The resurgence of the Mac should give pause to people who think that Android's early marketshare gains will inevitably be maintained. Windows is a much stronger competitor to the Mac than Android is to the iPhone in terms of the platform's entrenchment in the marketplace, third party software support, and overall coherence. And the Mac's resurgence started from a much, much lower marketshare than what the iPhone currently has.
Even without legal issues, Android would have to be seen as highly vulnerable. Much of Android's marketshare appears to be "low quality" in the sense that many Android phones, particularly in developing countries, are not really being used as smartphones, but as feature phones. I strongly suspect that Android is near its marketshare peak.
I agree that it will probably continue to take out the low end and cut in to feature phone sales. I doubt it is anywhere near the peak. All smartphones still have quite a bit more market penetration ahead of them. There are still a lot of feature phones out there. Even if Apple releases a low end phone, it will inevitably increase in market share because the market is growing. A lot of people go to Android as a stepping stone on their way to an iPhone. I'm amazed at how many people get an Android phone based on their confidence in Google and then find that it isn't as user friendly as they would like.
Not to mention the idiocy of those who need to scapegoat them at any opportunity, no matter how inappropriate or off-topic it is.
Agreed...I watch and comment on politics a lot but I avoid doing so in forums like this because it is rarely appropriate. Furthermore, you can always tell when somebody does not have a good argument to offer when they resort to simple insults like calling their opponent "dumb" or "idiots" or whatever with no substantive or logical points.
You make a good point. Apple's Market share does not need to be the biggest , it just needs to be big enough. However, They remain the single largest development platform for mobile App developers. No one has ever shown any evidence that there is a single platform you can develop unmodified Android apps for that is anywhere near as large as the iPhone. (Without resorting to the Ugly least-common-denominator crap a lot of Android apps turn into).
I think Android attracts some web developers. Apart from 3D games, it seems to have trouble attracting the hard core native app developers that have moved from OS X and Windows over to iOS. At first I thought they would attract some hard core Java application developers, but then I realized there are not many out there... most Java devs are writing web services and don't seem to have interest in the platform.
And everyone cares what Apple is doing while no one cares what Microsoft is doing. Microsoft has been labeled by more than one pundit as a company in decline. Microsoft is irrelevant these days and not seen as any kind of innovator. They no longer control the direction of technology. So what has that big market share done for them lately? Apple sells more, takes in more revenue, is more profitable, and is worth more. That's what market share has gotten Microsoft.
This is beginning to sound like "What have the Romans done for us?" (see "Life of Brian"). Just for starters Microsoft makes massive profits every quarter and would make even more if they stopped burning money on losing products.
"Apple's line of Mac computers are seen making further market share gains in the coming years, growing to 4.5 percent of sales in 2011, and 5.2 percent of new PCs sold in 2015.
The latest predictions from Gartner show Apple increasing from the 4 percent worldwide PC market share the company took in 2010. The numbers are well up from the 3.3 percent share Apple had back in 2008."
Not at all. It suggests that all that people have to do is buy more PCs over $1,000.
It's not like there is a ceiling for computer sales and only a certain number can be over $1,000. That's nonsense.
And you think more people are going to buy $1000+ PCs in the midst of one of the worst recessions for years in the US and Europe?
I don't agree. I think sales in the US and Europe will continue to grow steadily with most of the sales growth coming from ramping up sales in emerging markets who still have growing economies and an expanding middle class hungry for expensive western goods.
Actually if more people in the sub $1000 category decide to buy a Mac then there is a lot of room to grow (as already mentioned above).
If not then Apple is already targeting the sub $1000 market with the iPad.
Exactly! There seem to be very few that have figured this out. With the iPad, Apple is targeting those who want a sub $900 computer in addition to those who are not technologically savvy and just want a computer that is easy to use to check email, browse web, instant messgage, twitter, facebook, and play a casual game. Those are the major uses for sub $900 computers anyway. Having a few other possible uses just makes it a bigger plus.
I agree that it will probably continue to take out the low end and cut in to feature phone sales. I doubt it is anywhere near the peak. All smartphones still have quite a bit more market penetration ahead of them. There are still a lot of feature phones out there. Even if Apple releases a low end phone, it will inevitably increase in market share because the market is growing. A lot of people go to Android as a stepping stone on their way to an iPhone. I'm amazed at how many people get an Android phone based on their confidence in Google and then find that it isn't as user friendly as they would like.
note that I said *marketshare* peak, not volume peak. And I guess I should have clarified that I meant "smartphone marketshare" not "cellphone marketshare".
