Yankees vs. Red Sox
Ok, who's excited about this 4 game series? It should be a good one. Both teams are coming off two game losing 'streaks', so no one really has more momentum.
As predicted by many people from around New England, Roger Clemens managed to weasal out of pitching against Pedro Martinez again, getting moved up in the rotation by one day so he doesn't have to pitch against Boston at all.
Hehe. Maybe tomorrow they should get the 'Game 3' chant going again. "Where is Roger? ...... Where is Roger?........"
Any way, the Red Sox starting pitcher has been great so far this season, which is a huge relief to the fans. If Pedro can hold up tomorrow, he should be all right for the season.
As for the series itself, it features a game tomorrow night, a game Saturday afternoon, a game Sunday afternoon, and a game Monday morning. The game starts on Monday morning because it is Patriots Day, and while not a 'national holiday', it's a big deal in MA due to Lexington and Concord, etc. As a result, there is no school, lots of businesses are closed and they run the Boston marathon. They start the game early so when the fans are leaving, they can catch the end of the race in Boston. It's a pretty cool idea.
Any way, it's a new year of baseball and looks to be an interesting weekend of two big rivals (even if it still is only April).
As predicted by many people from around New England, Roger Clemens managed to weasal out of pitching against Pedro Martinez again, getting moved up in the rotation by one day so he doesn't have to pitch against Boston at all.
Hehe. Maybe tomorrow they should get the 'Game 3' chant going again. "Where is Roger? ...... Where is Roger?........"
Any way, the Red Sox starting pitcher has been great so far this season, which is a huge relief to the fans. If Pedro can hold up tomorrow, he should be all right for the season.
As for the series itself, it features a game tomorrow night, a game Saturday afternoon, a game Sunday afternoon, and a game Monday morning. The game starts on Monday morning because it is Patriots Day, and while not a 'national holiday', it's a big deal in MA due to Lexington and Concord, etc. As a result, there is no school, lots of businesses are closed and they run the Boston marathon. They start the game early so when the fans are leaving, they can catch the end of the race in Boston. It's a pretty cool idea.
Any way, it's a new year of baseball and looks to be an interesting weekend of two big rivals (even if it still is only April).
Comments
1) Roger did not weasel out...that is the most tired Boston-we hate losing and we cling to anything to feel good about our miserable selves-bs....Roger has proven his worth. Give it a rest (and yeah, he's had his moments, but nothing justifying the disingenuousness of Red Sox fans).
2) "If Pedro can hold up tomorrow, he should be all right for the season." Hello? Has he ever broken down that early in the season? No, it always has been towards the All-Star break. Again, naive Red Sox, hope-spring eternal nonsense.
3) The Yankeees' have plenty more momentum...all the way back to 1918.
-Jennings
actually I think they'll sweep but I'll be conservative
Today was very frustrating...A Giants fan turned a catchable Dodgers deep fly into a home run...Dodgers won 4-3.
Besides for Mets-Braves, this is definately a great rivalry.
Did you see the Opening Day game or know anything about it? He pitched horribly, and every Red Sox fan was worried about his future. He only pitched until the third inning and gave up tons of runs. Then he pitched very well in his last start. He figured out what he was doing wrong. So my point was that if he pitches 'well' today (pitches through 6 innings), he's all right.
[quote]Roger did not weasel out...that is the most tired Boston-we hate losing and we cling to anything to feel good about our miserable selves-bs....Roger has proven his worth.<hr></blockquote>
Hehehe. I love this one. Roger asked to be moved up in the rotation yesterday so he would not have to pitch against the Red Sox in Fenway Park. Historically, since he has been with the Yankees, the only times he has been 'hurt' has been when he had to face the Red Sox at home. He makes up 'phantom injuries', and its actually well documented. He'd do anything to get out of pitching.
