I think competition is good, but comparing SkyDrive to iCloud is sensationalist journalism at it's best, and making this comparison shows quite a bit of ignorance as to what the technology does and what it is for.
You need to read the latest info.
It looks like the next SkyDrive release does most of the stuff you mention for Windows devices.
I suppose it's like a cross between iCloud and DropBox with a few extra bits thrown in.
Kind of not the point though. This kind of fascist censorship completely eliminates SkyDrive from consideration for many people if the account is true. They have no right to look at your files. In Europe they could be taken to court over such behaviour.
When multiple users upload the same file on cloud storage services like Live Mesh and Dropbox only copy of the file exists, and each user is given a link to the file.
When a DMCA notice is received for a file shared by a user, the common practise is to remove that users link, but leave the actual file (and other users' links to that same file) intact.
Now here comes the crazy part!
As a part of the case against Megaupload it is alleged they didn't apply a comprehensive take-down method when notified of a copyright infringement via a DMCA take-down notice.
Essentially the DOJ is saying to comply with a DMCA take-down notice a cloud storage service provider must delete the actual file and therefore break all user links to file.
Megaupload (and I assume other cloud storage services) applied this method to child pornography. e.g. once a child pornography image was reported its file hash was saved in a black list, if anyone else tried to upload the same file it was rejected.
I'm not sure if Microsoft (or others) are applying the same method to copyrighted files, but depending on the DOJ against Megaupload at some point soon all cloud storage service providers may be compelled to implement it.
Doesn't this just amount to Microsoft's usual FUD? As in, see, eventually this product will be everything everybody wants, and will be so much better than everybody else, that they will just go out of business on their own and recommend us to all their current customers. Please wait for us to complete development...and design...and really, we are going to start working on this pretty soon...but whatever you do, don't buy any competing product because ours is going to be SO MUCH BETTER! And we'll give you a pony.
For example, iCloud gives me access to my media files for free without uploading them: all 1.5 TB of them.
Uh, not really.
You get 5GB free but that does not include any media.
I highly doubt you have purchased 1.5 GB of music and TV shows from iTunes.
You cannot redownload movies.
If you have iTunes Match (not free) you can upload (only song) songs not in iTunes but you are limited to 25,000 and they will be converted to 256 kbps..
I didn't know about the API stuff (which is interesting), but it doesn't help me at all really.
I like to keep things simple so I like to get all my online services form one place which has always been Apple. I don't even have a DropBox account because I find the idea of keeping stuff in two places somewhere between annoying and stressful (or perhaps both).
Despite the fact that the speed was always atrocious and the reliability poor, I miss the iDisk feature where one can share a large file with someone else. It's really one of the big problems most people have today and unless you have some storage space in the cloud it's really just not possible.
I don't even care about file hierarchies and so forth or how many levels deep the file system is. I just want to be able to either send or share a file with a family member without having to burn it to a plastic disk and put it in the post.
With iCloud, everything is locked down to the app and to your own personal devices. Sometimes it would be nice to be able to share your stuff with other people. I realise they are doing it this way at least in part because they don't really *want* you to share your stuff (because people have a habit of sharing illegally etc.), but I find it annoying and a bit insulting that this presumption is being made.
I don't see why if I'm paying for iCloud and have tons of storage space, that I have to pay for more storage through DropBox and manage yet another online account and password, just because they *assume* that I'm going to share some hollywood movie.
In the original leaked plans for iCloud there was going to be something like a FileVault that one could throw files in and have them synced between all your devices but also (crucially) share them with other people.
...that Apple ALREADY has a system that can do a good chunk of the sharing needs for documents with the iWork Public Beta. I wonder if they plan to roll that into iCloud (and why they didn't do so initially)
...that Apple ALREADY has a system that can do a good chunk of the sharing needs for documents with the iWork Public Beta. I wonder if they plan to roll that into iCloud (and why they didn't do so initially)
Doesn't this just amount to Microsoft's usual FUD? As in, see, eventually this product will be everything everybody wants, and will be so much better than everybody else, that they will just go out of business on their own and recommend us to all their current customers. Please wait for us to complete development...and design...and really, we are going to start working on this pretty soon...but whatever you do, don't buy any competing product because ours is going to be SO MUCH BETTER! And we'll give you a pony.
Was that rhetorical? I couldn't tell.
In any case the SkyDrive app will be part of the Windows 8 Consumer Preview, due in about a week (give or take).
