First Look: Pairing the new 2010 17 inch MacBook Pro with iPad

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in Current Mac Hardware edited January 2014
Apple's latest revision of its 17" MacBook Pro boasts better performance and a lower price tag. With an iPad companion for working on the go, is it now less important to have a highly portable notebook?



Ever since Apple delivered its first 17" notebook back in 2003, the model has tempted users with a high resolution, dazzling screen that was also significantly more expensive and less mobile than the more mainstream 15" model. Often dubbed the "aircraft carrier" due to its expansive width necessary to accommodate its widescreen display, Apple's high end notebook model has historically served a professional niche that cared more about lots of pixels than weight or cost.



With the 2010 model however, Apple has dropped the base price of the 17" MacBook Pro by $200, despite its getting a significantly faster CPU and GPU. This makes it just $300 more than the similarly equipped 15" model, which has not changed in price relative to its last revision. Externally, the new unibody MacBooks look identical to the previous batch from last summer.



The MacBook Pros ship in a simple box with little more than a power adapter and the usual regulatory papers and Apple stickers. There's also the customary two DVDs for restoring Mac OS X and the included apps.









Mini Me: 17" MacBook Pro and iPad



In addition to the 17" model now being tantalizingly closer in price to the 15" model, there's also a new reason for notebook users to worry less about how much their machine weighs and how big it is: iPad. Having positioned iPad as a new product category between the handheld iPhone and the full powered MacBook line, Apple appears to be working to make the high end MacBook Pro that much more attractive to users on the go with mixed needs.



Pairing the 17" MacBook Pro with an iPad gives you a vast, beautiful desktop experience that can travel between the office and home, while also enabling increased handheld mobility when you're doing things that don't demand the full notebook experience, such as browsing the web from the couch or watching movies while commuting or flying across country.



The two machines sport very similar lines, with the same glossy screens, the same minimalist aluminum bodies, and the same rounded off edges to their rigid unibody designs milled from blocks of metal. They look like they belong together.











Advantages of the 17" MacBook Pro



If you subscribe to Apple's vision for pairing the MacBook with an iPad, then the high end 17" version becomes even more attractive: it delivers a beautiful, vast 1920x1200 resolution display that debuted in January 2009 with the unibody construction version of the big screen MacBook Pro (previous 17" models had delivered a 1680x1050 screen).



That gives the 17" MacBook Pro the same high pixel density as iPad: 132 PPI. That's the greatest pixel density of any notebook or desktop Mac (the new high resolution 1680x1050 option for the 15" model takes it to 128 PPI, and costs $100 extra, one third the cost of upgrading to the 17" version.)



If you work with lots of documents on screen at once, or simply value seeing the most real estate possible when using Final Cut Pro or Photoshop or simply browsing the web, the 17" MacBook Pro gives you the most pixels per inch (and the most pixels!) of any Mac. And you can still carry it around.



The other unique features of the 17" model are its three USB ports (rather than two on the 15" model) and its ExpressCard/34 slot (rather than just an SD Card slot on other MacBook models.) If you want an SD Card slot reader, you can get one for the 17" model's ExpressCard slot for about $20. The card slot comes in handy if you want to use 3G WWAN card or have some specialized need for an interface like eSATA or additional Firewire ports, although Apple's says its surveys show that only 10% of users ever actually use the ExpressCard slot. If you're in that minority of users who need it, the 17" is the only way to get it on a MacBook.



Like other new MacBook Pro models, the 17" now ships with the right angle MagSafe power connector similar to the MacBook Air. While you can still use existing adapters with square MagSafe connectors, the 17" and 15" models' power adapters supply 85 watts, so if you use older versions (or the 60 watt adapter intended for the 13" MacBook Pro), it will take longer to charge. The new MagSafe design looks a bit slicker, directs the power cable backward, and appears to be a little more resistant to wear and tear than the original square design.







On page 2 of 2: Disadvantages, build to order options.



Disadvantages of the 17" MacBook Pro



Apart from being $300 more, the 17" version is a pound heavier than the 15" model and 1.1" wider and 0.7" deeper (it's also a hair thicker). It won't fit into sleeves for 15" models, and won't fit into a variety of bags or backpacks intended for "regular sized" laptops.



