It looks like I'm in the minority here, but I love lion. I recently bought an MBA and am working on it all day while I'm onsite at a client's office. It took a few days to get used to, but the new paradigms introduced-mission control, launch pad, gestures-are very useful.
That said, I cannot upgrade my old iMac because of the processor. Also, the client for whom I'm working runs a fairly large Mac-based office. They are running SL on all machines, but I attribute this more to a sensibly conservative approach toward OS upgrades.
If anything I think the Required specs weren't high enough. My 2010 MBP is really quite slow on Lion. I did a clean install and everything and sometimes I can literally count to ten before Safari loads a page
I'm typing this on a 2009 MBP, and it's running faster than on Snow Leopard. I've got a 2006 Mac Pro on Lion too, also running faster than SL. Did you do a completely clean install, without restoring user settings too?
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I have Lion installed but have issues with it that almost make me want to roll back to Snow Leopard. One of the biggest problems I have is with Quicktime X, it is not all configurable and it auto pops up any last clips played and remembers the last movies you played (no way to set that easily)
I refuse to upgrade to Lion until Apple forces me to upgrade (either when I purchase a new machine, or when MobileMe is discontinued). There are many reasons why:
1. The new interface is horrible. I'm not just talking about the new scrollbars (or lack thereof), I'm talking about the new look of the apps -- in particular, Address Book. Address Book isn't just a gigantic step backwards in user interface, it's a gigantic step backwards in USABILITY!! We need 3 columns of information in Address Book! iCal is horrible too, but at least we have BusyCal as the superior alternative to iCal. We are holding out hope that BusyMac will release an Address Book alternative, too.
2. No support for PowerPC apps. Sorry, Apple, but I still depend on some discontinued PowerPC apps on a daily basis, such as Quicken and Adobe GoLive CS. I'm slowly making the transition to iBank instead of Quicken, and I still need a long time before I can shift my website from GoLive to Wordpress. So I absolutely can't upgrade to Lion at this point, because 2 of my key applications depend on PowerPC support.
3. As an advanced user, I want an easy way to troubleshoot my Mac and to be able to reinstall the system. The whole "no DVD" thing makes me very hesitant to embrace Lion, as I'm not so sure that Apple has nailed this whole "troubleshooting without a DVD" yet. I'm going to give Apple time to shake out their bugs.
4. I am not thrilled with the many reported bugs in regards to iCloud and many other 3rd-party apps. I'm gonna wait until these bugs are all resolved.
5. I've had FIRST-HAND EXPERIENCE with people running Lion on their Macs, and it is slooooooow slooooow slooooow as molasses. No thank you, Apple.
But it seems like I'll be forced to upgrade by June 2012 to Lion. It makes me very unhappy with Apple that they discontinued MobileMe but made its replacement Lion-only! I need to sync my Address Book and Safari Bookmarks across multiple devices, so what Apple is telling me is that I am going to be FORCED to upgrade to Lion by June 2012. Not cool, Apple. Not cool at all. Apple should really bring iCloud support to Snow Leopard, instead of slapping their loyal customers in the face by forcing them to upgrade. (I'm also disappointed with Apple removing iPhoto Gallery publishing, which we used all the time in the past.)
I think it's all about the "features". After a few months running Lion, I ended up having to down-grade back to Snow Leopard on my primary desktop. All of these new features just slow you down. Mission Control, the new iCal interface, the new Address Book interface, and so much more. They just add so many new steps. The big difference between an iPad and a Mac is that on an iPad, you can only look at one thing at a time. On a Mac, you can have many windows at once. So making the Mac's interface similar to an iPad's interface, means adding many extra steps to your workflow, and each step is like a speed bump slowing you down.
And lets not count-out rosetta. Anyone with MS Office 2004 and older, Adobe CS2 and older, QuickBooks 2007 & older (QB2007 is a UB, but simply doesn't work with Lion), will have to spend hundreds more $$ upgrading everything else.
