So... Joe's in, what do you think?
My old thread was on FC, and was too off-topic to ask for its resurrection, so I'll ask again.
What do you think of Lieberman's candidacy? A few of you right wingers had mentioned that he wasn't a "free thinker". Please explain. He definitely strays more toward the middle, which shows a definite independence from the Democratic party.
As far as the primaries go, I say Gephardt will be the least popular, and it'll probably come down to Kerry and Lieberman. Do you think religion will not make an impact in the race?
What do you think of Lieberman's candidacy? A few of you right wingers had mentioned that he wasn't a "free thinker". Please explain. He definitely strays more toward the middle, which shows a definite independence from the Democratic party.
As far as the primaries go, I say Gephardt will be the least popular, and it'll probably come down to Kerry and Lieberman. Do you think religion will not make an impact in the race?
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I don't think Bush is going to have too much trouble come 2004. 1) Republicans became *more* popular between 2000 and 2002 as evidenced in last year's election. 2) He's going to start a war just before elections, and nobody likes kicking out an incumbent in a time of war.
There are still 2 years until election day and the Republican Congress is going to make some big mistakes. It's up to the Democrats to actually have some guts and speak up against Bush and the policies they disagree with.
I highly doubt that Lieberman will win. After all, he showed all of the confidence in the world when he ran for Vice President and ran for Senate as well.
Let's also face the fact that religion will play a huge part in this race whether people like it or not. Let's not kid ourselves here.
The truth is that if the primary were held in NH today, I would not know who to vote for. I'm surprised that candidates haven't shown up yet, especially with so many running. I guess it's all of the snow we've had that is keeping them away.
I now leave you with this apropos Bad Religion song.
[quote]New America
Do you know the cost of future misery?
Have you lost your sense of sustainability?
We are just a step away
From realizing what we strive to be
But we've got to break out
From this insulated, blind and lame senility
Wake up the new america wo-oh!
Transcend the mass hysteria wo-oh!
Change is the thing you're wary of wo-oh!
We need a new america wo-oh!
Laurels, human triumph
Bestowments from the past
Victories don't mean a thing
If they don't last
We are just marching toward extinction
With blinders on our eyes
Jeopardizing everything
We've learned and come to realize
You call that wise?
Open your eyes america wo-oh!
See through the lies they tell to us wo-oh!
Confront the fears that worry us wo-oh!
We need a new america wo-oh!
We don't have to be afraid to re-invent
We've got to start to build
Progress and implement
For when we take our fill
And never pay the price
We only build ourselves
A fleeting, false paradise
You can live in staunch denial
And mark me as your enemy
But I'm just a voice among the throng
Who want a brighter destiny
They say with me
We are the new america wo-oh!
This is the new america? Wo-oh <hr></blockquote>
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I'd rather vote for Frank Zappa.
<strong>2) He's going to start a war just before elections, and nobody likes kicking out an incumbent in a time of war.</strong><hr></blockquote>How very clever of him that would be, and how re-assuring for all of us . . . not.
- T.I.
The Dems would be insane to run Lieberman. Unless something really bad happens to Bush, I don't think the Democratic turnout will be that big for Lieberman. The USA has regressed. If Lieberman gets the nom, my TV news viewing will be exclusively the ESPN news channel. It would be rather distasteful to see two men who don't understand the USA has no soveriegn and is a gov't of the people, by the people.
That's just me, I'm crazy like that.
I think he's dangerous, that's what I think.
I also think many here are wrong. A Jewish candidate, or a woman candidate, are perfectly electable for the office of President. I just think that the right (pun intended) candidate has not yet made her bid for that office. I?d like Arianna Huffington to run. She?s a sharp political animal, a real shark, and sure to make the debate interesting.
ps.
I would vote for Clinton over Lieberputz were I to vote Democrat, and Condoleezza Rice should she run in 2008 and I were a Republican. 2004 is locked.
Saddam: hello?
Prez: Saddam? have you gotten rid of all your nukes and stuff? have you? , cuz once you do i had some great ideas about introducing some real democracy into... blah blah blah
Saddam: (rolls eyes and makes shooting pistol gestures to his temple)
Reapeat hundreds of times.
It will be hard to beat Bush in 2004, but the electoral situation gives any Democrat (or Republican, if the situation was reversed) a good shot. About 2/3 of the electoral votes are basically a lock for one party or the other (e.g., New York & CA = Democratic, most of the South and West = Republican), and so any challenger has a good 200 electoral votes without even trying. The battlegrounds will probably be in the same states they were in 2000.
<strong>A Jewish candidate, or a woman candidate, are perfectly electable for the office of President.
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What the hell's going on? This is twice in one day I've agreed with Mika. Someone lock my account or something, I'm confused....
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What the hell's going on? This is twice in one day I've agreed with Mika. Someone lock my account or something, I'm confused....
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No. This is not good.
[quote]Lowell Weicker may have been a sanctimonious jerk but at least he had something to be sanctimonious about. If an impeachment of Richard Nixon had ever come to the Senate for a vote do we have any doubt about how Weicker would have voted? We already know how Leiberman voted with regards to Clinton's impeachment.<hr></blockquote>
That said, I'd still be tempted to vote for Leiberman just to piss of all those who'd have a conniption over a Jewish president.
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