Apple's new App Store restrictions block Sony eBookstore, may lock out Amazon

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  • Reply 81 of 275
    asdasdasdasd Posts: 4,401member
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    Originally Posted by aderutter View Post


    Apple is not stopping you reading your pdf you bought elsewhere on the iphone.



    Yeah, they haven't blocked the internet. However lets say the digital content was a movie, playing in a flash player, and a company tried to bring out an application to view previously bought content using HTTPS live streaming?
  • Reply 82 of 275
    This is a mistake.



    I`m a Mac only user but have been biding my time to see if Apple would open up it`s mobile devices to third party content.



    If true this move will be the final deciding factor in keeping me off Apples mobile devices.

    I`ll be using Android for phones and tablets, I simply won`t be limited in such a crippling way for paid content.



    I`m sure I`m only one of many who feel this way.
  • Reply 83 of 275
    nelsonxnelsonx Posts: 278member
    I'm from Romania and I have an iPhone 4 which I enjoy a lot. I was ready to buy an iPad but one of the reasons for buying it was to read ebooks. Here in Romania you can not buy books from iBooks, the only way to buy books is from Amazon with Kindle. So if I will not be able to use the iPad as a reader I'm not buying it anymore. I will be force to buy an Android crap tablet which I will use as a reader \
  • Reply 84 of 275
    freediverxfreediverx Posts: 1,345member
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    Originally Posted by asdasd View Post


    Yeah, it is. All that matters is that you sell more than a certain number. 70+ %



    You can pull "facts" like this out of your ass all you want, but Apple is not even remotely a monopoly.

    Monopolies are characterised by a lack of economic competition to produce a particular product or service, along with a lack of viable substitute products or services.



    There are plenty of other tablet computers on the market, with new ones being introduced at a rapid pace. Consumers can buy tablets and content - digital and otherwise - from Apple or from a variety of other vendors and platforms. Apple is doing nothing to restrict consumers from buying competitors' products other than making products that are so clearly superior that consumers freely chose to purchase them over their rivals. This is in sharp contrast to what Microsoft did for years to kill off competition in the desktop OS market - where they used unethical business practices to keep people from buying what, at times, were clearly superior products.



    By your definition, BMW has a monopoly because they don't allow competitors to make and sell their own BMWs and because they exercise tight control over who manufactures the components that go into their vehicles.
  • Reply 85 of 275
    asdasdasdasd Posts: 4,401member
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    Originally Posted by freediverx View Post


    You can pull "facts" like this out of your ass all you want, but Apple is not even remotely a monopoly.

    Monopolies are characterised by a lack of economic competition to produce a particular product or service, along with a lack of viable substitute products or services.



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    In economics, a monopoly (from Greek monos / μονος (alone or single) + polein / πωλειν (to sell)) exists when a specific individual or an enterprise has sufficient control over a particular product or service to determine significantly the terms on which other individuals shall have access to it.
  • Reply 86 of 275
    solipsismsolipsism Posts: 25,726member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by asdasd View Post


    In economics, a monopoly (from Greek monos / μονος (alone or single) + polein / πωλειν (to sell)) exists when a specific individual or an enterprise has sufficient control over a particular product or service to determine significantly the terms on which other individuals shall have access to it.



    You’re melding a single product with a product category. If we say Apple has a monopoly on iPad then we can also say Samsung has a monopoly on Galaxy Tab and MS has a monopoly on Kin.



    In business, a monopoly refers to a commodity or service type, not a brand, otherwise all companies would have a monopoly on their product.
  • Reply 87 of 275
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    Originally Posted by crisss1205 View Post


    I think what happened is that Sony wanted users to buy books within the app. All IN APP purchase must go through Apple. That is not new. Amazon and B&N redirect users to Safari to buy books.



    I have just read 11.2 myself and I would say that you are correct -- this is about in-app purchases. All in-app purchases must go through the app store. Therefore, this would not effect Amazon in the slightest.
  • Reply 88 of 275
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by asdasd View Post


    In economics, a monopoly (from Greek monos / μονος (alone or single) + polein / πωλειν (to sell)) exists when a specific individual or an enterprise has sufficient control over a particular product or service to determine significantly the terms on which other individuals shall have access to it.



    Product: as in Tablets, Cell phones, not iPad, iPhone
  • Reply 89 of 275
    asdasdasdasd Posts: 4,401member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by crisss1205 View Post


    Product: as in Tablets, Cell phones, not iPad, iPhone



    Yeah. Tablets.
  • Reply 90 of 275
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    Originally Posted by solipsism View Post


    But does the Kindle allow 3rd-party apps? This is ‘a’ Wild, Wild West scenario where Apple needs to think this through before moving. If you deny other eBook vendors you risk losing HW sales in the short term and possibly the longterm, but if you allow it you risk losing HW sales in the long term if other vendors can create a good competing product, especially if that competitor allows an easy option for getting books.



    I don’t think the correct path is certain is a balance of these two will likely happen. We’ve see Apple do this very thing with iOS and the SDK since their release. They start small and simple and expand from there. This seems like the best course of action, IMO. The problem with opening too soon is if you make a mistake you can’t easily close it back up without incurring other, potentially worse issues.