Huh, who would have thought? Make a superior product that people will pay a premium for,
I would gladly pay a premium above and beyond the price of an iMac to get a headless iMac in an easy open case. Put the $1200 iMac sans screen in a mid size case and I would pay $1500 for it. Apple makes an extra $300 and saves what the screen would have cost them.
See, an easy open case big enough for two hard drives and an optical drive and the choice of what kind of monitor are features not negatives.
And you think more people are going to buy $1000+ PCs in the midst of one of the worst recessions for years in the US and Europe?
Given that Apple has posted record quarters every quarter in the four years prior and three years during said recession, YES. I DO. Because I know how to look at crap and extrapolate.
That would suggest they have very little room to grow unless they start targetting the sub $1000 PC category which I don't think they will do.
I suspect Mac sales will continue to grow steadily as they expand further into international markets such as China and India.
Uh... they are most definitely going after the sub $1000 PC category... it's called the iPad. And notice how it's sales are doing? Apple is very successfully going after the $500 computer market with a great PC for that price.
Exactly! There seem to be very few that have figured this out. With the iPad, Apple is targeting those who want a sub $900 computer in addition to those who are not technologically savvy and just want a computer that is easy to use to check email, browse web, instant messgage, twitter, facebook, and play a casual game. Those are the major uses for sub $900 computers anyway. Having a few other possible uses just makes it a bigger plus.
When iOS 5 comes out people are going to have options and abilities with the iPad that dwarf what you can do with any other PC, including the Mac. Most people don't realize this yet, but the capabilities are coming.
For example: With an iPad 2 ($500), AppleTV ($100) and HDTV set ($500-1000 for most people) you will be able to wirelessly take anything on your iPad and send the audio/video to your HDTV. You could watch a movie, surf the web or run apps and games. Your iPad becomes a big touch surface remote. This has all kinds of family entertainment implications, casual surfing, edutainment, and who knows what else. Being able to do this wirelessly is huge. Using an ultramobile PC to take over a big screen and use it in this way is huge. We really haven't seen this before, not with something this inexpensive, this high quality or this easy to use.
Once people buy an iPad and they have their HDTV's as so many already do, buying an AppleTV is such a relative nominal investment that the payoff of diving into the Apple ecosystem in this way (once iOS 5 is here) should become apparent to these people very quickly.
At this stage people using an iPad + AppleTV and iOS 5 in this way, they won't need or want a PC, or a Mac. Sure they have their uses, but for the average non-computer user the iPad will always be a bigger hit and do more of what people actually want at the right price.
Not at all. It suggests that all that people have to do is buy more PCs over $1,000.
It's not like there is a ceiling for computer sales and only a certain number can be over $1,000. That's nonsense.
Trouble is that quite a few people are willing to pay extra for Apple. My parents for example have been using Windows for years, but when it's time for an upgrade in a couple of years, they have have made it clear that they are heading to Apple. Quite simply they just want it to work and will pay that little extra (because it is a little) to get that peace of mind.
Now these are different markets - people are way more willing to buy luxury cars vs. "luxury" computers, but if you think about it, Apple having 90% of these $1000+ sales means they are literally the only option if you want a high fashion, high refinement and well designed machine where money is less of an object. If Apple made cars, it would be like if they were BMW, Mercedes, and Audi and their subsidiaries all in one company, and their only competitors would be Volvo, Jaguar, and the rest of the small luxury makers (but Apple still arguably wouldn't have even that level of competent competition).
Source: My rough calculations based on this page. You may get slightly different calculations as I rounded but they won't be far off from mine.
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The resurgence of the Mac should give pause to people who think that Android's early marketshare gains will inevitably be maintained. Windows is a much stronger competitor to the Mac than Android is to the iPhone in terms of the platform's entrenchment in the marketplace, third party software support, and overall coherence. And the Mac's resurgence started from a much, much lower marketshare than what the iPhone currently has.
Even without legal issues, Android would have to be seen as highly vulnerable. Much of Android's marketshare appears to be "low quality" in the sense that many Android phones, particularly in developing countries, are not really being used as smartphones, but as feature phones. I strongly suspect that Android is near its marketshare peak.