For me, the benefits of going back to 10.6 were primarily, a much smoother, more streamlined workflow (compared to Lion). Also 10.6 runs much faster on my Mac Pro than Lion did, even without TRIM support. 10.7 couldn't connect to my 10.5 Server's VPN, so on Lion I had to use a 10.5 VM to connect. Thankfully I don't have to do that any more. Also there are bugs with 10.7's Server Admin that don't work quite right with 10.5 Server. And 10.5 Server's admin apps won't run on 10.7 even though they are UB. So that also ran in the VM. And I installed GoLive CS1 in the VM because I still use that program every once in a while. Now all of that is gone and I'm back to my old, fast self.
I also have a 13" MacBook Pro which I left on Lion. And the telling thing is that with it's small screen, these features like mission control, actually aren't so bad. But on a desktop with a big screen (or two), 10.7 is not so great.
OH and it is fantastic having my scroll bar arrows back!!!!!
I don't get some some of your issues. For instance, the lack of scroll bars by default complaint. It is totally customizable. You can control that setting in system preferences to make the scroll bar show all the time. I also think it makes sense to have the scroll bar be hidden by default. One of the other big features in Lion was full screen mode, and the scroll bar hidden looks better to my eye when in full screen mode, which I am in quite a bit. I suppose ultimately the matter is subjective to the user, but I can't see Apple's decision here being half baked. Ultimately, it shouldn't' matter as you can change the setting to however you want.
I also don't' get the auto save grievance. You can still manually save by hitting the same key command. You can also create a saved version in the menu. So there is no loss of functionality. The user gains.
I'd guess most people do not need a boot disk, as they have no idea how to use it. If you are advanced enough to know how to use one, you probably will figure out you can create a bootable Lion disk yourself.
Again I think this is subjective, but I also think the gestures are pretty straight forward. If you are not used to using gestures in general that can be a little hard to get accustomed to doing. That is somewhat customizable as well.
I don't use Logic, so I can't' help you with that one. I do have a few issues though. Not so much with Lion, but with over all consistency. For instance, on most Lion apps the full screen button is on the far top right hand corner of the title bar. For some apps, like Pages, the button is toward the left hand side of the title bar. Moreover, the way you exit full screen mode is different in Pages as in other apps. The icons also vary. I really dislike inconsistency in the OS. In addition, I find the new gestures in Safari for going backward and forward for webpages already visited incredible fun and useful. However, Safari has become somewhat buggy making my enjoyment somewhat tempered. For instance, I occasionally find Safari freezing, which is very frustrating.
Lion can be tweaked further by using something like Lion Tweaks (a free app).
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But the lack of scroll bars by default is weird, the gestures are so vague I'm never quite sure what is going to happen when I make one on the trackpad... And finally the lockout from the boot disk makes life painful for the advanced user... Also I like a save option in my apps...
Yeah lion is somewhat half baked, lots of good stuff with far too much bad :-/
-edit- oh and why does Logic 8 not work from the desktop... Totally brain dead
I don't get some some of your issues. For instance, the lack of scroll bars by default complaint. It is totally customizable. You can control that setting in system preferences to make the scroll bar show all the time. I also think it makes sense to have the scroll bar be hidden by default. One of the other big features in Lion was full screen mode, and the scroll bar hidden looks better to my eye when in full screen mode, which I am in quite a bit. I suppose ultimately the matter is subjective to the user, but I can't see Apple's decision here being half baked. Ultimately, it shouldn't' matter as you can change the setting to however you want.
I don't know if this was directed at me or not, but: My issue isn't that scroll bars are hidden by default. Because like you said, they are very easy to bring back. My issue is that scroll bars have no arrows. If you have super long content, like a 10,000 item inbox. And it's being views in a very small view, like 8 lines at a time. And you want to go to YESTERDAY, it is VERY difficult in Lion. On Snow Leopard, it's a piece of cake. It can be done on Lion, but scrolling is just one more speed bump slowing you down on Lion. And this is another feature that isn't much of a problem on my laptop, since you use a trackpad to scroll. But for desktop users that still use mice, it's a huge hassle.
