Yes, and I can assume that for you Palestinians are purely victims here, right? Get over yourself. Everybody is dead, flat, utterly, damnably wrong over there, so get off your soap box (a very safe distance from the real tragedies I might point out). Palestinians have a right to resist Israeli occupation. Israel has the right to exist. Both sides have taken the absolute wrong approaches to their battle for existence, which of course only fuels even more evil acts. No one here is a victim. They are all wrong. They can all go to hell.
"Riyadh, Saudi Arabia - A Saudi telethon raised more than $92 million for the Palestinians by late Friday - nearly a third of it from a prince whose donation to the victims of the Sept. 11 attacks was rejected by former New York City Mayor Rudolph Giuliani."
Really, only one side of the story? Saudi Arabia has been financing terrorism for all of the Muslim extremists for decades...give some slack...
Oh, and yes...I do believe the world is going to sh!t. That good 'ol time religion...and the Saudi's are the scum of the Earth.
<strong>Yes, and I can assume that for you Palestinians are purely victims here, right? Get over yourself. Everybody is dead, flat, utterly, damnably wrong over there, so get off your soap box (a very safe distance from the real tragedies I might point out). Palestinians have a right to resist Israeli occupation. Israel has the right to exist. Both sides have taken the absolute wrong approaches to their battle for existence, which of course only fuels even more evil acts. No one here is a victim. They are all wrong. They can all go to hell.</strong><hr></blockquote>
I agree with you. I don't know anything about how the conflict started over there but I personally believe that both sides are wrong..
<strong>$92 million v. the billions Israel gets from the U.S. alone... hmmm.
They're both immoral screwups, but let's not start acting like they're equals.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Agreed, but this was a telethon. I watched some of it and it was sickening. School children in Saudi Arabia making slingshots to be donated for the young "martyrs" to stone the Israeli solders in the streets? Sickening!
So I guess you're right they are both (no all, including USA) equally immoral screwups.
Eh the Middle East is the most miss-guided, screwed up, miss-educated, ill-informed, ruthless, vengefull, and sick part of the whole damn world. Always has been, always will be. No one has any respect for anyone else. They just resort to massacures, and suicide bombing's. That do nothing for either side, but dig a bigger grave for their fat ignorant selves. It would be nice if we could cut all our oil imports from the middle east and cut the bastards off before their spiral of death bring's down the whole world. Earth isnt messed up, just the damn middle east. The word 'sense' has no meaning over there.
Where are all the pics of the terrorists blowing up themselves and innocent people? Has your jaded, biased media been hiding them? Do people really think that one side is better than the other?
I agree with you. I don't know anything about how the conflict started over there but I personally believe that both sides are wrong..</strong><hr></blockquote>
From what I've pieced together, the problems really got bad with British Mandate Palestine...Palestinians then had a land to themselves, but it was under British control...then that got revoked and The UN Partition Plan went into effect. Basically, all the West Bank, Gaza, and a few other bits and pieces were designated Palestine. The other half of the area was given to Israel. Jerusalem, completely surrounded by Palestinian territory, was designated an international area.
Israel seemed content with its share. Palestine got wound up in an Egyptian/Jordanian ploy to attack Israel...and they blindly allowed troops from those countries to enter Palestine and fight Israel 'for Palestine.'
Israel fought back and decimated Palestine, taking much of the land. Egypt and Jordan each took a piece of the pie too. Egypt was content with Gaza and Jordan had gained much of the West Bank.
In my eye, the 20th century clashes were not started by the Israelis.
<sarcasm>I think both sides are evil and so is the U.S. we should all kill ourselves and save the trees while in the process. And damn those Israeli people Don't they know if they fight back then there is twice as much fighting. They should just let the suicide bombers keep killing them. Then we can all feel good about how there isn't a warzone with civilian casualties. Well except for the ones in the israeli neighborhoods. And maybe the jews dont have a right to exsist. I mean didnt they bring down Germany at one time? </sarcasm>
C'mon, none of this conflict is new. Everyone knows Arabs hated Jews for centuries. Why does everyone have to pretend that they don't.
Ask yourselves this question, How do you reason or make peace with someone who wants you to die no matter what? Americans are finding themselves in the same position with other countries and even our own. After 9/11 we just don't know if our next trip to Starbucks® will be the last, but it isn't even close to what Israel has to worry about?
Why does everyone Sh!t on us? Who cares who made the frickin ambulances and armored cars. Hey guess where your gasoline came from, It was purchased from Saudi oil fields, with U.S. Money!. You know, the nation that held the telethon! By the way The U.S. gives a hell of a lot of foreign aid to the Palestinians too.
Oh I'm sorry I'm not a posting pro like you! I didn't read the title of the forum? I just blindly clicked on "Hey America You evil sons a bitches" or whatever it said.
There's nothing like pointing out the shortcomings of others and I hope it feels good!
Riiiight... Israel just wants its little alotment and no more. Noble, peaceful Israel.
FYI, ~30% of pre-Israel palestine was Jewish. ~65% was Arab. What essentially happened was that one race in the area got big guns and big money and big protection and one didn't. Israel has been protected by the U.S. in its internationally condemned activities for decades.
Noble, peaceful Israel. No Zionistic tendencies influencing anything, never.
Oh I'm sorry I'm not a posting pro like you! I didn't read the title of the forum? I just blindly clicked on "Hey America You evil sons a bitches" or whatever it said.