I agree that it will probably continue to take out the low end and cut in to feature phone sales. I doubt it is anywhere near the peak. All smartphones still have quite a bit more market penetration ahead of them. There are still a lot of feature phones out there. Even if Apple releases a low end phone, it will inevitably increase in market share because the market is growing. A lot of people go to Android as a stepping stone on their way to an iPhone. I'm amazed at how many people get an Android phone based on their confidence in Google and then find that it isn't as user friendly as they would like.
Not to mention the idiocy of those who need to scapegoat them at any opportunity, no matter how inappropriate or off-topic it is.
Agreed...I watch and comment on politics a lot but I avoid doing so in forums like this because it is rarely appropriate. Furthermore, you can always tell when somebody does not have a good argument to offer when they resort to simple insults like calling their opponent "dumb" or "idiots" or whatever with no substantive or logical points.
You make a good point. Apple's Market share does not need to be the biggest , it just needs to be big enough. However, They remain the single largest development platform for mobile App developers. No one has ever shown any evidence that there is a single platform you can develop unmodified Android apps for that is anywhere near as large as the iPhone. (Without resorting to the Ugly least-common-denominator crap a lot of Android apps turn into).
I think Android attracts some web developers. Apart from 3D games, it seems to have trouble attracting the hard core native app developers that have moved from OS X and Windows over to iOS. At first I thought they would attract some hard core Java application developers, but then I realized there are not many out there... most Java devs are writing web services and don't seem to have interest in the platform.
That would suggest they have very little room to grow unless they start targetting the sub $1000 PC category which I don't think they will do.
Actually if more people in the sub $1000 category decide to buy a Mac then there is a lot of room to grow (as already mentioned above).
If not then Apple is already targeting the sub $1000 market with the iPad.
And everyone cares what Apple is doing while no one cares what Microsoft is doing. Microsoft has been labeled by more than one pundit as a company in decline. Microsoft is irrelevant these days and not seen as any kind of innovator. They no longer control the direction of technology. So what has that big market share done for them lately? Apple sells more, takes in more revenue, is more profitable, and is worth more. That's what market share has gotten Microsoft.
This is beginning to sound like "What have the Romans done for us?" (see "Life of Brian"). Just for starters Microsoft makes massive profits every quarter and would make even more if they stopped burning money on losing products.
They are around 90% of the $1000+ PC category.
True, but that was not the stat under discussion.
I think it's just at 5 worldwide, 11 in the US.
Ten years ago it was under 2.
"Apple's line of Mac computers are seen making further market share gains in the coming years, growing to 4.5 percent of sales in 2011, and 5.2 percent of new PCs sold in 2015.
The latest predictions from Gartner show Apple increasing from the 4 percent worldwide PC market share the company took in 2010. The numbers are well up from the 3.3 percent share Apple had back in 2008."
If we can believe AI, the most recent stat is 4%.
Not at all. It suggests that all that people have to do is buy more PCs over $1,000.
It's not like there is a ceiling for computer sales and only a certain number can be over $1,000. That's nonsense.
And you think more people are going to buy $1000+ PCs in the midst of one of the worst recessions for years in the US and Europe?
I don't agree. I think sales in the US and Europe will continue to grow steadily with most of the sales growth coming from ramping up sales in emerging markets who still have growing economies and an expanding middle class hungry for expensive western goods.
Actually if more people in the sub $1000 category decide to buy a Mac then there is a lot of room to grow (as already mentioned above).
If not then Apple is already targeting the sub $1000 market with the iPad.
Exactly! There seem to be very few that have figured this out. With the iPad, Apple is targeting those who want a sub $900 computer in addition to those who are not technologically savvy and just want a computer that is easy to use to check email, browse web, instant messgage, twitter, facebook, and play a casual game. Those are the major uses for sub $900 computers anyway. Having a few other possible uses just makes it a bigger plus.
kftc.
Re: this, plus your "mausoleum" post yesterday -- what's the Italian equivalent for "schmuck"?
I agree that it will probably continue to take out the low end and cut in to feature phone sales. I doubt it is anywhere near the peak. All smartphones still have quite a bit more market penetration ahead of them. There are still a lot of feature phones out there. Even if Apple releases a low end phone, it will inevitably increase in market share because the market is growing. A lot of people go to Android as a stepping stone on their way to an iPhone. I'm amazed at how many people get an Android phone based on their confidence in Google and then find that it isn't as user friendly as they would like.
note that I said *marketshare* peak, not volume peak. And I guess I should have clarified that I meant "smartphone marketshare" not "cellphone marketshare".