    Well put. It is a tricky balance to strike and perhaps a third way needs to be explored that can balance these two extremes.



    p.s. Are you leaving FL to somewhere with no internet till the summer?
  • Reply 91 of 275
    asdasdasdasd Posts: 4,401member
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    Originally Posted by TalkingNewMedia View Post


    I have just read 11.2 myself and I would say that you are correct -- this is about in-app purchases. All in-app purchases must go through the app store. Therefore, this would not effect Amazon in the slightest.



    Apple reads in, as for. These days.
  • Reply 92 of 275
    irnchrizirnchriz Posts: 1,451member
    Hopefully the rumoured up-coming subscription package rules will allow Sony, Amazon etc to distribute their materials in a way that pays Apple as the platform holder.



    Google don't need to do this with Android as they already have their hooks in android to get data for their advertising division. Why do you think that android is 'free'?
  • Reply 93 of 275
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    Originally Posted by AppleInsider View Post


    Apple has reportedly told several European publishers that it will employ "stricter rules" that forbid free iPad access to paid print subscribers. By doing so, publishers could bypass Apple and its 30 percent commission on App Store transactions.



    It's the same darn content, doesn't matter if I paid in a print magazine, on the Kindle store, Apple Store or whatever store. Don't double bill us! Geez. The whole reason why DRM music failed was because it can't be played across a spectrum devices easily, why is Apple making this mistake now? They should've learned the lesson. The content sell devices, and Apple makes the devices, Apple shouldn't be too greedy with content here.
  • Reply 94 of 275
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    Originally Posted by freezingmariner View Post


    It's the same darn content, doesn't matter if I paid in a print magazine, on the Kindle store, Apple Store or whatever store. Don't double bill us! Geez. The whole reason why DRM music failed was because it can't be played across a spectrum devices easily, why is Apple making this mistake now? They should've learned the lesson. The content sell devices, and Apple makes the devices, Apple shouldn't be too greedy with content here.



    So if I buy a CD, should the record store also give me a free vinyl copy and a free digital copy if I want it too?
  • Reply 95 of 275
    asdasdasdasd Posts: 4,401member
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    Originally Posted by aderutter View Post


    So if I buy a CD, should the record store also give me a free vinyl copy and a free digital copy if I want it too?



    If it has the rights. The content providers have applied to rights on the iPad. It wasnt always granted. Now Apple has banned em all.
  • Reply 96 of 275
    freediverxfreediverx Posts: 1,345member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by freezingmariner View Post


    It's the same darn content, doesn't matter if I paid in a print magazine, on the Kindle store, Apple Store or whatever store. Don't double bill us! Geez. The whole reason why DRM music failed was because it can't be played across a spectrum devices easily, why is Apple making this mistake now? They should've learned the lesson. The content sell devices, and Apple makes the devices, Apple shouldn't be too greedy with content here.



    My iPad allows me to use images, videos, music and other content that I've obtained from external sources. This has always been the case, and I suspect will always be the case. This isn't about Apple controlling where you get your content. It's specifically about limiting "in app purchases" on their devices. I have purchased far more ebooks from Amazon/Kindle than through iBooks. Amazon is not prevented from doing this - they just can't do it via in app purchasing.



    Apple doesn't allow porn in the app store, but they don't restrict the endless supply of porn accessible on the internet via the browser. Apple supports openness alongside a controlled, curated environment. You get to choose what you want to consume, but they get to control what content goes through their curated areas. I think that's a perfectly reasonable balance.



    Nothing to see here folks, at least until the full story comes out.
  • Reply 97 of 275
    xsuxsu Posts: 401member
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    Originally Posted by asdasd View Post


    That is now banned on this new interpretation. All content which can be bought outside iOS is banned. ( Kindle may have a bye).



    That's exactly opposite of what Apple is saying.



    "...said that Apple told Sony that from now on, in-app purchases must go through Apple."



    Every purchase made inside of Apps must use Apple API, not their own stuff. But they have no rules over what people can do on a website, outside of an app.
  • Reply 98 of 275
    asdasdasdasd Posts: 4,401member
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    Originally Posted by xsu View Post


    That's exactly opposite of what Apple is saying.



    "...said that Apple told Sony that from now on, in-app purchases must go through Apple."



    Every purchase made inside of Apps must use Apple API, not their own stuff. But they have no rules over what people can do on a website, outside of an app.



    So why wont Sony just resubmit?



    The story here ( and I know this independently of Sony) is that they are banning anything which shows content bought elsewhere.



    The Sony screenshots show the store in Safari.



    The story is accurate.
  • Reply 99 of 275
    matrix07matrix07 Posts: 1,993member
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    Originally Posted by asdasd View Post


    Why would sony generate this FUD? If their app was rejected in a way that could fix it they would fix it and re-submit.



    Also, take a look at the screenshots.



    People dont want to believe this - because it sounds crazy. It is crazy. But it is true.



    Why do you assume Sony is a nice guy. They are a direct competitor to Apple. I can see they want to paint Apple in bad light as much as possible.

    If this is all about a new policy, why do I still be able to purchase books using Kindle app?
  • Reply 100 of 275
    gwydiongwydion Posts: 1,039member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by irnchriz View Post


    Hopefully the rumoured up-coming subscription package rules will allow Sony, Amazon etc to distribute their materials in a way that pays Apple as the platform holder



    What?
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