What the hell use is "All my files" for anyone who's owned a computer for more than a week?
It seems Apple's iOS-ification of OS X isn't going down that well.
Completely agree. I have never in all the time that I've used a computer needed to see a list of All My files. Take this away, and bring back Library visible by default!! I mean ffs?
My experience is the opposite. This might just be a difference in how our work flow operates and what type of system we are using. On a Macbook, I use gestures a lot. You can flip between desktops using Mission Control, open Launchpad, and accomplish a bunch more just by using gestures on the trackpad. This to me makes things a lot quicker. For instance, if while using Safari I want to go find a site I have been at ten minutes ago, I can quickly flip through past sites using the track pad. It is much much quicker then strolling up to the menu bar. It also looks way cooler. I suppose it might take a little time becoming used to using gestures as opposed to the cursor. Also if you don't' have a trackpad, much of Lions' benefits wouldn't be realized.
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I think it's all about the "features". After a few months running Lion, I ended up having to down-grade back to Snow Leopard on my primary desktop. All of these new features just slow you down.
I really don't get that grievance either because the arrows slowed things down. You used to have to move the cursor over to the appropriate arrow and carefully click it to scroll to where you wanted to go. Now you use two fingers on the track pad, which doesn't require one to carefully navigate the cursor. If I really want to use the scroll bar, I just tap anywhere above or below the scroll bar as opposed to having to aim for the arrows. I also don't have to careful guide my cursor to the small tab and hold the mouse button down to size my windows.
Again to each their own, but I think for the most part Lion is a big step forward.
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OH and it is fantastic having my scroll bar arrows back!!!!!
Mid 2011 MBP running snow leopard and it's just fine.. no real desire to upgrade.
I think that's the issue.
Snow Leopard was a great OS. There really isn't much driving force for Lion. No real 'must have' features and no widespread problems with SL. Plus, of course, people using older versions of software might have problems with the loss of Rosetta (thanks a lot, Intuit). I'm not surprised that not very many people upgraded. Heck, I only upgraded one of my 2 Macs.
TBell you are missing the point. I don't have a track pad. I use a desktop. And I really don't have room for a full size keyboard, an apple trackpad, and a mouse on my desktop. So scrolling "a little bit" went from clicking on a scroll bar arrow, to grabbing the scroll "bar", trying to move it as slightly as possible. Then going back cause you want to far. Then repeating several times. Then giving up and doing a search. But only getting partial results so doing a few more searches. It was a nightmare.
I agree with the bring the user Library back by default. That one baffled me. You can accomplish this easily by using Lion Tweaks. I like the All My File feature though. It organizes files by file type and in the order of recent use. It provides people another way to find docs. Or if you don't know the name of a docs, you can easily look for it by file type.
Apple does listen though. I remember when Leopard first shipped. Apple shipped it by only allowing people to view files as stacks within the Dock. You couldn't view things as a list, which was the old way. People complained and Apple added the option back.
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Completely agree. I have never in all the time that I've used a computer needed to see a list of All My files. Take this away, and bring back Library visible by default!! I mean ffs?
What I read about Lion before its release was enough to make me purchase one of the last MacBook Pros that shipped with Snow Leopard pre-installed. I did download Lion, as it was free, but I have not installed it. I have played with it some at my local Apple Store, but don?t plan to ever install it. Lion is really geared to new users who are inexperienced with computers. And that, I think, is where Apple is going with both its hardware and software. You can see it in Final Cut Pro, you can see it in the ever-growing emphasis on iOS, and the convergence of iOS and Mac OS. Don?t get me wrong. I love iOS?on iOS devices. But the conceit of iOS breaks down after you have some 50 documents or so. Apple appears to be moving in the direction of creating dumbed down information appliances that will be extremely useful to beginning computer users, but not very useful once you graduate from that category. I hope I?m wrong, but I fear I?m not.
