Dead Man Walking: The President Obama won't be reelected thread.

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  • marvfoxmarvfox Posts: 2,275member
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    Originally Posted by jazzguru View Post


    People also forget - or don't even know - that the Republican Party was at one time a "Third Party".



    Is a party of liars and do nothings!
  • marvfoxmarvfox Posts: 2,275member
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    Originally Posted by Apple ][ View Post


    I read that Obama wanted to apologize for Hiroshima, but even the Japanese told him that that wasn't a good idea?



    That is the most disgusting thing that I've read all day, without a doubt. And I read many disgusting things every single day.



    This guy is not going to get re-elected.



    How the hell do you know this?
  • nofeernofeer Posts: 2,420member
    some of the links and pictures are missing

    has this thread been scrubbed, i had it this morning did a refresh and gone



    need the link to youtube videio "obama by the numbers"



    and that political cartoon wtih obama at the chalk board



    thanks



    its back

    did another refresh and now i can see the above

    thanks
  • noahjnoahj Posts: 4,500member
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    Originally Posted by marvfox View Post


    How the hell do you know this?



    Your Question was answered in the post that immediately followed.



    Quote:
    Originally Posted by SDW2001 View Post


    That is the report, yes.



    To make it absolutely clear the link shared is from Investors.com: Apologies Not Accepted.
  • trumptmantrumptman Posts: 16,196member
    DailyCaller



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    As children across America costume themselves as ghouls, ghosts, goblins and former North African dictators Monday night, they may have missed the most spine-chilling scare of the day. According to calculations based on the International Monetary Fund’s World Economic Outlook, on All Hallows’ Eve the United States’ total debt will surpass its Gross Domestic Product for the first time since World War II.



    That means the average American’s share of government debt is more than an average American makes in a year. Spooky!



    Spooky isn't the half of it.



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    The rapidly narrowing gap between debt and GDP has many economists and pundits comparing the United States’ fiscal situation to that of Greece. Extravagant public spending, and in particular unsustainable pension commitments, led the Hellenic Republic down the road to near-bankruptcy. Greece narrowly avoided default on Thursday when eurozone leaders agreed to force a 50-percent writedown on Greek bonds and a $100 billion bailout.



    Both Wesbury and Waldman agree America’s situation is not nearly as dire, though it bears some similarity to Greece’s underwater economy.



    Waldman said a U.S. default was unlikely, but “look what just happened to Greece. Everybody who owns Greek bonds is taking a 50 percent haircut. Our currency is the world’s reserve currency. Our place in the world is supported by that fact.



    “What the Greeks just did is default on half their debt. If we default on half our debt, that would mean we would have to pay super high interest rates to ever sell another Treasury security. So that’s out of the question. What we could do is have inflation and pay the debt back with dollars that are worth less than the ones we borrowed. When that happens, citizens like you and I pay the price because we have to pay higher prices for everything.”



    Wesbury was more confident. “Yes, Greece had too much debt for their society, but they had tons of other problems. They had a culture of corruption, they had no growth, people were retiring at 52 and drawing on massive pensions. We have some of that.



    Mr. Wesbury, we might have more of all of those things than you imagine.
  • bergermeisterbergermeister Posts: 6,784member
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    Originally Posted by marvfox View Post


    How the hell do you know this?



    Faux Noise and Friends in "put it out there" mode?



    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FkG5Wp-aRoM





    They had to apologize, but after creating a stir amongst their viewers.



    Sick.
  • sdw2001sdw2001 Posts: 16,120member
    Pelosi says unemployment would be 15% without the stimulus. Apparently one CAN try to defend the indefensible. Honestly, how the President's approval rating is even at 40% is beyond me.
  • trumptmantrumptman Posts: 16,196member
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    Originally Posted by SDW2001 View Post


    Pelosi says unemployment would be 15% without the stimulus. Apparently one CAN try to defend the indefensible. Honestly, how the President's approval rating is even at 40% is beyond me.



    It's at 40% because too many in the country still get their info from the liberal media complex. Look at the major media centers and look at the political orientation. NY, LA, Chicago, etc. If it has a major media center pumping out propaganda you can watch after Maury declares who is the father, and see who tears who's shirt off on Jerry, they vote Democratic.



    Stupid people watching stupid television news fall for stupid reasoning related to their Democratic masters. Those Democratic masters exploit the poor and give it to the crony capitalists and the mob blames it on whoever the Democratic masters want to point a finger towards.
  • marvfoxmarvfox Posts: 2,275member
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    Originally Posted by NoahJ View Post


    Well, when it comes to our elections system, it was not supposed to just be a 2 party system. The people were supposed to elect the person they wanted to run the country. The parties came in to consolidate the power and provide a platform to get the person the party wanted elected out to the people. Now people act like that is the only choice they have.



