Tim Cook calls assault on Apple's ethics in China "patently false and offensive"

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in General Discussion edited January 2014


Responding to a report by the New York Times that castigated Apple over an alleged permissiveness and indifference for workers' conditions among the suppliers it contract with in China, its chief executive Tim Cook rebutted the accusations in an email expressing "any suggestion that we don’t care is patently false and offensive to us."



The report, published on Wednesday, cited former Apple executives as making comments such as, "We’ve known about labor abuses in some factories for four years, and they’re still going on. Why? Because the system works for us."



Another "former Apple executive with direct knowledge of the company's supplier responsibility group" was cited as saying, "If you see the same pattern of problems, year after year, that means the company’s ignoring the issue rather than solving it,” said another former Apple executive with direct knowledge of the company's supplier responsibility group. “Noncompliance is tolerated, as long as the suppliers promise to try harder next time. If we meant business, core violations would disappear."



Tim Cook's email to employees



A report published by The Next Web said Cook "has fired back at reports into issues surrounding the company’s operations and partners in emerging markets," reportedly writing in his letter to employees:



Team,



As a company and as individuals, we are defined by our values. Unfortunately some people are questioning Apple’s values today, and I’d like to address this with you directly. We care about every worker in our worldwide supply chain. Any accident is deeply troubling, and any issue with working conditions is cause for concern. Any suggestion that we don’t care is patently false and offensive to us. As you know better than anyone, accusations like these are contrary to our values. It’s not who we are.



For the many hundreds of you who are based at our suppliers’ manufacturing sites around the world, or spend long stretches working there away from your families, I know you are as outraged by this as I am. For the people who aren’t as close to the supply chain, you have a right to know the facts.



Every year we inspect more factories, raising the bar for our partners and going deeper into the supply chain. As we reported earlier this month, we’ve made a great deal of progress and improved conditions for hundreds of thousands of workers. We know of no one in our industry doing as much as we are, in as many places, touching as many people.



At the same time, no one has been more up front about the challenges we face. We are attacking problems aggressively with the help of the world’s foremost authorities on safety, the environment, and fair labor. It would be easy to look for problems in fewer places and report prettier results, but those would not be the actions of a leader.



Earlier this month we opened our supply chain for independent evaluations by the Fair Labor Association. Apple was in a unique position to lead the industry by taking this step, and we did it without hesitation. This will lead to more frequent and more transparent reporting on our supply chain, which we welcome. These are the kinds of actions our customers expect from Apple, and we will take more of them in the future.



We are focused on educating workers about their rights, so they are empowered to speak up when they see unsafe conditions or unfair treatment. As you know, more than a million people have been trained by our program.



We will continue to dig deeper, and we will undoubtedly find more issues. What we will not do — and never have done — is stand still or turn a blind eye to problems in our supply chain. On this you have my word. You can follow our progress at apple.com/supplierresponsibility.



To those within Apple who are tackling these issues every day, you have our thanks and admiration. Your work is significant and it is changing people’s lives. We are all proud to work alongside you.



Tim

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  • Reply 1 of 181
    tylerk36tylerk36 Posts: 1,037member
    Back in the early part of the 20th century workers in the US were mistreated until they formed unions. Of course the unions became corrupt and problems arose from that as well. But the workers got better treatment. Maybe what the workers need in these factories is a union. Probably won't happen any ways.
  • Reply 2 of 181
    What else would he say?
  • Reply 3 of 181
    Dan_DilgerDan_Dilger Posts: 1,583member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by redbarchetta View Post


    What else would he say?



    He could copy Samsung and say nothing about worker's rights.
  • Reply 4 of 181
    Actions speak louder than words.
  • Reply 5 of 181
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    Originally Posted by Corrections View Post


    He could copy Samsung and say nothing about worker's rights.



    At least Samsung isn't blowing smoke. Apple (and every tech company) could do far, far more than they are.
  • Reply 6 of 181
    Dan_DilgerDan_Dilger Posts: 1,583member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by redbarchetta View Post


    At least Samsung isn't blowing smoke. Apple (and every tech company) could do far, far more than they are.