SkyDrive has been around (and evolving) for almost 5 years now. The release mentioned in the article will be version 5.
So the answer to your question (if it even was a question) is no, this is not FUD.
Microsoft is Apple's second-oldest enemy. Steve trusted Bill, but Bill stole from Steve. Nobody can forgive that.
Your forgetting part of the history. If it was not for Bill Gates, there would be no apple as we see it today period! Steve Jobs stole from xerox. When apple was on deaths doorsteps Microsoft gave Apple a substantial cash infusion, plus developed office for the mac to attract users to the platform. I am tired of the Microsoft bashing. I like both platforms for different things. Competition is good, and I would like to see both companies do well in our American economy.
Why should I need to send something to a different site to share it? It is already on Apple's servers. My point is, these two products could be rolled into one (and what the heck, how about basic edits for the odd time your iPad's GPU goes out, or the screen freaks out, and you need to edit something at work)
Why should I need to send something to a different site to share it? It is already on Apple's servers. My point is, these two products could be rolled into one
Your forgetting part of the history. If it was not for Bill Gates, there would be no apple as we see it today period! Steve Jobs stole from xerox. When apple was on deaths doorsteps Microsoft gave Apple a substantial cash infusion, plus developed office for the mac to attract users to the platform. I am tired of the Microsoft bashing. I like both platforms for different things. Competition is good, and I would like to see both companies do well in our American economy.
1. Microsoft's first major sale was something called "Applesoft", which paid the bills for several years before IBM came visiting.
2. Apple licensed a variety of GUI-related technology from Xerox, paying for it with $1M in Apple stock.
3. Both Word and Excel were written for the Mac before they were ported to Windows; Apple sponsored their development, and then MS decided to seek greener pastures with its newly acquired Apple IP.
4. What 'saved' Apple in 1998 was probably MS writing a version of IE for the Mac; it allowed Apple time to generate WebKit and then Safari.
5. However, the $150M 'investment' by MS in Apple in 1998 saved Microsoft's ass with the USDoJ. The latter was moving toward an ATT-solution, and the stock sale persuaded the DoJ that MS wasn't quite maintaining a monopoly.
Doesn't this just amount to Microsoft's usual FUD? As in, see, eventually this product will be everything everybody wants, and will be so much better than everybody else, that they will just go out of business on their own and recommend us to all their current customers. Please wait for us to complete development...and design...and really, we are going to start working on this pretty soon...but whatever you do, don't buy any competing product because ours is going to be SO MUCH BETTER! And we'll give you a pony.
All that MS is presenting from their blog is the new SkyDrive for Windows 8 without bashing iCloud or any of the competitors' products. I don't see what's so FUD about it. If anything, you're the one who's creating this so called "FUD."
I've used SkyDrive a few times and found it to be cumbersome, slow and very poor. I switched to Dropbox last year and it's brilliant. Like night and day. If they offered a bit more than 2GB free more people would switch.
1. Sugarsync offers 5GB for free and has beaten DropBox in a number of head to head comparisons - and is much cheaper than DB for big storage.
2. MS is emulating Google in adding constant small upgrades to all their web products - Hotmail in particular is quite useful these days. Windows Live Office Docs look like Office '10 - and preserve features that Google Docs don't. (But there is weirdness there - the "open in Word" feature simple won't work for me - and managing files created there on SkyDrive is still clunky. But uploading files has gotten easier, e.g., and there are other improvements creeping in.
The craziest feature persists: You have to name a document on Skydrive before you can create it on Word, Powerpoint or Excel Live. I can't think of anywhere else I've encountered this on any computer system - and forget "Save as" for later.
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no thanks. No crap Microsoft software on my mac...sorry. Skydrive is a garbage Dropbox clone.
Not a clone at all - it has a very different set of tricks - which will expand a lot on Win 8.
PS: Even if you don't run Office (and therefore have unnecessary difficulty sharing editable docs with most of the world), you may already have hidden bits of MS "stuff" on your Apple devices. Apple and MS both have reasons for wanting Apple things to work on MS hosted nets and services, even if Apple's are offensive and MS's are defensive. Get used to it.
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Originally Posted by Smallwheels
I tried Skydrive last year. It stinks. It wouldn't work very well. The navigation was nearly impossible to work with when trying to find files. Eventually when it was too difficult to use I deleted everything on it. The problem was that it took a long time to find the right links and tabs to get to the delete files button. I hated Microsoft before trying Skydrive. I now hate Microsoft even more.
