Apple attacks Motorola's efforts to block iPhone 4S using standards patents, asks for huge damages

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  • suddenly newtonsuddenly newton Posts: 12,933member
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    Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post


    Which is why it isn't up to you. Purposely trolling anti-Apple rhetoric has no place here, but to suggest only Apple computers (rather, I assume you'd ban anything as long as it didn't report itself as the Safari browser) is nonsensical.







    In some cases, I agree. In others, we should let them talk themselves to death and bury them in their own confusion.



    Websites that only serve up content for one brand of web browser is antithetical to what the World Wide Web is about. Remember back in the 90s when web sites displayed buttons like "Best Viewed on Netscape" or "Best Viewed on Internet Explorer"? Or remember when websites would only render (or worse, only work) for IE5 or IE6? Those days, thankfully, are mostly behind us. And I don't miss 'em.



    Besides, where would I get my mindless entertainment from? Reading troll posts is like watching the hillbilly channel.
  • leeeh2leeeh2 Posts: 18member
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    Originally Posted by island hermit View Post


    In the back room at Google:



    Okay... if you carry the two and subtract 5 and then multiple it by 7 and then add 4... hmmm... "Hello, Motorola, we've just been crunching the numbers and we've decided that it will cost us less if we just pay you the $2.5 billion and back out of the deal. Oh... and good luck with that thing you have going with Apple. Bye."



    LOL!



    And best line ever, "Say hello to my little FRAND".
  • galbigalbi Posts: 968member
    Fueller is talking crap like he always does.



    He fluffed about the Oracle case in how it will severely damage Googles case.



    90+% of the suit brought by Oracle was dismissed.



    Fueller is all talk, no walk.





    To Apple: The FRAND issue is in Germany, not in California.



    This is just Apple's attempt to get something in the door in its home town as all the others have failed.
  • galbigalbi Posts: 968member
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    If it were up to me, any anti-Apple trolls would not be allowed on this forum and any violators would be banned for life (one strike and you're out!). Hell, if it were up to me, people would not be allowed to access this forum, unless they were on a Mac or iOS device. I don't come here for discussions with anti-Apple people, as I am not interested in anything that these people have to say. I am only interested in speaking with fellow Apple users. But that of course is not up to me, so all I can do as a user is to forcibly knock down any ignorant comments which anti-Apple people spew from their mouths. As opposed to what some other people might believe, I don't believe that ignoring ignorance is the best method for dealing with trolls. I believe that they should be confronted head on and killed as quickly as possible



    Your will fit right in with communism and socialism. Listening, preaching and practicing only the words and life styles of those from above. Never questioning and raising issues.



    This board need people like myself to help generate the clicks and posts to help generate ad revenues.
  • tallest skiltallest skil Posts: 39,470member
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    Originally Posted by leeeh2 View Post


    And best line ever, "Say hello to my little FRAND".



    Interesting. I was going to Photoshop something almost exactly like this (Tim Cook's head), but it seems my work has been done for me?



  • gatorguygatorguy Posts: 14,132member
    You post some of the funniest graphical arguments around TS. Keep 'em coming.
  • tallest skiltallest skil Posts: 39,470member
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    Originally Posted by Gatorguy View Post


    You post some of the funniest graphical arguments around TS.







    Thanks.
  • apple ][apple ][ Posts: 7,528member
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    Originally Posted by Galbi View Post


    Your will fit right in with communism and socialism. Listening, preaching and practicing only the words and life styles of those from above. Never questioning and raising issues.



    This board need people like myself to help generate the clicks and posts to help generate ad revenues.



    Nope, I can't stand commies and socialists as they both represent failed and evil political systems designed for ignorant beings who can't think for themselves.



    Not wanting anti-Apple trolls on an Apple forum has very little to do with what you suggested. I simply don't like anti-Apple people on an Apple site, imagine that.



    If I was on a Ford forum, I wouldn't want Nissan trolls popping by. If I was on a NY Yankees forum, I wouldn't want Boston Redsox trolls coming by. It's quite a simple concept, surely you can understand that?
  • herbapouherbapou Posts: 2,172member
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    Originally Posted by Nrevitzer View Post


    I find it totally entertaining that Apple is so sue happy with everyne else, but get really ticked when someone calls them out.



    We only allow Slappy to troll here. You're not welcome.



    Where is Slappy btw?
  • waldobushmanwaldobushman Posts: 774member
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    Originally Posted by irnchriz View Post


    I suspect that Apple and their legal teams have been aware that Apple are covered by the Qualcomm license. That probably waited this long to act just to give Motorola enough rope to hang itself.



    If they win this action Google will be quite happy that they have not completed the purchase of Motorola.



    I have no idea what the purchase agreement between Google and Motorola is, but from what has been stated on this forum previously, Motorola is required to get Google authority to take the legal action. Therefore, at least, Google's involvement in the Motorola suit against Apple puts them into the position of authorizing the precise actions which Google would use to back out of the Motorola deal, or modify the deal indicating Motorola is not worth the initially offered purchase price



    Unclean hands!



