Happy MLK day
Time to honor Martin Luther King. His service to our country is immeasurable and he gave his life for it.
I think MLK day should be elevated to a national holiday. He and his movement are at least as important to this country as the contributions of Washington and Lincoln. Of course if we create holiday after holiday we may soon stop working on Mondays all together. So IMO we should get rid of labor day and replace it with MLK day.
Everyone take some time today and remember MLK for his significant contribution to the US.
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I think MLK day should be elevated to a national holiday. He and his movement are at least as important to this country as the contributions of Washington and Lincoln. Of course if we create holiday after holiday we may soon stop working on Mondays all together. So IMO we should get rid of labor day and replace it with MLK day.
Everyone take some time today and remember MLK for his significant contribution to the US.
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we should have all mondays off...we americans work too freakin hard....4 day work week should be the norm....g
<strong>Now, I could say that this message is invalid because, well, look at the messenger. However, even though I am not entirely sure of the messenger's motives, the message itself is still valid. It doesn't suddenly become wrong because the wrong person said it.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Man, you're cynical.
The "wrong person said it"? What a stupid, elitist and wrong-headed statement to make. Are you one of those people who equates conservatism with racism, no ifs, ands or buts?
Great.
Quick, get Shawn or BRussell to say it instead, so it'll "count" and mean something to BR!
BTW, that's no slam WHATSOEVER against Shawn or BRussell...not at all. Just trying to appease BR's twisted sense of who gets to say what and have it recognized as legit. Just trying to think of two people a bit more philosophically opposite of Scott, and those two sprang to mind immediately. That's all.
[ 01-20-2003: Message edited by: pscates ]</p>
No reason to muck up a good, thoughtful thread though.
Happy MLK day folks.
Fish
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I'm sure he didn't wake up that morning hoping (or preparing) to get shot.
Whatever happened to James Earl Ray anyway? Didn't he die in the joint recently?
<strong>And pretty damn arrogant too.
The "wrong person said it"? What a stupid, elitist and wrong-headed statement to make. Are you one of those people who equates conservatism with racism, no ifs, ands or buts?
Great.
Quick, get Shawn or BRussell to say it instead, so it'll "count" and mean something to BR!
BTW, that's no slam WHATSOEVER against Shawn or BRussell...not at all. Just trying to appease BR's twisted sense of who gets to say what and have it recognized as legit. Just trying to think of two people a bit more philosophically opposite of Scott, and those two sprang to mind immediately. That's all.
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I should have put sarcasm tags on it. I was simply pointing out that Scott's motives don't always seem genuine to me but regardless of the messenger, the message is still good. Don't paint me like one of those people that think liberal or conservative actually means something. Sorry pscates, but you are totally off base on this one. Perhaps I wasn't clear or perhaps you are overreacting. It's most likely a combination of the two.
[ 01-20-2003: Message edited by: BR ]</p>
<strong>I think that BR is making a reference to another thread, where it has been posited that Scott places too much value on WHO says or does things rather than WHAT is said or done.
No reason to muck up a good, thoughtful thread though.
Happy MLK day folks.
Fish</strong><hr></blockquote>
Thanks for "getting it" and not being reactionary.
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Of course if we create holiday after holiday we may soon stop working on Mondays all together. So IMO we should get rid of labor day and replace it with MLK day.</strong><hr></blockquote>
It would make more sense to get rid of Christmas and Easter instead.
EDIT: Not sure if Easter is an official holiday or not, but Christmas is.
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I feel I have gained very little from the Words and Actions of MLK. But I celebrate with and for those who do and hope they too through their actions can make a better world for everyone.
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[quote]Bad Religion - I Dream of Unity
I had a dream of unity
where we would walk side by side
but today I see that it's only me
just tryin' to get by
sometimes we strive undeterred
to walk as one toward our goals
but as people stray toward more selfish ways
we see we have no control
I had a dream of unity
where we would walk side by side
but today I see that it's only me
just tryin' to get by
just tryin' to get by
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[ 01-20-2003: Message edited by: BR ]</p>
Back then, according to Soviet-block manuals, racism was inherent to capitalism and to the ?bourgeois-democrat? political system, a system which they deemed incapable of reforming itself, and that only a proletarian revolution (along the lines of Marxism-Leninism, of course) could do away with lynchings, Jim Crow, and other forms of institutional racism.
That the Western system in the USA was actually able to reform itself and do away with segregation without the need for a Marxist-Leninist revolution, made a great impression among many in the COMECON, and from the late 1960s and early 1970s, it got more than one of them thinking about the overall worthiness of the ?dictatorship of the proletariat?.
And the Soviet manuals had to be revised, too.
Meanwhile, as the USA was reforming its own system, the USSR was crushing an attempt of reform in Prague?
That got even more of them thinking.
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I feel I have gained very little from the Words and Actions of MLK. But I celebrate with and for those who do and hope they too through their actions can make a better world for everyone.
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But you have. We all have. I think that's a message that's not often told about the work of MLK. By tearing down the old system he helped everyone in the country. I wouldn't want to live in a country that looked like 1950's segregation ... in 2003. Doesn't matter who you are.
<strong>BR's just calling me a racist in an off hand way.</strong><hr></blockquote>
No, I'm not. I'm saying that no matter who the messenger is, the message is what is important.
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But you have. We all have. I think that's a message that's not often told about the work of MLK. By tearing down the old system he helped everyone in the country. I wouldn't want to live in a country that looked like 1950's segregation ... in 2003. Doesn't matter who you are.</strong><hr></blockquote>
How bigotted, not everyone in the 1950's wanted or promoted segregation.
I'm not suggesting he's actively a racist, but lets just say that for Scott to suddenly sing the praises of Dr. King is as glaringly inconsistent as for me to do the same for, say, Dr. Kissinger.
Happy MLK Day!!