    What do you know about anything in China? Apple is reporting the results of its audits. That's action. Samsung is reporting its sales are "quite smooth."



    Samsung has demonstrably lied about a variety of things that don't really matter. You wonder if the company exercises some actual ethics in the way it manages its workers? Not according to what the Chinese say.
  • Reply 7 of 181
    Dan_DilgerDan_Dilger Posts: 1,583member
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    Originally Posted by GalaxyTab View Post


    Actions speak louder than words.



    What speaks loudest is an Android phone.



    I was sitting next to this woman on the plan and it was "DROID!!!" over and over again. How embarrassing.
  • Reply 8 of 181
    Professional.

    Assertive.

    Eloquent.

    Direct.

    Open.

    Jobs.



    While I read through Tim's email....those are the words that came to mind.



    As a consumer and shareholder I am more than happy with Tim's statement and his style of handling the hubbub. Very Apple and very Jobs-like, which is why I saved it for the last word in my list.
  • Reply 9 of 181
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by tylerk36 View Post


    Back in the early part of the 20th century workers in the US were mistreated until they formed unions. Of course the unions became corrupt and problems arose from that as well. But the workers got better treatment. Maybe what the workers need in these factories is a union. Probably won't happen any ways.



    Unions were generally formed as a result of a mass strike. Maybe that's what the Chinese workers need to do is form a mass strike, not just Foxconn but all workers who are working in the same or worse conditions. "Force" the government to enact some legislation to ensure better working conditions.
  • Reply 10 of 181
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by tru_canuk View Post


    Unions were generally formed as a result of a mass strike. Maybe that's what the Chinese workers need to do is form a mass strike, not just Foxconn but all workers who are working in the same or worse conditions. "Force" the government to enact some legislation to ensure better working conditions.



    Apple stated that Foxconn could hire thousands of people in a single day. How would a strike help with thousands are waiting to get in? Doesn't Foxconn employee hundreds of thousands of workers? I would if you could get them all the strike at the same time. Anything less and I imagine hiring new workers would be faster than actually negotiating with them, not to mention there isn't the hassle of a union in the future. I'm sure it will happen sometime, I just don't see it happening in the near future.
  • Reply 11 of 181
    jd_in_sbjd_in_sb Posts: 1,600member
    Glad Cook didn't take the bait and bash the NYT. That would just feed their ego. Instead he bashed the accusations. Great response.
  • Reply 12 of 181
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    Originally Posted by Corrections View Post


    What do you know about anything in China?



    More than you, I suspect.



    Have you seen The Agony and Ecstasy of Steve Jobs? I have.



    http://www.slate.com/articles/arts/c...viewed_.3.html



    It's a brilliant 2-hour show that retells first-hand accounts of what happens in the factories where the iPhone is produced, in even more vivid detail than the damning NY Times article.
  • Reply 13 of 181
    djsherlydjsherly Posts: 1,031member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Dickprinter View Post


    Professional.

    Assertive.

    Eloquent.

    Direct.

    Open.

    Jobs.



    While I read through Tim's email....those are the words that came to mind.



    As a consumer and shareholder I am more than happy with Tim's statement and his style of handling the hubbub. Very Apple and very Jobs-like, which is why I saved it for the last word in my list.



    Paedo Jobs. What an unfortunately ordered list.
  • Reply 14 of 181
    slurpyslurpy Posts: 5,384member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by redbarchetta View Post


    More than you, I suspect.



    Have you seen The Agony and Ecstasy of Steve Jobs? I have.



    http://www.slate.com/articles/arts/c...viewed_.3.html



    It's a brilliant 2-hour show that retells first-hand accounts of what happens in the factories where the iPhone is produced, in even more vivid detail than the damning NY Times article.