Today I needed to use Vista for work. I booted it on the HP computer instead of Ubuntu. The damn OS didn't recognize the modem for some reason. I switched to Ubuntu to check the modem and it was fine. I rebooted into Vista and the modem was working again. I didn't change anything to cause it to stop working or start working again. I HATE MICROSOFT AND VISTA!!!!!!!!!
My momma taught me to never try and have a reasonable discussion with people who post statements containing the word "hate" in 48 or so point type. So I won't even try.
Your forgetting part of the history. If it was not for Bill Gates, there would be no apple as we see it today period! Steve Jobs stole from xerox. When apple was on deaths doorsteps Microsoft gave Apple a substantial cash infusion, plus developed office for the mac to attract users to the platform. I am tired of the Microsoft bashing. I like both platforms for different things. Competition is good, and I would like to see both companies do well in our American economy.
Ah, this fantasy again. No, Microsoft did not save Apple. Microsoft made a small investment in Apple, that is all. Steve Jobs did not steal from xerox. Apple paid Xerox for use of the technology.
Microsoft deserves to be bashed. They copy everything Apple does, their OS and Office suite are outrageously over priced, they have an illegally obtained monopoly on OS and Office Productivity software, they use their monopoly to push their crappy services like Bing, Hotmail, IE, Skydrive, etc...
I hope Microsoft fails and goes bankrupt. that would be best for our economy as their would be actual fair competition
[QUOTE=AppleInsider;2051428]Microsoft is readying a significant update to SkyDrive in Windows 8, and reportedly leaked screenshots of the revamped file syncing and cloud storage service show that a Mac OS X client could be poised to compete with Apple's iCloud.
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I think competition is good, but comparing SkyDrive to iCloud is sensationalist journalism at it's best, and making this comparison shows quite a bit of ignorance as to what the technology does and what it is for.
You need to read the latest info.
It looks like the next SkyDrive release does most of the stuff you mention for Windows devices.
I suppose it's like a cross between iCloud and DropBox with a few extra bits thrown in.
Kind of not the point though. This kind of fascist censorship completely eliminates SkyDrive from consideration for many people if the account is true. They have no right to look at your files. In Europe they could be taken to court over such behaviour.
When multiple users upload the same file on cloud storage services like Live Mesh and Dropbox only copy of the file exists, and each user is given a link to the file.
When a DMCA notice is received for a file shared by a user, the common practise is to remove that users link, but leave the actual file (and other users' links to that same file) intact.
Now here comes the crazy part!
As a part of the case against Megaupload it is alleged they didn't apply a comprehensive take-down method when notified of a copyright infringement via a DMCA take-down notice.
Essentially the DOJ is saying to comply with a DMCA take-down notice a cloud storage service provider must delete the actual file and therefore break all user links to file.
Megaupload (and I assume other cloud storage services) applied this method to child pornography. e.g. once a child pornography image was reported its file hash was saved in a black list, if anyone else tried to upload the same file it was rejected.
I'm not sure if Microsoft (or others) are applying the same method to copyrighted files, but depending on the DOJ against Megaupload at some point soon all cloud storage service providers may be compelled to implement it.
For example, iCloud gives me access to my media files for free without uploading them: all 1.5 TB of them.
Uh, not really.
You get 5GB free but that does not include any media.
I highly doubt you have purchased 1.5 GB of music and TV shows from iTunes.
You cannot redownload movies.
If you have iTunes Match (not free) you can upload (only song) songs not in iTunes but you are limited to 25,000 and they will be converted to 256 kbps..
I didn't know about the API stuff (which is interesting), but it doesn't help me at all really.
I like to keep things simple so I like to get all my online services form one place which has always been Apple. I don't even have a DropBox account because I find the idea of keeping stuff in two places somewhere between annoying and stressful (or perhaps both).
Despite the fact that the speed was always atrocious and the reliability poor, I miss the iDisk feature where one can share a large file with someone else. It's really one of the big problems most people have today and unless you have some storage space in the cloud it's really just not possible.
I don't even care about file hierarchies and so forth or how many levels deep the file system is. I just want to be able to either send or share a file with a family member without having to burn it to a plastic disk and put it in the post.