If you want a highly mobile notebook, the 17" will test your ability to lug around that extra size and bulk just to enjoy a wider, denser screen. But again, depending on your circumstances and needs, you might be able to balance your desire for a larger display with the increased mobility of an iPad.



Apple also offers a cheaper 2.4GHz Core i5 520M version of the 15" for $200 less (it also ships with a smaller 320GB hard drive rather than a 500GB disk), while the 17" model is only available starting with a 2.53GHz Core i5 540M. Both models offer the option to upgrade to the even faster 2.66GHz, Core i7 620M for $200 more.



However, all models of the 17" MacBook Pro come with 512MB of graphics memory for the NVIDIA GeFore GT 330M. Only the high end i7 option on the 15" model includes 512MB; the first two models only provide 256MB of RAM. So there is a difference between the "similarly equipped" 15" and 17" MacBooks when it comes to graphics performance from dedicated video RAM, even if the CPU and GPU are the same.



The 17" model has a slightly larger battery but carries the same rating of "8-9 hours of wireless productivity." All together, the only real disadvantage to the 17" model is its size and weight and a slightly higher price tag. So if you've had your eye on the 17" notebook but were worried it was just too big to take everywhere, the $300 discount might convince you to pair it with an iPad and use them together to balance your needs for power and pixels with lightweight portability.







Build to order options on the 17" MacBook Pro



When ordering the 17" model, there are a few configuration options. The Core i7 processor costs $200 more. According to Anandtech, the i7 MacBook Pro upgrade delivers a noticeable performance boost of about 10-15%, thanks to its 11% increase in clock speed and a 33% increase in L3 cache, making it a reasonable option for users who want the most bang for their buck.



For an extra $400, Apple will replace the standard 4GB of RAM with a maxed out 8GB. Third party RAM dealers will sell you an 8GB kit for around $350, plus they're give you $50 back for providing your 2x2GB parts. That's about a $100 (25%) savings if you don't mind doing the simple upgrade yourself. Apple's RAM prices aren't egregiously ridiculous, so if you want to just pay for it and have it done in one step, you can do so at a premium that at least isn't completely absurd as was once the case, but if you're on a budget, you might want to get the stock RAM and upgrade later as RAM prices continue to drop.



Apple's disk storage options are slightly less reasonable and compelling, with the only hard drive option being an upgrade to a 7200 rpm, 500GB disk (the standard configuration is a 5400 rpm, 500GB drive) for $50. The only reason for using a 5400 rpm disk would be power consumption or perhaps heat, because a 7200 rpm drive really only costs about $30 more. Either Apple is being cheap about the stock configuration, or its offering an overpriced upgrade option, or both. For $120, you can buy a faster replacement disk and keep the drive you notebook shipped with for use in an external USB or Firewire enclosure.



Apple's upgrade fees for SSD drives are very expensive, but that's largely because the drives are still very pricey. Even so, the company's upgrade prices are close to the component costs of drives you can find online, so if you pay Apple's upgrade fees, you're essentially throwing away the value of the stock drive (nearly $100). If that doesn't matter to you, then you might want to shell out $200 for the 128GB SSD, $650 for 256GB drive, or a whopping $1300 for a 512GB SDD. Otherwise, you might try to make do with your conventional HDD and wait for SSD prices to come down.



If you prefer the matte finish screen to Apple's default super glossy display, you can order that for a $50 premium. On the 15" model, you have to opt for the high resolution display in order to get the matte finish screen, so all together it costs a $150 premium over the base price.







More about the MacBook Pros



For a general overview on the common features of the unibody MacBooks see: Apple's unibody MacBook Pro: an in-depth review.



Compare the entry level 13" MacBook in: Review: Apple's redesigned, late 2009 13-inch MacBook



Watch for the AppleInsider full review of the latest generation of MacBook Pros, their new Arrandale Core i5/i7 CPUs, and the new Intel HD and NVIDIA GeForce GT 330M graphics architecture.