    ..this is the extent of your insight on China? You're basis your assertion that 'Apple can do much, much more' on...the insight gained from this radioshow? I would call this a joke post, but it seems clear you're being serious, so I pity your apparent naivety and childishness. Yeah the show is well done and emotionally manipulative, but from a perspective of actual knowledge, it doesn't disclose anything that most people who have a shred of info on the subject know. Also, the guy admitted to making stuff up and exaggeration to get a more powerful response. How utterly clueless of you. I guarantee you, you are in no position to comment on whether Apple can do more or not, because you have no clue about the dynamics of the situation. And you've just proved it to everyone, since you apparently 'discovered' the China situation just now from this show. I'll take Cook's word over yours- at least there's a chance he knows what he's talking about, and has credentials beyond 'armchair message-board expert that just found out Foxconn existed last week'.
  • Reply 15 of 181
    normmnormm Posts: 653member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by redbarchetta View Post


    More than you, I suspect.

    Have you seen The Agony and Ecstasy of Steve Jobs? I have.

    http://www.slate.com/articles/arts/c...viewed_.3.html

    It's a brilliant 2-hour show that retells first-hand accounts of what happens in the factories where the iPhone is produced, in even more vivid detail than the damning NY Times article.



    This American Life broadcast part of this show recently. The second part of the radio program was independent fact checking on part 1, and was actually pretty favorable towards Apple.
  • Reply 16 of 181
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Slurpy View Post


    ..this is the extent of your insight on China?



    No. I also didn't listen to a "radio show;" I saw it in person. Please tell me which parts were made up, I'd love to know.
  • Reply 17 of 181
    drdoppiodrdoppio Posts: 1,132member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by djsherly View Post


    Paedo Jobs. What an unfortunately ordered list.



    LOL! Maybe a hint towards the kind of jobs offered at those companies?



    On a serious note, Mr Cook's letter is very well written, and says what needs to be said. I don't believe Apple needs to apologize any more than anyone else in the industry, and I applaud that they are taking the lead in improving conditions and raising awareness. Local governments should be forced to do their fair share, too.
  • Reply 18 of 181
    slurpyslurpy Posts: 5,384member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by redbarchetta View Post


    No. I also didn't listen to a "radio show;" I saw it in person. Please tell me which parts were made up, I'd love to know.



    I doubt that. Considering you your response to 'what do you know about China' was point to the radio show, proud of the fact that you listened to it, then specifically mention the NYT article, it woud seem you would have also mentioned a small detail like being in China and seeing things in person the 1st time as your response, and basis for your insight. Also, I skimmed your previous post, and not ONCE did you post ANYTHING about the subject before this became the trendy news of the week- when everyone else started posting about it. One would think, if you had 1st had knowledge and were so concerned about the situation, you would have done your duty and maybe spoke out about it here before the radioplay.

    Unless you're talking about seeing the play in person..which changes nothing from listening to it, of course, in terms of real knowledge obtained.



    Also, there was a part 2 of cross-checking on that show. But I suspect, you didnt quite get that far.



    Also, even if theoretically speaking you did see some things in person, how would that put you in a position to confidently say that Apple can do more? It can't, unless you've spent years at Apple itself, and found out firsthand exactly what they're doing and not doing, and the extent of what could be done beyond that if anything. If not, you're basically talking out of your ass and coming up with your own conclusions that you can't possibly have the information to do. Maybe if we had, I don't know, ONE example of ONE company doing more than Apple on this front, we could say with conclusive certainty that it can be done. But that's not the situation, and you're in no position to say that the company who is doing the most can certainly do 'much, much more' in context of the dynamics of the situation.
  • Reply 19 of 181
    The timing of this article is suspicious at best, it reminds me of that article about Apple board searching for CEO.

    Apple report a blowout quarter and the accusation come in. I don't say the reports completely false, but targeting Apple only is completely wrong, partial truth is worst than a lie. That bad situation is in most of the third world factories, people need to put food in the table and they will endure every thing for that, and always there will be some one to exploit their need.

    I would like a comparison with other companies as well.

    Its always good to look who will benefit from a certain situation .
  • Reply 20 of 181
    bertpbertp Posts: 274member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by jd_in_sb View Post


    Glad Cook didn't take the bait and bash the NYT. That would just feed their ego. Instead he bashed the accusations. Great response.



    I entirely agree.
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