The only reason that he pitched in the 1999 ALCS Game 3 at Fenway Park was because it was an important playoff game. His performance at that game was so embarassing that he was literally heckled out of the park! <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" />
[quote]Again, naive Red Sox, hope-spring eternal nonsense. <hr></blockquote>
Wait a minute, are you already counting the Red Sox out in April? Considering all of the progress they've made since they have made since the end of last year (new owners, ousting of Everett, the signing of Tony Clark, and healthy players), it's way to early to say that they are done. <img src="graemlins/oyvey.gif" border="0" alt="[No]" />
Remember folks, it is not yet the time of year for them to fold.
THIS IS THE YEAR!
Mandricard
AppleOutsider
<strong>Fran, a few points:
1) Roger did not weasel out...that is the most tired Boston-we hate losing and we cling to anything to feel good about our miserable selves-bs....Roger has proven his worth. Give it a rest (and yeah, he's had his moments, but nothing justifying the disingenuousness of Red Sox fans).
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Yeah, Roger has proven his worth to the Yankees. That's one reason why Red Sox fans hate him so much. His last years in Boston he seemed to resent the idea that he needed to prove his worth to the Red Sox. His last 4 years in Boston he had a 40-39 record - not very impressive. Only one of those years (1994) was his poor record due to a lack of run support. In 2 of those years his ERA was over 4 runs per game! Moreover, he was not a "money" pitcher in Boston. His best post season ERA in Boston is over a run larger than his worst post season ERA in New York. Try and talk your way around these stats all you want. They don't lie and there's nothing disingenuous about them.
So the Yankees now have one of those 'rare' 3 game losing streaks. I bet the boss won't be happy about that!
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Yeah, Roger has proven his worth to the Yankees. That's one reason why Red Sox fans hate him so much. His last years in Boston he seemed to resent the idea that he needed to prove his worth to the Red Sox. His last 4 years in Boston he had a 40-39 record - not very impressive. Only one of those years (1994) was his poor record due to a lack of run support. In 2 of those years his ERA was over 4 runs per game! Moreover, he was not a "money" pitcher in Boston. His best post season ERA in Boston is over a run larger than his worst post season ERA in New York. Try and talk your way around these stats all you want. They don't lie and there's nothing disingenuous about them.</strong><hr></blockquote>
I guess you could say the same thing about Curt Shilling as well huh. He must have just hated Philly. You know, considering he's pitching so much better in Arizona.
The Yankees have played ugly the last few games. Bad pitching and poor clutch hitting <img src="graemlins/oyvey.gif" border="0" alt="[No]" />
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I guess you could say the same thing about Curt Shilling as well huh. He must have just hated Philly. You know, considering he's pitching so much better in Arizona.
Really? <a href="http://www.sportsline.com/u/baseball/mlb/players/playoff/8052_playoff.htm"; target="_blank">How so</a>? Schilling's postseason numbers last year were the stuff legends are made of but he produced for Philly too. You can't say the same for Roger in Boston. He just never came through for us when October came around.
Also, the difference between Schilling's <a href="http://www.sportsline.com/u/baseball/mlb/players/player_8052.htm"; target="_blank">regular season stats</a> from Philly to Arizona isn't nearly as great as <a href="http://www.sportsline.com/u/baseball/mlb/players/player_7520.htm"; target="_blank">Roger's</a> when he went from Boston to Toronto.
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Really? <a href="http://www.sportsline.com/u/baseball/mlb/players/playoff/8052_playoff.htm"; target="_blank">How so</a>? Schilling's postseason numbers last year were the stuff legends are made of but he produced for Philly too. You can't say the same for Roger in Boston. He just never came through for us when October came around.
Also, the difference between Schilling's <a href="http://www.sportsline.com/u/baseball/mlb/players/player_8052.htm"; target="_blank">regular season stats</a> from Philly to Arizona isn't nearly as great as <a href="http://www.sportsline.com/u/baseball/mlb/players/player_7520.htm"; target="_blank">Roger's</a> when he went from Boston to Toronto.
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what are you talking about? October never comes around for you guys
And don't say Roger didn't do extremely well for the Red Sox because he did. A the end he may have had a few "poor" years but who doesn't.
