and the dangers posed by the "axis of evil." Though Sept. 11 may have altered Bush's presidency, it probably didn't fundamentally alter his view of the world as a place populated by complicated, ancient feuds and dozens of dangerous groups. These groups must be confronted and, if necessary, vanquished, Bush has made clear.



Or as Kaplan wrote, "The human landscape is grim, but great powers throughout history faced grim landscapes and were not deterred from pursuing their goals." How should a great power respond? According to Kaplan, with "leaders who know when to intervene, and do so without illusions." ...



... Bush had plenty of other things on his agenda the day of Kaplan's visit. The president was to meet the Japanese prime minister to smooth over the accidental sinking of a Japanese fishing boat by a U.S. submarine. Later that week, touting a policy of "realism," the administration would reproach a Chinese vice premier over religious freedom and expel dozens of Russian diplomats in a tit-for-tat over espionage allegations.



But first, Bush wanted to discuss "Eastward to Tartary," a sequel to Kaplan's influential "Balkan Ghosts," a sobering political history that Clinton's aides said he read before deciding not to intervene in Bosnia. Bush, soon to embark on his first presidential visit to Europe, wanted to hear what Kaplan had to say about the stability of Romania and Bulgaria. "Tell us what you think, that's why you're here," Bush said. For 45 minutes, he and Kaplan talked, while Rice, NSC director of European affairs Daniel Fried and White House chief of staff Andrew Card mostly listened...<hr></blockquote>



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noahj

[quote]Originally posted by FERRO:

<strong>I found this at <a href="http://www.synearth.net"; target="_blank">synearth.net</a> but its from <a href="http://www.salon.com"; target="_blank">salon.com</a>



I think it really hits the nails on the head...



Our president is a joke, a fake, a novice in spiffy clothing... a puppet... suffering from dillusions of grandeur...



<a href="http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2002/02/14/iraq/index_np.html"; target="_blank">Axis of stupidity...</a>



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Good for you! You found an article that backs up what you think! If I wanted to I could do a quick Google search and find about 50 backing up my opinion that our President is not as stupid as you claim he is, that he never has been, and that he will continue to grow in his role as president of the US.

pfflam

I'm not gonna weigh in on wether he is stupid or not.



but by quoting that article about the Kaplan book I come away with two things: "golly he read a book"

Well it might not be Emanuel Kant, but at least its not Zane Gray!

torifile

The thing is, there's right media and there's left media. And you can always find someone spouting off on thing or another either because they believe it or they want to generate a controversy. It's usually the latter.

the toolboi

This is dangerous grounds to tread on, especially considering that AI is rather right-wing, and is DEFINATLY supportive of the curent administration.

Also, that link gives very little evidence.

Another thing that you must be willing to face here, is that there ARE NO FACTS. For every "reputable source" that shows one thing, theres another "reputable source" saying that its another.

Of course theres also some fun interplay of words and rhetoric that go on to fit those sources to their arguments, but thats what debating is all about

pusherman

Toolboi is right. I'm far from a Bush supporter. But there's very little substance there. At least post something about how he's alienating our allies and undoing democratic efforts in Iran and the dialogue between South and North Korea. Or about how he's asking scientists to censor their research ? or in some cases, not even perform it. Or about how he's letting his court jester ? err, attorney general ? run amok like an eighth grader on a power trip. Frankly I'm just glad that he's reading at all.

wrong robot

[quote]Originally posted by Mac Guru:

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That reply was



NOT PC!



GASP!!!!

ghost_user_name

[quote]Originally posted by poor taylor:

<strong>Toolboi is right. I'm far from a Bush supporter. But there's very little substance there. At least post something about how he's alienating our allies and undoing democratic efforts in Iran...</strong><hr></blockquote>



That's a laugh. He's supporting "democratic efforts". The people of Iran heard him loud and clear.

pfflam

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That reply was



NOT PC!



GASP!!!!



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Yeah, mybe, but that image is so damn funny!! <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" />

applenut

Never really cared for Bush but I'm starting to like him.



He's like Elmer Fudd (sp?) hunting rabbits. <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" />

corvette

[quote]Originally posted by applenut:

<strong>Never really cared for Bush but I'm starting to like him.



He's like Elmer Fudd (sp?) hunting rabbits. <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>



And osama bin laden is Bugs Bunny, with bill clinton as daffy duck.

pusherman

that analogy is so believable it's scary (especially clinton as daffy...)

outsider

I would expect people to say Bush is Yosamity Sam.