I agree with the bring the user Library back by default. That one baffled me. You can accomplish this easily by using Lion Tweaks. I like the All My File feature though. It organizes files by file type and in the order of recent use. It provides people another way to find docs. Or if you don't know the name of a docs, you can easily look for it by file type.
Apple does listen though. I remember when Leopard first shipped. Apple shipped it by only allowing people to view files as stacks within the Dock. You couldn't view things as a list, which was the old way. People complained and Apple added the option back.
TBell I gotta tell you, the way you reply to someone else, and then show their quote UNDER what you say, is really confusing. You might want to stick to the traditional way of quoting, which is quote first, then reply.
For me it is stability. Any Apple OS that ends in version .0 needs time to ripen. Of course, I didn't upgrade to Snow Leopard until it was 10.6.4, which was pretty late in the game. But, I plan to install Lion, no doubt.
I suspect as the article says it's partly the iOS feature-creep that some don't like, along with removal of Rosetta, and perhaps even the lack of Java (although it's auto-installed when needed). Also, I bet quite a high proportion of people are refraining because they don't have access to a high speed connection to download, or simply prefer to have a physical copy of the OS. Paying much more for a USB version isn't going to help matters.
Apple's always pushing technology forward, but perhaps a choice for Lion's install media would have been more appropriate. They could have tested the water with Lion, giving people a choice of DVD or App Store. 10.8 could then have been the time to let go of the old physical media installs.
Perhaps because it is that I am getting older. I did buy Lion then after a trial install which I discarded here I am back at Snow Leopard. I missed Rosetta , there are things Apple Works does and so easily. The new bells and whistles of Lion Just did not turn me on. Although I must admit that I may be getting somewhat tired I started 25 years ago with my Mac Plus running 6.04 and have gone through every OS since. The way Apple decided to distribute 10.7 and its updates did not make me feel comfortable. First thing I did was to figure out how to make Lion into a bootable install DVD,so I shall not have to ever re-download it again. I would like to suggest to Apple they come half way. BY all means make it a download OS . However make it an archive which can then be used to create a bootable DVD. Finally follow the same pattern for Updates.
I get that. Our difference of opinion likely is because of our equipment set up and work flow. I think Lion really is designed for the trackpad. If you are using a mouse, I can see how in many ways Snow Leopard might be better. For better or worst, I think Apple envisions a future where everybody is using a trackpad as opposed to a mouse. Even if I had a desktop Mac, I wouldn't use a mouse. They feel antiquated to me.
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TBell you are missing the point. I don't have a track pad. I use a desktop. And I really don't have room for a full size keyboard, an apple trackpad, and a mouse on my desktop. So scrolling "a little bit" went from clicking on a scroll bar arrow, to grabbing the scroll "bar", trying to move it as slightly as possible. Then going back cause you want to far. Then repeating several times. Then giving up and doing a search. But only getting partial results so doing a few more searches. It was a nightmare.
TBell I gotta tell you, the way you reply to someone else, and then show their quote UNDER what you say, is really confusing. You might want to stick to the traditional way of quoting, which is quote first, then reply.
I get that. Our difference of opinion likely is because of our equipment set up and work flow. I think Lion really is designed for the trackpad. If you are using a mouse, I can see how in many ways Snow Leopard might be better. For better or worst, I think Apple envisions a future where everybody is using a trackpad as opposed to a mouse. Even if I had a desktop Mac, I wouldn't use a mouse. They feel antiquated to me.
Gestures are great, but you just can't get the cursor speed or precision of a mouse, with a trackpad.
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That said, I cannot upgrade my old iMac because of the processor. Also, the client for whom I'm working runs a fairly large Mac-based office. They are running SL on all machines, but I attribute this more to a sensibly conservative approach toward OS upgrades.