With iCloud, everything is locked down to the app and to your own personal devices. Sometimes it would be nice to be able to share your stuff with other people. I realise they are doing it this way at least in part because they don't really *want* you to share your stuff (because people have a habit of sharing illegally etc.), but I find it annoying and a bit insulting that this presumption is being made.
I don't see why if I'm paying for iCloud and have tons of storage space, that I have to pay for more storage through DropBox and manage yet another online account and password, just because they *assume* that I'm going to share some hollywood movie.
In the original leaked plans for iCloud there was going to be something like a FileVault that one could throw files in and have them synced between all your devices but also (crucially) share them with other people.
...that Apple ALREADY has a system that can do a good chunk of the sharing needs for documents with the iWork Public Beta. I wonder if they plan to roll that into iCloud (and why they didn't do so initially)
Why is iTunes prohibited?
Because many, many corporations and workplaces prohibit certain software on their network.
...that Apple ALREADY has a system that can do a good chunk of the sharing needs for documents with the iWork Public Beta. I wonder if they plan to roll that into iCloud (and why they didn't do so initially)
It is already in iCloud but only for iOS devices.
Doesn't this just amount to Microsoft's usual FUD? As in, see, eventually this product will be everything everybody wants, and will be so much better than everybody else, that they will just go out of business on their own and recommend us to all their current customers. Please wait for us to complete development...and design...and really, we are going to start working on this pretty soon...but whatever you do, don't buy any competing product because ours is going to be SO MUCH BETTER! And we'll give you a pony.
Was that rhetorical? I couldn't tell.
In any case the SkyDrive app will be part of the Windows 8 Consumer Preview, due in about a week (give or take).
SkyDrive has been around (and evolving) for almost 5 years now. The release mentioned in the article will be version 5.
So the answer to your question (if it even was a question) is no, this is not FUD.
Microsoft is Apple's second-oldest enemy. Steve trusted Bill, but Bill stole from Steve. Nobody can forgive that.
Your forgetting part of the history. If it was not for Bill Gates, there would be no apple as we see it today period! Steve Jobs stole from xerox. When apple was on deaths doorsteps Microsoft gave Apple a substantial cash infusion, plus developed office for the mac to attract users to the platform. I am tired of the Microsoft bashing. I like both platforms for different things. Competition is good, and I would like to see both companies do well in our American economy.
It is already in iCloud but only for iOS devices.
Why should I need to send something to a different site to share it? It is already on Apple's servers. My point is, these two products could be rolled into one (and what the heck, how about basic edits for the odd time your iPad's GPU goes out, or the screen freaks out, and you need to edit something at work)
Nothing but good can come of this. iCloud needs competition.
Precisely!
+1
Why should I need to send something to a different site to share it? It is already on Apple's servers. My point is, these two products could be rolled into one
And it will be.
Nothing but good can come of this. iCloud needs competition.
This looks closer to Dropbox, than iCloud.
The mains benefit of iCloud, like MobileMe before it:
- Email
- To-Do
- Calendar
- Bookmarks
- Notes
- EVERYWHERE
- AUTOMATICALLY
And iCloud also has the added benefits of:- iTunes Match (at additional cost)
- iOS Device Backups
- Photo Stream
- Documents and Data (to share across devices).
- Deep OS integration (iOS and Mac OS X)
Unless SkyDrive can do this, which it can't and never will be able to, it's not even close to competition.SkyDrive and Dropbox are DATA STORAGE, iCloud is way more than JUST data storage.
Your forgetting part of the history. If it was not for Bill Gates, there would be no apple as we see it today period! Steve Jobs stole from xerox. When apple was on deaths doorsteps Microsoft gave Apple a substantial cash infusion, plus developed office for the mac to attract users to the platform. I am tired of the Microsoft bashing. I like both platforms for different things. Competition is good, and I would like to see both companies do well in our American economy.
1. Microsoft's first major sale was something called "Applesoft", which paid the bills for several years before IBM came visiting.
2. Apple licensed a variety of GUI-related technology from Xerox, paying for it with $1M in Apple stock.
3. Both Word and Excel were written for the Mac before they were ported to Windows; Apple sponsored their development, and then MS decided to seek greener pastures with its newly acquired Apple IP.
4. What 'saved' Apple in 1998 was probably MS writing a version of IE for the Mac; it allowed Apple time to generate WebKit and then Safari.