    It could also be the case that Google is actually directing Motorola actions. Either way then Google might be in more trouble. Assuming Apple wins, and things don't go Motorola's way in Europe, Motorola investors are likely to file suits against both Google and Motorola for wasting assets and decrease of stock price.
  • orthorimorthorim Posts: 134member
    well the thing is, nothing is said and done yet. Mr. Mueller sounds knowledgeable but he's always hyping how Apple has such a strong case on this and that and in the end... whoops, nothing happened. He's predicting huge outcomes that then never materialize.



    I am not going to cheer on Apple for "going nuclear" on Android - I think it's a losing strategy. A distraction at best. They're not going to ban Android for you, Apple. Sure they copy everything but for a lot of stuff they can't be prevented from doing so. Those design patents and marks - are just very weak. If Apple had just adopted Microsoft's (sneaky) strategy, they'd fare much better - Android makers would have to pay royalties to Apple for every Android sold. Principles sometimes do not translate into good business.



    The good thing is that Tim Cook seems rather level-headed so I am hoping he'll turn what is currently a crusade into a more effective strategic long term strategy. Apple should hire the top business attorney in the USA to oversee the efforts.They've got the cash...
  • tallest skiltallest skil Posts: 39,470member
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    Where is Slappy btw?



    Oddly silent indeed since the last quarterly earnings report.



    He'll be back when Apple "doesn't meet expectations" next quarter or if Samsung overtakes Apple in yearly "sales" again.
  • gatorguygatorguy Posts: 14,132member
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    Originally Posted by waldobushman View Post


    I have no idea what the purchase agreement between Google and Motorola is, but from what has been stated on this forum previously, Motorola is required to get Google authority to take the legal action. Therefore, at least, Google's involvement in the Motorola suit against Apple puts them into the position of authorizing the precise actions which Google would use to back out of the Motorola deal, or modify the deal indicating Motorola is not worth the initially offered purchase price



    Unclean hands!



    It could also be the case that Google is actually directing Motorola actions. Either way then Google might be in more trouble. Assuming Apple wins, and things don't go Motorola's way in Europe, Motorola investors are likely to file suits against both Google and Motorola for wasting assets and decrease of stock price.



    They supposedly need to get Google's blessing for new legal actions and probably any new pledges or contracts that might materially affect Motorola's liabilities or assets prior to the closing of the sale, which would be logical.



    The suit against Apple is not a new action. There would be no reason to assume that Google could order Moto to stop their legal actions that were committed to prior to Google purchase offer.



    Does that make sense?
  • anantksundaramanantksundaram Posts: 16,555member
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    This board need people like myself to help generate the clicks and posts to help generate ad revenues.



    Post or not, guys like you will never leave. You are incapable of doing so, or even looking away from news concerning Apple. You hate Apple, but yet you are drawn to it.



    As a result, AI will continue to get its hits.
  • charlitunacharlituna Posts: 7,056member
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    Originally Posted by sippincider View Post


    Why is Apple filing in California over problems in Germany?



    Because they aren't so much filing the suit over the suits in Germany as combatting the underlying game. Which Motorola likely intended to file in other countries but just hadn't done yet.



    Add to this that patent suits aren't as restricted when it comes to jurisdiction and the fact that all 3 players are companies that are doing business in the US (plus Cali is Apple's home state) and it's not that illogical.
  • charlitunacharlituna Posts: 7,056member
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    Originally Posted by rufwork View Post


    I don't understand; what's Motorola's endgame?



    Stop Apple from being competition or if that is not possible to get as much money out of them as possible.
  • rmb0037rmb0037 Posts: 142member
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    Originally Posted by AppleInsider View Post




    Qualcomm, the company building the baseband chips in Apple's iPhone 4S, reports in the complaint that "On January 11, 2011, Mr. Kirk Dailey, Motorola's Corporate Vice President, Intellectual Property, sent a letter to Qualcomm, copying Apple, purporting 'to terminate any and all license and covenant rights with respect to Apple, effective February 10, 2011 (30 days from the date of this letter).'"



    [ View article on AppleInsider ]



    I love how honest Qualcomm is
  • charlitunacharlituna Posts: 7,056member
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    It may be a profitable company, but recent FBI files tell a story that Apple will lie steal and cheat to get there way.



    Those are 20 year old files about Steve Jobs and how he was at that time. They do not necessarily reflect Apple as a company or Steve Jobs at the time of his death.



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    Plus they don't give a crap about the way there OEM factories are run.



    You have zero proof of that.
  • patrickrspatrickrs Posts: 28member
    Why do I get the distinct feeling that Apple has just sprung a trap?



    All of those pre-ambles with not contesting the original suit in Germany, getting banned there, getting un-banned there, and now this, with a potential of billions of upside.



    Risky business, for sure, but if it works it might become a textbook in future Contracts classes.
  • waldobushmanwaldobushman Posts: 774member
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    Originally Posted by Gatorguy View Post


    They supposedly need to get Google's blessing for new legal actions and probably any new pledges or contracts that might materially affect Motorola's liabilities or assets prior to the closing of the sale, which would be logical.



    The suit against Apple is not a new action. There would be no reason to assume that Google could order Moto to stop their legal actions that were committed to prior to Google purchase offer.



    Does that make sense?



    It might make sense, but it doesn't mean that is true, or that your interpretation of new action is as narrow as you want to make it. Complaints and responses are in constant change prior to trial, which can substantially alter the substance a case which a potential suitor would want to protect against, as can court rulings which may strengthen or weaken a case.
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