If anything I think the Required specs weren't high enough. My 2010 MBP is really quite slow on Lion. I did a clean install and everything and sometimes I can literally count to ten before Safari loads a page
I'm typing this on a 2009 MBP, and it's running faster than on Snow Leopard. I've got a 2006 Mac Pro on Lion too, also running faster than SL. Did you do a completely clean install, without restoring user settings too?
I have Lion installed but have issues with it that almost make me want to roll back to Snow Leopard. One of the biggest problems I have is with Quicktime X, it is not all configurable and it auto pops up any last clips played and remembers the last movies you played (no way to set that easily)
Have a look here.
1. The new interface is horrible. I'm not just talking about the new scrollbars (or lack thereof), I'm talking about the new look of the apps -- in particular, Address Book. Address Book isn't just a gigantic step backwards in user interface, it's a gigantic step backwards in USABILITY!! We need 3 columns of information in Address Book! iCal is horrible too, but at least we have BusyCal as the superior alternative to iCal. We are holding out hope that BusyMac will release an Address Book alternative, too.
2. No support for PowerPC apps. Sorry, Apple, but I still depend on some discontinued PowerPC apps on a daily basis, such as Quicken and Adobe GoLive CS. I'm slowly making the transition to iBank instead of Quicken, and I still need a long time before I can shift my website from GoLive to Wordpress. So I absolutely can't upgrade to Lion at this point, because 2 of my key applications depend on PowerPC support.
3. As an advanced user, I want an easy way to troubleshoot my Mac and to be able to reinstall the system. The whole "no DVD" thing makes me very hesitant to embrace Lion, as I'm not so sure that Apple has nailed this whole "troubleshooting without a DVD" yet. I'm going to give Apple time to shake out their bugs.
4. I am not thrilled with the many reported bugs in regards to iCloud and many other 3rd-party apps. I'm gonna wait until these bugs are all resolved.
5. I've had FIRST-HAND EXPERIENCE with people running Lion on their Macs, and it is slooooooow slooooow slooooow as molasses. No thank you, Apple.
But it seems like I'll be forced to upgrade by June 2012 to Lion. It makes me very unhappy with Apple that they discontinued MobileMe but made its replacement Lion-only! I need to sync my Address Book and Safari Bookmarks across multiple devices, so what Apple is telling me is that I am going to be FORCED to upgrade to Lion by June 2012. Not cool, Apple. Not cool at all. Apple should really bring iCloud support to Snow Leopard, instead of slapping their loyal customers in the face by forcing them to upgrade. (I'm also disappointed with Apple removing iPhoto Gallery publishing, which we used all the time in the past.)
Just not thrilled with Apple right about now.
And lets not count-out rosetta. Anyone with MS Office 2004 and older, Adobe CS2 and older, QuickBooks 2007 & older (QB2007 is a UB, but simply doesn't work with Lion), will have to spend hundreds more $$ upgrading everything else.
For me, the benefits of going back to 10.6 were primarily, a much smoother, more streamlined workflow (compared to Lion). Also 10.6 runs much faster on my Mac Pro than Lion did, even without TRIM support. 10.7 couldn't connect to my 10.5 Server's VPN, so on Lion I had to use a 10.5 VM to connect. Thankfully I don't have to do that any more. Also there are bugs with 10.7's Server Admin that don't work quite right with 10.5 Server. And 10.5 Server's admin apps won't run on 10.7 even though they are UB. So that also ran in the VM. And I installed GoLive CS1 in the VM because I still use that program every once in a while. Now all of that is gone and I'm back to my old, fast self.
I also have a 13" MacBook Pro which I left on Lion. And the telling thing is that with it's small screen, these features like mission control, actually aren't so bad. But on a desktop with a big screen (or two), 10.7 is not so great.
OH and it is fantastic having my scroll bar arrows back!!!!!