There's nothing like pointing out the shortcomings of others and I hope it feels good!</strong><hr></blockquote>
Your inability to recognize the forum you're posting in is a shortcoming? Well then...
Maybe if I didn't point it out, you'd still be unaware of your error. I like to think of it as community service.
Seriously though, it wasn't meant as an insult, I think others around here will know I tend not to do that. You need to relax a little if you're that high strung.
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"Riyadh, Saudi Arabia - A Saudi telethon raised more than $92 million for the Palestinians by late Friday - nearly a third of it from a prince whose donation to the victims of the Sept. 11 attacks was rejected by former New York City Mayor Rudolph Giuliani."
Really, only one side of the story? Saudi Arabia has been financing terrorism for all of the Muslim extremists for decades...give some slack...
Oh, and yes...I do believe the world is going to sh!t. That good 'ol time religion...and the Saudi's are the scum of the Earth.
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I have only one question though. Where are the pictures of the bombing victims from Israel to show both sides of the story?
They're both immoral screwups, but let's not start acting like they're equals.
<strong>Hey Oswald, Glad you could turn a Mac forum into a political arena so you can pedel your PLO propaganda!
I have only one question though. Where are the pictures of the bombing victims from Israel to show both sides of the story?</strong><hr></blockquote>
I thought this was AppleOutsider...
<strong>Yes, and I can assume that for you Palestinians are purely victims here, right? Get over yourself. Everybody is dead, flat, utterly, damnably wrong over there, so get off your soap box (a very safe distance from the real tragedies I might point out). Palestinians have a right to resist Israeli occupation. Israel has the right to exist. Both sides have taken the absolute wrong approaches to their battle for existence, which of course only fuels even more evil acts. No one here is a victim. They are all wrong. They can all go to hell.</strong><hr></blockquote>
I agree with you. I don't know anything about how the conflict started over there but I personally believe that both sides are wrong..
<strong>$92 million v. the billions Israel gets from the U.S. alone... hmmm.
They're both immoral screwups, but let's not start acting like they're equals.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Agreed, but this was a telethon. I watched some of it and it was sickening. School children in Saudi Arabia making slingshots to be donated for the young "martyrs" to stone the Israeli solders in the streets? Sickening!
So I guess you're right they are both (no all, including USA) equally immoral screwups.
And the Palestinians are absolute morons for throwing/sling-shotting rocks at people with automatic weapons.
Definately. If all you have is a slingshot, don't pick a fight with a trained soldier toting an M-16A2.
By all means - kill yourself. Just do it alone!
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I agree with you. I don't know anything about how the conflict started over there but I personally believe that both sides are wrong..</strong><hr></blockquote>
From what I've pieced together, the problems really got bad with British Mandate Palestine...Palestinians then had a land to themselves, but it was under British control...then that got revoked and The UN Partition Plan went into effect. Basically, all the West Bank, Gaza, and a few other bits and pieces were designated Palestine. The other half of the area was given to Israel. Jerusalem, completely surrounded by Palestinian territory, was designated an international area.
Israel seemed content with its share. Palestine got wound up in an Egyptian/Jordanian ploy to attack Israel...and they blindly allowed troops from those countries to enter Palestine and fight Israel 'for Palestine.'
Israel fought back and decimated Palestine, taking much of the land. Egypt and Jordan each took a piece of the pie too. Egypt was content with Gaza and Jordan had gained much of the West Bank.
In my eye, the 20th century clashes were not started by the Israelis.
C'mon, none of this conflict is new. Everyone knows Arabs hated Jews for centuries. Why does everyone have to pretend that they don't.
Ask yourselves this question, How do you reason or make peace with someone who wants you to die no matter what? Americans are finding themselves in the same position with other countries and even our own. After 9/11 we just don't know if our next trip to Starbucks® will be the last, but it isn't even close to what Israel has to worry about?
Why does everyone Sh!t on us? Who cares who made the frickin ambulances and armored cars. Hey guess where your gasoline came from, It was purchased from Saudi oil fields, with U.S. Money!. You know, the nation that held the telethon! By the way The U.S. gives a hell of a lot of foreign aid to the Palestinians too.
No one is our friend! We die alone!
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Oh I'm sorry I'm not a posting pro like you! I didn't read the title of the forum? I just blindly clicked on "Hey America You evil sons a bitches" or whatever it said.
There's nothing like pointing out the shortcomings of others and I hope it feels good!
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Riiiight... Israel just wants its little alotment and no more. Noble, peaceful Israel.
FYI, ~30% of pre-Israel palestine was Jewish. ~65% was Arab. What essentially happened was that one race in the area got big guns and big money and big protection and one didn't. Israel has been protected by the U.S. in its internationally condemned activities for decades.
Noble, peaceful Israel. No Zionistic tendencies influencing anything, never.
Don't read much do you. <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" />
Ok now that this has degraded into a mud-slinging flame-fest, im done.
if you want to talk go to "Violence in Israel/Palestine" and see some real views. No photos (well some about Jesus)
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Oh I'm sorry I'm not a posting pro like you! I didn't read the title of the forum? I just blindly clicked on "Hey America You evil sons a bitches" or whatever it said.
There's nothing like pointing out the shortcomings of others and I hope it feels good!</strong><hr></blockquote>
Your inability to recognize the forum you're posting in is a shortcoming? Well then...
Maybe if I didn't point it out, you'd still be unaware of your error. I like to think of it as community service.
Seriously though, it wasn't meant as an insult, I think others around here will know I tend not to do that. You need to relax a little if you're that high strung.