    Do you really honestly think the people have a choice in a candidate when they vote. Personally I think the whole thing is rigged. 8 years a Liberal 8 years a republican.
  • noahjnoahj Posts: 4,500member
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    Originally Posted by marvfox View Post


    Do you really honestly think the people have a choice in a candidate when they vote. Personally I think the whole thing is rigged. 8 years a Liberal 8 years a republican.



    People absolutely have a choice when they vote. You can even write a name in if you so desire. However most people simply pull the lever for what is popped up in front of them. And they vote the party line.
  • nvidia2008nvidia2008 Posts: 9,262member
    I have to say I wasn't impressed with Obama at G20... He looked quite lost, frankly. Maybe it finally dawned on him it is the cohort of US, London and European bankers that have taken the world for a ride this past decade.



    In the past, the rest of the G20 would be looking to the US to help them out. Now, the US like Britain and Europe are but mere beggars to the global banking industry. That's slavery back in action, with a vengeance.



    Quite ironic, Obama's election was a great achievement for African Americans, except now we know who the real slave masters are - the bankers... And this time they don't quite discriminate based on the colour of your skin. Everyone is a potential or current debt slave.
  • jimmacjimmac Posts: 11,897member
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    NBC poll: Despite national pessimism, Obama tops GOP foes



    One year out from election, Romney and Cain lead Republican field




    Winky, winky!



    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/45196665...decision_2012/
  • tontontonton Posts: 14,063member
    Cain is unelectable. Looks like Romney v. Obama unless the Repubs pull a rabbit out of their hat.
  • marvfoxmarvfox Posts: 2,275member
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    Originally Posted by FloorJack View Post


    It appears he's lost the jewish vote.



    He is not a great lover of Israel.Bush was.
  • sdw2001sdw2001 Posts: 16,120member
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    Originally Posted by jimmac View Post


    Winky, winky!



    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/45196665...decision_2012/



    First, NBC is useless as a news organization, so I don't take their polling seriously. But putting that aside, that poll doesn't really have much meaning. It's a national poll. The state by state numbers are FAR worse for Obama.



    Beyond candidate vs. candidate polling, Obama's numbers are horrifying. Right Track/Wrong Track (25/75). Unemployment (9%) State of the economy . Belief that the economy will improve. Approve/Disapprove (40/50+) Handling the economy (30 approve, 67 disapprove). The deficit. Check out pollingreport.com. There is very little good news for the President.



    Barring something crazy, I don't see how he gets reelected in this environment.
  • jimmacjimmac Posts: 11,897member
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    Originally Posted by SDW2001 View Post


    First, NBC is useless as a news organization, so I don't take their polling seriously. But putting that aside, that poll doesn't really have much meaning. It's a national poll. The state by state numbers are FAR worse for Obama.



    Beyond candidate vs. candidate polling, Obama's numbers are horrifying. Right Track/Wrong Track (25/75). Unemployment (9%) State of the economy . Belief that the economy will improve. Approve/Disapprove (40/50+) Handling the economy (30 approve, 67 disapprove). The deficit. Check out pollingreport.com. There is very little good news for the President.



    Barring something crazy, I don't see how he gets reelected in this environment.



    Yeah , yeah it's the source's fault! !



    In your own words : " You're hilarious! " The republicans have milktoast candidates that no one but the republicans like ( especially in today's economic climate remember the one's that the voting public doesn't like more than Obama is the republican congress ). And they eat their own! Just watch those debates!



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    something crazy



    This happens all of the time. Look at how Bush got elected.



    But go ahead. Choose not to believe the poll. Here's a little something for you to look at :



    http://www.centerforpolitics.org/cry...ljs2011042101/



    Also :



    http://www.pollingreport.com/wh12gen.htm





    There's very little good news for the republicans. But by all means shall we play the " Wait and see " game again? It's only a year away.
  • asciiascii Posts: 5,363member
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    Originally Posted by trumptman View Post


    I guess that's what happens when people's reasoning doesn't even fill up a good bumper sticker. HOPE&CHANGE!



    I don't blame the American people electing someone so inexperienced. The original American system had small government, so the important thing about the President was that he have good character, and did not have to be an expert at everything. So rightly an election system evolved focussing on individual character and morals more than qualifications.



    But the US government is so big now that the president really needs some experience leading large organisations, and a pretty good grasp of economics and military strategy too. No longer good enough to just be a Good Man.



    The election system has not caught up with this new reality.
  • sdw2001sdw2001 Posts: 16,120member
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    Originally Posted by jimmac View Post


    Yeah , yeah it's the source's fault! !



    NBC News engages in deliberate and indisputable bias. They've made a conscious decision to be "the alternative to Fox News." So, the poll is nonsense. But I offered to put that aside.



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    In your own words : " You're hilarious! " The republicans have milktoast candidates that no one but the republicans like



    That's not atypical. Same goes for the Democrats. Of course, if I showed you that Obama has lost support among Democrats, you'd probably dismiss it.