I also don't' get the auto save grievance. You can still manually save by hitting the same key command. You can also create a saved version in the menu. So there is no loss of functionality. The user gains.
I'd guess most people do not need a boot disk, as they have no idea how to use it. If you are advanced enough to know how to use one, you probably will figure out you can create a bootable Lion disk yourself.
Again I think this is subjective, but I also think the gestures are pretty straight forward. If you are not used to using gestures in general that can be a little hard to get accustomed to doing. That is somewhat customizable as well.
I don't use Logic, so I can't' help you with that one. I do have a few issues though. Not so much with Lion, but with over all consistency. For instance, on most Lion apps the full screen button is on the far top right hand corner of the title bar. For some apps, like Pages, the button is toward the left hand side of the title bar. Moreover, the way you exit full screen mode is different in Pages as in other apps. The icons also vary. I really dislike inconsistency in the OS. In addition, I find the new gestures in Safari for going backward and forward for webpages already visited incredible fun and useful. However, Safari has become somewhat buggy making my enjoyment somewhat tempered. For instance, I occasionally find Safari freezing, which is very frustrating.
Lion can be tweaked further by using something like Lion Tweaks (a free app).
But the lack of scroll bars by default is weird, the gestures are so vague I'm never quite sure what is going to happen when I make one on the trackpad... And finally the lockout from the boot disk makes life painful for the advanced user... Also I like a save option in my apps...
Yeah lion is somewhat half baked, lots of good stuff with far too much bad :-/
-edit- oh and why does Logic 8 not work from the desktop... Totally brain dead
And I went back to SL.
Lion is a fucking joke! A abhorent iOSX interface with lots of problems... It is the worst OSX to date.. Will be hoping for a MAC OS next time
I don't get some some of your issues. For instance, the lack of scroll bars by default complaint. It is totally customizable. You can control that setting in system preferences to make the scroll bar show all the time. I also think it makes sense to have the scroll bar be hidden by default. One of the other big features in Lion was full screen mode, and the scroll bar hidden looks better to my eye when in full screen mode, which I am in quite a bit. I suppose ultimately the matter is subjective to the user, but I can't see Apple's decision here being half baked. Ultimately, it shouldn't' matter as you can change the setting to however you want.
I don't know if this was directed at me or not, but: My issue isn't that scroll bars are hidden by default. Because like you said, they are very easy to bring back. My issue is that scroll bars have no arrows. If you have super long content, like a 10,000 item inbox. And it's being views in a very small view, like 8 lines at a time. And you want to go to YESTERDAY, it is VERY difficult in Lion. On Snow Leopard, it's a piece of cake. It can be done on Lion, but scrolling is just one more speed bump slowing you down on Lion. And this is another feature that isn't much of a problem on my laptop, since you use a trackpad to scroll. But for desktop users that still use mice, it's a huge hassle.
What the hell use is "All my files" for anyone who's owned a computer for more than a week?
It seems Apple's iOS-ification of OS X isn't going down that well.
Completely agree. I have never in all the time that I've used a computer needed to see a list of All My files. Take this away, and bring back Library visible by default!! I mean ffs?
I don't think its any of the complicated reasons. Its the same reason so many people still use XP.
There isn't much motivation to upgrade.
And the nail was hit square upon its head.
Upgrading is a pain, plain and simple. While I was excited about Lion my wife said "No, just leave it alone. It works fine." And it does.
I upgraded the house iMac and she goes from that to her laptop and I'm really not sure she notices the difference.
I think it's all about the "features". After a few months running Lion, I ended up having to down-grade back to Snow Leopard on my primary desktop. All of these new features just slow you down.
I really don't get that grievance either because the arrows slowed things down. You used to have to move the cursor over to the appropriate arrow and carefully click it to scroll to where you wanted to go. Now you use two fingers on the track pad, which doesn't require one to carefully navigate the cursor. If I really want to use the scroll bar, I just tap anywhere above or below the scroll bar as opposed to having to aim for the arrows. I also don't have to careful guide my cursor to the small tab and hold the mouse button down to size my windows.