Re: this, plus your "mausoleum" post yesterday -- what's the Italian equivalent for "schmuck"?
I would reply it was "Flaneur", but I don't wanna get personal.
Huh, who would have thought? Make a superior product that people will pay a premium for,
I would gladly pay a premium above and beyond the price of an iMac to get a headless iMac in an easy open case. Put the $1200 iMac sans screen in a mid size case and I would pay $1500 for it. Apple makes an extra $300 and saves what the screen would have cost them.
See, an easy open case big enough for two hard drives and an optical drive and the choice of what kind of monitor are features not negatives.
I would reply it was "Flaneur", but I don't wanna get personal.
Touché. Very funny.
And you think more people are going to buy $1000+ PCs in the midst of one of the worst recessions for years in the US and Europe?
Given that Apple has posted record quarters every quarter in the four years prior and three years during said recession, YES. I DO. Because I know how to look at crap and extrapolate.
That would suggest they have very little room to grow unless they start targetting the sub $1000 PC category which I don't think they will do.
I suspect Mac sales will continue to grow steadily as they expand further into international markets such as China and India.
Uh... they are most definitely going after the sub $1000 PC category... it's called the iPad. And notice how it's sales are doing? Apple is very successfully going after the $500 computer market with a great PC for that price.
Exactly! There seem to be very few that have figured this out. With the iPad, Apple is targeting those who want a sub $900 computer in addition to those who are not technologically savvy and just want a computer that is easy to use to check email, browse web, instant messgage, twitter, facebook, and play a casual game. Those are the major uses for sub $900 computers anyway. Having a few other possible uses just makes it a bigger plus.
When iOS 5 comes out people are going to have options and abilities with the iPad that dwarf what you can do with any other PC, including the Mac. Most people don't realize this yet, but the capabilities are coming.
For example: With an iPad 2 ($500), AppleTV ($100) and HDTV set ($500-1000 for most people) you will be able to wirelessly take anything on your iPad and send the audio/video to your HDTV. You could watch a movie, surf the web or run apps and games. Your iPad becomes a big touch surface remote. This has all kinds of family entertainment implications, casual surfing, edutainment, and who knows what else. Being able to do this wirelessly is huge. Using an ultramobile PC to take over a big screen and use it in this way is huge. We really haven't seen this before, not with something this inexpensive, this high quality or this easy to use.
Once people buy an iPad and they have their HDTV's as so many already do, buying an AppleTV is such a relative nominal investment that the payoff of diving into the Apple ecosystem in this way (once iOS 5 is here) should become apparent to these people very quickly.
At this stage people using an iPad + AppleTV and iOS 5 in this way, they won't need or want a PC, or a Mac. Sure they have their uses, but for the average non-computer user the iPad will always be a bigger hit and do more of what people actually want at the right price.
Not at all. It suggests that all that people have to do is buy more PCs over $1,000.
It's not like there is a ceiling for computer sales and only a certain number can be over $1,000. That's nonsense.
Trouble is that quite a few people are willing to pay extra for Apple. My parents for example have been using Windows for years, but when it's time for an upgrade in a couple of years, they have have made it clear that they are heading to Apple. Quite simply they just want it to work and will pay that little extra (because it is a little) to get that peace of mind.
True, but that was not the stat under discussion.
But it's an important stat.
Luxury cars are 20% of the entire car market.
Luxury SUVs are 1% of the light truck/SUV market.
Now these are different markets - people are way more willing to buy luxury cars vs. "luxury" computers, but if you think about it, Apple having 90% of these $1000+ sales means they are literally the only option if you want a high fashion, high refinement and well designed machine where money is less of an object. If Apple made cars, it would be like if they were BMW, Mercedes, and Audi and their subsidiaries all in one company, and their only competitors would be Volvo, Jaguar, and the rest of the small luxury makers (but Apple still arguably wouldn't have even that level of competent competition).
Source: My rough calculations based on this page. You may get slightly different calculations as I rounded but they won't be far off from mine.
Source: My rough calculations based on this page. You may get slightly different calculations as I rounded but they won't be far off from mine.
Hey, hey! This is the internet. Stop citing your information and challenging people to verify it.