Where to Buy



Several Apple Authorized Resellers are offering discounts of up to $250 on Apple's new MacBook Pros through the addition of rebates and instant discount coupons exclusively for AppleInsider readers, all of which can be seen in our Mac Price Guide. The segment of the price guide listing the current MacBook Pros can be seen below, though resellers are also offering up to $450 off previous-generation models as detailed in the Previous Generation Macs (2009) section of the guide.



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  • Reply 1 of 86
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by AppleInsider View Post


    With the 2010 model however, Apple has dropped the base price of the 17" MacBook Pro by $200, despite its getting a significantly faster CPU and GPU.



    If I'm not mistaken this price drop is simply because Apple is no longer starting the 17" MacBook Pro with the same processor as the high-end 15" model, but instead starting with the same processor as the mid-range 15" MacBook Pro. It's not really a big deal though since Apple is only charging $200 to upgrade to the Core i7 as in the high-end 15" MacBook Pro so they are making the 17" line more accessible. It does show that the processor selection has been compacted though since both the high-end 15" and 17" models used to have an additional BTO model available. I was hoping that Apple could convince Intel to make a special 2.8GHz Core i7 with the same 35W TDP for use as that additional BTO, but I guess that didn't work out so well.
  • Reply 2 of 86
    solipsismsolipsism Posts: 25,726member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by AppleInsider View Post


    The new MagSafe design looks a bit slicker, directs the power cable backward, and appears to be a little more resistant to wear and tear than the original square design.



    It might be time for a MagSafe redesign with a beveled, not squared, connector. With the previous design the cable coming straight out from the plug meant that quickly pulls would not affect the notebook but the perpendicular cable can tug on the notebook as there is a lip that can action can resist against when pulled.
  • Reply 3 of 86
    synpsynp Posts: 248member
    I don't get the idea of pairing a big notebook with an iPad.



    Basically, they're saying that you can get the big notebook, because its portability is now less important - you have the iPad for the portability. So you don't need to lug around the big notebook when you're going home or on a business trip, just take the iPad with you.



    But if the notebook has become stationary, why do we even need it to be a laptop? An iMac or even a Mini with a screen will give you:
    • A better keyboard

    • An even bigger screen

    • A real mouse

    • A bigger, faster hard disk

    • A lower price

    • All that without fiddling with a lot of little cables - Mac laptops don't have docks.

    All this, of course, depends on the iPad fulfilling all you mobile needs. If it doesn't, well, you're stuck lugging that 17" laptop around.
  • Reply 4 of 86
    nasdarqnasdarq Posts: 137member
    And what about having one 15" Macbook Pro that does everything, rather than buying a more expensive 17" + an iPad to compensate for its lesser portability?
  • Reply 5 of 86
    ituomasituomas Posts: 35member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by AppleInsider View Post


    If you subscribe to Apple's vision for pairing the MacBook with an iPad, then the high end 17" version becomes even more attractive: it delivers a beautiful, vast 1920x1200 resolution display that debuted in January 2009 with the unibody construction version of the big screen MacBook Pro (previous 17" models had delivered a 1680x1050 screen).



    Actually, the 1920x1200 resolution was available as a configuration option since the Mid 2007 models were introduced.
  • Reply 6 of 86
    solipsismsolipsism Posts: 25,726member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by synp View Post


    I don't get the idea of pairing a big notebook with an iPad.



    Basically, they're saying that you can get the big notebook, because its portability is now less important - you have the iPad for the portability. So you don't need to lug around the big notebook when you're going home or on a business trip, just take the iPad with you.



    But if the notebook has become stationary, why do we even need it to be a laptop? An iMac or even a Mini with a screen will give you:
    • A better keyboard

    • An even bigger screen

    • A real mouse

    • A bigger, faster hard disk

    • A lower price

    • All that without fiddling with a lot of little cables - Mac laptops don't have docks.

    All this, of course, depends on the iPad fulfilling all you mobile needs. If it doesn't, well, you're stuck lugging that 17" laptop around.