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    ( especially in today's economic climate remember the one's that the voting public doesn't like more than Obama is the republican congress ).



    That was quite a weaselly way to state that. They are dissatisfied with Congress in general, not "the Republican Congress."



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    And they eat their own! Just watch those debates!



    Some do, some don't. Romney--who as of now is all but certain to win the nomination--hasn't gone after people. Neither has Newt Gingrich.



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    This happens all of the time. Look at how Bush got elected.



    Apparently crazy is now defined as "won the most electoral votes despite Al Gore trying to steal the election."



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    But go ahead. Choose not to believe the poll. Here's a little something for you to look at :



    http://www.centerforpolitics.org/cry...ljs2011042101/



    Also :



    http://www.pollingreport.com/wh12gen.htm



    Larry Sabato's site shows absolutely nothing conclusive at present. There are 111 toss up votes. Obama's map should look far better at this point.



    Your other link shows Mitt Romney beating Obama 51 to 47. Good job proving my point.



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    There's very little good news for the republicans. But by all means shall we play the " Wait and see " game again? It's only a year away.



    I know we fight about this every cycle and that we've had our battles, but I really don't see how you come to that conclusion. The numbers for Obama are really, really bad.
    • No President except for Reagan has been been re-elected with 7+% unemployment. And Reagan was the beneficiary of a rapidly improving economy at the time.

    • Obama's approval rating is around 40% in most polls. It even dips to 39% at times. Presidents don't win re-election unless they are close to 50%.

    • Obama's support amongst core voting blocks has dipped, including blacks, hispanics, younger voters and indepenents.

    • Most polls show Obama even with or losing to a generic Republic candidate.


    Add to this the following factors:
    • There is a huge enthusiasm gap between Republicans and Democrats

    • The overall economy is still very bad and is unlikely to improve significantly by election day.

    • Issue polling wrt Obama is bad, particularly on the economy and healthcare.

  • trumptmantrumptman Posts: 16,196member
    This is a great read!



    Quote:

    In just three years Mr. Obama has been such an inspiring leader, confidence-builder, political organizer, and policy-maker that he simultaneously faces a do-nothing Congress, a do-nothing business community, and a do-nothing economy. No wonder most Americans these days tell pollsters they’re dissatisfied with his presidency.



    That is the quote that kills it for accuracy for sure. A leader whom no one is following, just like the wonderful occupy movement.



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    At various times he has blamed the stagnant U.S. economy of 2009-2011 on President Bush, on the financial crisis of 2008, on the Japanese tsunami, the “Arab Spring,” the European debt crisis, the weather – and now, on otherwise productive Americans who’ve mysteriously become “soft,” “lazy,” “un-ambitious,” and “un-imaginative.”



    At the same time, Obama’s administration demands still more taxes from top wealth-creators, blocks bank dividends, precludes Boeing from opening a new plant in South Carolina, stalls deep-water drilling in the Gulf, subsidizes corrupt loss-makers like Solyndra, and nixes the proposed Keystone Pipeline.



    Actions have consequences and especially with regard to energy production, that sentence perfectly encapsulates what Obama is doing for energy. If you want to drill for it or move what has been drilled for, then the answer is no. If you want a half trillion to go bankrupt and steal with the right good intention, then his arms are open.



    Also don't ever sweat the liberal media complex turning gun running or crony-energy-capitalism into a scandal, they've got your back for sure.



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    All of them. Obama despises capitalism and its moral underpinnings (rational greed), but in times like these he also yearns for its abundant and beneficial effects. He can’t and won’t ever reconcile this blatant contradiction, and that’s the real root of his current frustrations and insults.



    Rational greed or rational self-interest to our friends who can't get past a certain word that is like a slur to them, is the basis of capitalism, and when you declare you support capitalism, but just want the greed or self-interest gone from it and turned over to committees, regulation and government control, then what you support isn't capitalism but socialism, fascism or communism depending upon the particulars of your reasons for grabbing power away from individuals to what length you will go to take that power.
  • trumptmantrumptman Posts: 16,196member
    Obama should step aside.



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    Certainly, Mr. Obama could still win re-election in 2012. Even with his all-time low job approval ratings (and even worse ratings on handling the economy) the president could eke out a victory in November. But the kind of campaign required for the president's political survival would make it almost impossible for him to govern—not only during the campaign, but throughout a second term.



    Put simply, it seems that the White House has concluded that if the president cannot run on his record, he will need to wage the most negative campaign in history to stand any chance. With his job approval ratings below 45% overall and below 40% on the economy, the president cannot affirmatively make the case that voters are better off now than they were four years ago. He—like everyone else—knows that they are worse off.



    Hope and change is going to be burning down anything that stands in the way of reelection no matter the harm to the nation.
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