BTW, Pedro looks horrible. He held the Yankees down but all that was special about him appears to be lost. Such a shame <img src="graemlins/oyvey.gif" border="0" alt="[No]" />
<strong>BTW, Pedro looks horrible.</strong><hr></blockquote>
He was throwing 95 mph heat. If that's horrible, I'd take that anytime.
If you want to talk about horrible, let's talk about Yankee fielding and relief pitching. Bernie Williams missed a fly ball in center field that hit him in the glove. Mendoza and Rivera were awful.
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It's all a matter of perspective. Actually, most people here would say that Pedro didn't look bad at all, especially from coming off rotator cuff surgery. After opening day, a lot of people thought he was finished, but he's looking very good right now, all things considered.
Considering that he's making progress every day and getting back into his rhythm every time he pitches, I don't see how you can count him out already. Are you saying the last two innings he pitched weren't typical of the 'healthy' Pedro Martinez? Other than the first inning when he was still really warming up, he looked fine to me.
The thing that really lost the game for the Yankees was their inability to turn a double play. If they had turned those two double plays earlier in the game, especially the one that Giambi bobbled, you might have seen a different outcome.
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what are you talking about? October never comes around for you guys
I'm talking about how in '86 it was Bruce Hurst who carried the BoSox into the World Series. I'm talking about later years when they'd win the division and then lose to Oakland. Dave Stewart owned Clemens back then.
[quote]<strong>And don't say Roger didn't do extremely well for the Red Sox because he did. A the end he may have had a few "poor" years but who doesn't. </strong><hr></blockquote>
He never produced for the Sox in the postseason. And I can accept someone having a few bad years but why did he think he deserved a raise after that long dry spell? His pride was hurt because a lot of people were beginning to think he was past his prime back in 1995. It's not like the numbers backed him up. In 1997 he went out and proved his doubters wrong. Good for him. That still doesn't change the fact that for the 4 years prior to that he pitched nowhere near that level. Oh and guess what. None of his paychecks bounced during those 4 years.
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He was throwing 95 mph heat. If that's horrible, I'd take that anytime.
If you want to talk about horrible, let's talk about Yankee fielding and relief pitching. Bernie Williams missed a fly ball in center field that hit him in the glove. Mendoza and Rivera were awful.
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he threw a handful of pitches above at around 94 MPH. So I wouldn't say he was throwing 95 mph heat.
Horrible fielding? Three of the best guys at what they do screw up and all of a sudden they are horrible. great.
Rivera threw one bad pitch that got over the strikezone. It happens aout 3 times a year. Enjoy because it won't happen next time.
[quote]It's all a matter of perspective. Actually, most people here would say that Pedro didn't look bad at all, especially from coming off rotator cuff surgery. After opening day, a lot of people thought he was finished, but he's looking very good right now, all things considered.<hr></blockquote>
give me a break. he doesn't look good. believe what you want because he's your only hope but he doesn't have the overpowering fastball anymore and the thing that made him special, movement on the ball, is nothing anymore.
[quote] Are you saying the last two innings he pitched weren't typical of the 'healthy' Pedro Martinez? Other than the first inning when he was still really warming up, he looked fine to me.<hr></blockquote>
again, you're in denial. you know damn well that he is pitching no where near like he was only a year ago.
[quote]He never produced for the Sox in the postseason. And I can accept someone having a few bad years but why did he think he deserved a raise after that long dry spell?<hr></blockquote>
because he was still one of the premier pitchers in the league and everyone else was getting more money.
[quote]In 1997 he went out and proved his doubters wrong. Good for him. That still doesn't change the fact that for the 4 years prior to that he pitched nowhere near that level. Oh and guess what. None of his paychecks bounced during those 4 years.<hr></blockquote>
you sox fans are big babies man. <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" />
He never produced for the Sox in the postseason. And I can accept someone having a few bad years but why did he think he deserved a raise after that long dry spell?
<strong>because he was still one of the premier pitchers in the league...</strong><hr></blockquote>
Back then he wasn't. Or at least he wasn't performing like one for the Red Sox anymore. That's just a fact. Talk your way around it all you want. His record is his record.