    I think you may be reading too much into it. Besides there being clear cases in which a 17" notebook could still be needed for travel while an iPad does lite consumption of data in other ways.



    I have a 13" MBP, clearly much smaller than a 17" MBP, yet I bought an iPad and it still complemented by computing needs in ways I hadn't thought of. Bathroom use for starters.



    Regardless, I think the article inclusion and pics were just to show these new Apple products off next to each other to get an idea of scale between the two.
  • Reply 7 of 86
    zunxzunx Posts: 620member
    Unfortunately, there is a big, big, big problem: the iPad is NOT a Mac. The truth is that the Mac and the iPad are not compatible when working with Apple iWork and with Microsoft Office files.



    The main reason for that is the different microprocessors (Intel on Mac and ARM on iPad). So, in practice, what is needed is an iBook mini or a MacBook Air mini. Sign the petition and more information here:



    http://macbookair10.net

    http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=896211
  • Reply 8 of 86
    solipsismsolipsism Posts: 25,726member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by nasdarq View Post


    And what about having one 15" Macbook Pro that does everything, rather than buying a more expensive 17" + an iPad to compensate for its lesser portability?



    I think that is bit of strawman. I recall a similar argument against the iPhone in early 2007 after it was introduced. "Screen too small to do adequately use for the internet..." "I have a basic cellphone for calls and a notebook for computing..."
  • Reply 9 of 86
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by zunx View Post


    Unfortunately, there is a big, big, big problem: the iPad is NOT a Mac. The truth is that the Mac and the iPad are not compatible when working with Apple iWork and with Microsoft Office files.



    The main reason for that is the different microprocessors (Intel on Mac and ARM on iPad). So, in practice, what is needed is an iBook mini or a MacBook Air mini. Sign the petition and more information here:



    http://macbookair10.net

    http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=896211



    Ugh, you'll never learn, will you? The iPad is meant to fill that "MacBook Air mini" category. "It is not good for Pro use" you'll say, but then again fitting pro hardware on a 9" screen would surely cost an absurd amount of money. Making it even less attractive than the MBA. Therefore placing it on a niche. No thanks.
  • Reply 10 of 86
    cbswecbswe Posts: 116member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by zunx View Post


    Unfortunately, there is a big, big, big problem: the iPad is NOT a Mac. The truth is that the Mac and the iPad are not compatible when working with Apple iWork and with Microsoft Office files.



    The main reason for that is the different microprocessors (Intel on Mac and ARM on iPad). So, in practice, what is needed is an iBook mini or a MacBook Air mini. Sign the petition and more information here:



    http://macbookair10.net

    http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=896211



    You're basically suggesting a netbook.

    And Apple's made it pretty clear they're not into netbooks at all.



    I also want to add a obvious reason for why it would be a sub-par product.

    Mac OS X (not the iPhone OS-version, the real deal) looks considerably worse in a resolution fitting

    a screen that is less then 13''. Just try setting your resolution at 1024x768.

    It will look even worse then that with a 10'' screen.
  • Reply 11 of 86
    gotapplegotapple Posts: 115member
    Lower price tag? Where? Here in Europe the 17" MBP costs 2249 euros. That is around 2900USD... In the States it costs 2299USD. So 600USD less than here in Europe. Why is that?
  • Reply 12 of 86
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    Originally Posted by Cbswe View Post


    You're basically suggesting a netbook.

    And Apple's made it pretty clear they're not into netbooks at all.



    Moreover, I'd guess the import issues with iWork may disappear once iWork '10 arrives.
  • Reply 13 of 86
    nasdarqnasdarq Posts: 137member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by solipsism View Post


    I think that is bit of strawman. I recall a similar argument against the iPhone in early 2007 after it was introduced. "Screen too small to do adequately use for the internet..." "I have a basic cellphone for calls and a notebook for computing..."



    The difference is that the iPad is not a phone, with (so far) very limited computing capabilities - not much different from those of the iPhone.



    The success of the iPhone is exactly in the fact that it can be a standalone device, and is not needed to supplement another. So I guess you neglect the point that this AI article appears to advocate.
  • Reply 14 of 86
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    Originally Posted by gotApple View Post


    Lower price tag? Where? Here in Europe it still costs >2100 euros...