5. However, the $150M 'investment' by MS in Apple in 1998 saved Microsoft's ass with the USDoJ. The latter was moving toward an ATT-solution, and the stock sale persuaded the DoJ that MS wasn't quite maintaining a monopoly.
Cheers
Doesn't this just amount to Microsoft's usual FUD? As in, see, eventually this product will be everything everybody wants, and will be so much better than everybody else, that they will just go out of business on their own and recommend us to all their current customers. Please wait for us to complete development...and design...and really, we are going to start working on this pretty soon...but whatever you do, don't buy any competing product because ours is going to be SO MUCH BETTER! And we'll give you a pony.
All that MS is presenting from their blog is the new SkyDrive for Windows 8 without bashing iCloud or any of the competitors' products. I don't see what's so FUD about it. If anything, you're the one who's creating this so called "FUD."
Still using iDisk to upload any document of my choice and still using it to host my website.
Oh, please bring back My Gallery (from MobileMe), or at least let me view my Photo Stream whilst logged into iCloud...
I've used SkyDrive a few times and found it to be cumbersome, slow and very poor. I switched to Dropbox last year and it's brilliant. Like night and day. If they offered a bit more than 2GB free more people would switch.
1. Sugarsync offers 5GB for free and has beaten DropBox in a number of head to head comparisons - and is much cheaper than DB for big storage.
2. MS is emulating Google in adding constant small upgrades to all their web products - Hotmail in particular is quite useful these days. Windows Live Office Docs look like Office '10 - and preserve features that Google Docs don't. (But there is weirdness there - the "open in Word" feature simple won't work for me - and managing files created there on SkyDrive is still clunky. But uploading files has gotten easier, e.g., and there are other improvements creeping in.
The craziest feature persists: You have to name a document on Skydrive before you can create it on Word, Powerpoint or Excel Live. I can't think of anywhere else I've encountered this on any computer system - and forget "Save as" for later.
no thanks. No crap Microsoft software on my mac...sorry. Skydrive is a garbage Dropbox clone.
Not a clone at all - it has a very different set of tricks - which will expand a lot on Win 8.
PS: Even if you don't run Office (and therefore have unnecessary difficulty sharing editable docs with most of the world), you may already have hidden bits of MS "stuff" on your Apple devices. Apple and MS both have reasons for wanting Apple things to work on MS hosted nets and services, even if Apple's are offensive and MS's are defensive. Get used to it.
I tried Skydrive last year. It stinks. It wouldn't work very well. The navigation was nearly impossible to work with when trying to find files. Eventually when it was too difficult to use I deleted everything on it. The problem was that it took a long time to find the right links and tabs to get to the delete files button. I hated Microsoft before trying Skydrive. I now hate Microsoft even more.
Today I needed to use Vista for work. I booted it on the HP computer instead of Ubuntu. The damn OS didn't recognize the modem for some reason. I switched to Ubuntu to check the modem and it was fine. I rebooted into Vista and the modem was working again. I didn't change anything to cause it to stop working or start working again. I HATE MICROSOFT AND VISTA!!!!!!!!!
My momma taught me to never try and have a reasonable discussion with people who post statements containing the word "hate" in 48 or so point type. So I won't even try.
Just bring back iDisk and integrate it with iCloud.
Still using iDisk to upload any document of my choice and still using it to host my website.
Oh, please bring back My Gallery (from MobileMe), or at least let me view my Photo Stream whilst logged into iCloud...
I agree entirely.
I ask that everyone who misses these features make a feature request at http://www.apple.com/feedback/icloud.html
Your forgetting part of the history. If it was not for Bill Gates, there would be no apple as we see it today period! Steve Jobs stole from xerox. When apple was on deaths doorsteps Microsoft gave Apple a substantial cash infusion, plus developed office for the mac to attract users to the platform. I am tired of the Microsoft bashing. I like both platforms for different things. Competition is good, and I would like to see both companies do well in our American economy.
Ah, this fantasy again. No, Microsoft did not save Apple. Microsoft made a small investment in Apple, that is all. Steve Jobs did not steal from xerox. Apple paid Xerox for use of the technology.
Microsoft deserves to be bashed. They copy everything Apple does, their OS and Office suite are outrageously over priced, they have an illegally obtained monopoly on OS and Office Productivity software, they use their monopoly to push their crappy services like Bing, Hotmail, IE, Skydrive, etc...
I hope Microsoft fails and goes bankrupt. that would be best for our economy as their would be actual fair competition
What???