Stephen Wolfram's A New Kind of Science

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in General Discussion edited January 2014
Has anyone read it yet,I'm still waiting for my copy to come in the mail,which I ordered in December.



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  • Reply 1 of 14
    scott_h_phdscott_h_phd Posts: 448member
    I read about at NYT. It sounds like fractal/chaos theory to me. Is his addition that new or different? Or maybe I?m wrong about what his work?There may be some great stuff in there I can use so I'll read it.
  • Reply 2 of 14
    rick1138rick1138 Posts: 938member
    Actually its Cellular Automata theory,but he claims to have shown that all of the laws of physics and mathematics can be generated by CAs,at least that is my understanding.In itself it is not entriely new,but he has given CA theory a new depth and scope,this is basically the fully developed theory.What is "new" about this science is that it is described by algorithms rather than equations.I haven't read it yet,so I really can't say much more about it,I'm just going on what I have heard at this point,hopefully my copy of the book will arrive here on Monday.
  • Reply 3 of 14
    scott_h_phdscott_h_phd Posts: 448member
    I went to look at it today but the books store was out and/or didn't have it. I'm going to UofC campus tomorrow so I'll check the book stores there. <img src="graemlins/hmmm.gif" border="0" alt="[Hmmm]" />
  • Reply 4 of 14
    rick1138rick1138 Posts: 938member
    I got a note today from Amazon saying my copy had been shipped,apparently there is a supply problem.



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  • Reply 5 of 14
    I'll let you know if I find it/get it.
  • Reply 6 of 14
    moogsmoogs Posts: 4,296member
    It's in my Amazon shopping cart, but sadly I am not in the position to blow $40+ on a book right now. The general theory itself sounds like it has the potential to reveal quite a lot that we don't yet understand. Who knows, maybe we'll all be lucky enough to witness a true watershed moment in scientific thinking.
  • Reply 7 of 14
    scott_h_phdscott_h_phd Posts: 448member
    I bought it today. I'm not sure if there's anything revolutionary in there. It got me to think of something differently albeit in an unrelated area.



    The idea of using CAs to represent mathematical operations is interesting. I do image processing and if I can get something new or gain better understanding then it's worth it.





    Oh also I remember now that the book store I was at on sunday had seven copies and one guy came in and bought them all <img src="graemlins/hmmm.gif" border="0" alt="[Hmmm]" /> Or that's what they told me.
  • Reply 8 of 14
    rick1138rick1138 Posts: 938member
    CA have been used in search algorithms,there's a section in Cormen's book on that.
  • Reply 9 of 14
    rick1138rick1138 Posts: 938member
    My copy finally came today,I've skimmed it through-nothing radically new,but basically everything known about CA and related phenomenon are included in this book,this is a book of great depth and subtlety,a great book,I highly recommend it to anyone.
  • Reply 10 of 14
    brussellbrussell Posts: 9,812member
    Still sounds to me like he wants to take credit for stuff that was done 20 years ago. No wonder he wrote a book rather than trying to get published in peer-reviewed journals.
  • Reply 11 of 14
    rick1138rick1138 Posts: 938member
    Actually a lot of it was discovered by him,he was one of the pioneers in the field.Even though there is nothing radically new,there is a breadth and scope,and a willingness to investigate iimplications that I have not seen elsewhere.
  • Reply 12 of 14
    cdhostagecdhostage Posts: 1,038member
    50,000 copies were made, it said in Wired.

    I wonder if my library will have it. I'm not spedning $50 to have it shipped to me.

    I wonder if they'll make more - after all, he'll make more money if it's not a friggin collector's item.



    I bet the text is already on Carracho somewhere. Proabably not half as good without the diagrams though. And... come on! He's a worker, desrves to get paid for his work.
  • Reply 13 of 14
    rick1138rick1138 Posts: 938member
    I was reading it last night,it's worth the money-it's a huge book.
  • Reply 14 of 14
    scott_h_phdscott_h_phd Posts: 448member
    I'm reading it now. It's okay so far.
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