    That's because you have something called "higher taxes". The good thing about it is that at least European governments do :something: good with most of the taxes. Unlike here in Brazil, where taxes go up to 50% and none of the public services are of any good. And I don't mean "good" in the whiny way, I'm being serious here: our healthcare and education systems are practically nonexistent, and national infrastructure is a mess at best. That's what you get when half the government is made of ex-terrorists and thieves (once again, I'm being serious).



    The $1200 MBP over here costs $1800. That's because Apple US came over here to kick Apple Brazil's a$$ for abusive pricing last year. Before then, the same MBP cost $2500. That's what I payed for mine \



    I hope I injected some sense on you 1st world people with this.
  • Reply 15 of 86
    nasdarqnasdarq Posts: 137member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by solipsism View Post


    iPad complemented by computing needs in ways I hadn't thought of. Bathroom use for starters.



    let's not forget that it's also the first true computer for cats:



    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9NP-AeKX40
  • Reply 16 of 86
    solipsismsolipsism Posts: 25,726member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by gotApple View Post


    Lower price tag? Where? Here in Europe it still costs >2100 euros...



    The article clearly referred to the US.





    Quote:
    Originally Posted by nasdarq View Post


    The difference is that the iPad is not a phone, with (so far) very limited computing capabilities - not much different from those of the iPhone.



    I found it hard to go back to the iPhone after the using the iPad for a day. The icons, text, everything is much more limited. The iPad is a great consumption device. Surely, if you have a notebook and a smartphone your window is smaller than those with a desktop and dumb-phone, but it does have its place and looks to me that it trumps pretty much everything people buy netbooks for.



    Quote:

    The success of the iPhone is exactly in the fact that it can be a standalone device, and is not needed to supplement another. So I guess you neglect the point that this AI article appears to advocate.



    The iPhone is a standalone device but the iPad isn't? I'm not following. Both are well suited for their usage but both are still satellite computing devices to supplement PC usage.
  • Reply 17 of 86
    anonymouseanonymouse Posts: 6,860member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by solipsism View Post


    I think you may be reading too much into it. Besides there being clear cases in which a 17" notebook could still be needed for travel while an iPad does lite consumption of data in other ways.



    I have a 13" MBP, clearly much smaller than a 17" MBP, yet I bought an iPad and it still complemented by computing needs in ways I hadn't thought of. Bathroom use for starters.



    Regardless, I think the article inclusion and pics were just to show these new Apple products off next to each other to get an idea of scale between the two.



    I still think the iMac + iPad makes more sense for most people than MBP 17" + iPad, and would have made for a more sensible article. The premise of this article seems to be, buy 2 portables so you can leave one at home.
  • Reply 18 of 86
    kibitzerkibitzer Posts: 1,114member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by solipsism View Post


    I have a 13" MBP, clearly much smaller than a 17" MBP, yet I bought an iPad and it still complemented by computing needs in ways I hadn't thought of. Bathroom use for starters.



    Standing up or sitting down? Are you using your iPad one-handed or just standing there taking your chances?!
  • Reply 19 of 86
    msnlymsnly Posts: 378member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by anonymouse View Post


    I still think the iMac + iPad makes more sense for most people than MBP 17" + iPad, and would have made for a more sensible article. The premise of this article seems to be, buy 2 portables so you can leave one at home.



    I have an iPad and a 17" MBP, but I originally had a MBA instead of the iPad. This set up works well for me because I don't always like sitting at a desk but sometimes I need more than my iPad.
  • Reply 20 of 86
    nasdarqnasdarq Posts: 137member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by solipsism View Post


    The iPhone is a standalone device but the iPad isn't? I'm not following. Both are well suited for their usage but both are still satellite computing devices to supplement PC usage.



    I'm talking about the point that can be inferred from this AI article. It weakens the argument of the iPad as a stand-alone device.



    I personally think the iPad may well become a proper stand-alone category in a way the netbooks have become. But it seems a rather long distance, so far.
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