Again to each their own, but I think for the most part Lion is a big step forward.
OH and it is fantastic having my scroll bar arrows back!!!!!
Mid 2011 MBP running snow leopard and it's just fine.. no real desire to upgrade.
I think that's the issue.
Snow Leopard was a great OS. There really isn't much driving force for Lion. No real 'must have' features and no widespread problems with SL. Plus, of course, people using older versions of software might have problems with the loss of Rosetta (thanks a lot, Intuit). I'm not surprised that not very many people upgraded. Heck, I only upgraded one of my 2 Macs.
Apple does listen though. I remember when Leopard first shipped. Apple shipped it by only allowing people to view files as stacks within the Dock. You couldn't view things as a list, which was the old way. People complained and Apple added the option back.
Completely agree. I have never in all the time that I've used a computer needed to see a list of All My files. Take this away, and bring back Library visible by default!! I mean ffs?
I agree with the bring the user Library back by default. That one baffled me. You can accomplish this easily by using Lion Tweaks. I like the All My File feature though. It organizes files by file type and in the order of recent use. It provides people another way to find docs. Or if you don't know the name of a docs, you can easily look for it by file type.
Apple does listen though. I remember when Leopard first shipped. Apple shipped it by only allowing people to view files as stacks within the Dock. You couldn't view things as a list, which was the old way. People complained and Apple added the option back.
TBell I gotta tell you, the way you reply to someone else, and then show their quote UNDER what you say, is really confusing. You might want to stick to the traditional way of quoting, which is quote first, then reply.
First the iPhone, now Lion. Apple must be doomed.
For me it is stability. Any Apple OS that ends in version .0 needs time to ripen. Of course, I didn't upgrade to Snow Leopard until it was 10.6.4, which was pretty late in the game. But, I plan to install Lion, no doubt.
I suspect as the article says it's partly the iOS feature-creep that some don't like, along with removal of Rosetta, and perhaps even the lack of Java (although it's auto-installed when needed). Also, I bet quite a high proportion of people are refraining because they don't have access to a high speed connection to download, or simply prefer to have a physical copy of the OS. Paying much more for a USB version isn't going to help matters.
Apple's always pushing technology forward, but perhaps a choice for Lion's install media would have been more appropriate. They could have tested the water with Lion, giving people a choice of DVD or App Store. 10.8 could then have been the time to let go of the old physical media installs.
Perhaps because it is that I am getting older. I did buy Lion then after a trial install which I discarded here I am back at Snow Leopard. I missed Rosetta , there are things Apple Works does and so easily. The new bells and whistles of Lion Just did not turn me on. Although I must admit that I may be getting somewhat tired I started 25 years ago with my Mac Plus running 6.04 and have gone through every OS since. The way Apple decided to distribute 10.7 and its updates did not make me feel comfortable. First thing I did was to figure out how to make Lion into a bootable install DVD,so I shall not have to ever re-download it again. I would like to suggest to Apple they come half way. BY all means make it a download OS . However make it an archive which can then be used to create a bootable DVD. Finally follow the same pattern for Updates.
That is my 2 cents worth.
TBell you are missing the point. I don't have a track pad. I use a desktop. And I really don't have room for a full size keyboard, an apple trackpad, and a mouse on my desktop. So scrolling "a little bit" went from clicking on a scroll bar arrow, to grabbing the scroll "bar", trying to move it as slightly as possible. Then going back cause you want to far. Then repeating several times. Then giving up and doing a search. But only getting partial results so doing a few more searches. It was a nightmare.
TBell I gotta tell you, the way you reply to someone else, and then show their quote UNDER what you say, is really confusing. You might want to stick to the traditional way of quoting, which is quote first, then reply.
How is that?
I get that.
Gestures are great, but you just can't get the cursor speed or precision of a mouse, with a trackpad.