Google threatening Android app makers who use alternative payment services

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  • Reply 21 of 46
    tnttnt Posts: 21member
    What's gonna happen when Motorola acquisition is completed? Will there be a Googorola App Store? Seems like Google is preparing their ecosystem to squash competitors... Android competitors.
  • Reply 22 of 46
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    Originally Posted by SolipsismX View Post


    I'm all for this. Their store, their rules.



    Damn. You are always so sensible. So reasonable. Kind of in touch.



    Do you belong on these kinds of forums?



    And I agree with you on the matter at hand.
  • Reply 23 of 46
    nairbnairb Posts: 253member
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    Originally Posted by igorleandro View Post


    HAHAHA



    Open market



    HAHAHA



    Open OS



    HAHAHA



    Open Business model...



    HAHAHA



    Open BS...



    Every step they make looks towards the Apple model...





    Difference is that there are many markets Android owners can but from. Some devices come preinstalled with links to non Google app stores.
  • Reply 24 of 46
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    Originally Posted by openminded View Post


    You think it would be the first time a company has put out reports in favor of certain companies? Companies and the employees that work within them make millions off of scams like that. paying people off to spew bulls**t.



    Quote:
    Originally Posted by WillyGies View Post


    A new report CLAIMS. Let's not try and pawn this off as the truth AI







    It is the same everywhere I see and go. Very few news websites even newspapers nowadays still have their credibility intact. The function of sites like this is to push forward whatever there is out there so you could make your own further research regardless. It would be the same albeit in the other direction if you visit the opposing sites.
  • Reply 25 of 46
    jmmxjmmx Posts: 341member
    So then the average sales price per app = $0.2286

    X 0.70 = $0.16 to developers X 25 B = $4 B.



    This is over a huge number so we can use it a a good rule of thumb. Of course, when they say over $4 B, we do not know how much over so we could round to 0.23 or even 25¢ as average charge per app.
  • Reply 26 of 46
    mikeb85mikeb85 Posts: 506member
    Funny thing is, Apple already does exactly this.



    On Android there is ALWAYS the option to install apps from outside Google's Market - on standard, non-rooted devices. You can install Amazon Market if you want, or download a .apk directly from a website.



    What some developers were doing was offering a 'free' app that had unlockable 'features' that you'd pay for through PayPal or something, so they wouldn't have to give Google their cut, even though it was advertised on Google's Market. Google is simply enforcing rules on their market. You can still download Android Apps from sources other than Google's Market.
  • Reply 27 of 46
    d-ranged-range Posts: 396member
    Right now, all I can think of that is left of the Android 'free and open' model is that you can lobotimize your device by installing unverified APK's (like you can on an jailbroken iOS device), or flash a custom ROM (which you usually only do because the carrier screwed up the stock ROM with bloatware, crapware and adware).



    For anything else, you'll have to use what Google wants you to use, otherwise your device can not actually be called 'Android', it will not have any of the Google Apps, no access to the Google market, and will not be supported by any of the services Google is rolling out like Google Music or Google Wallet. Effectively it is almost as closed as iOS or WP7, and the minor details that are left over (you can look at the sourcecode but not contribute to it, you can start your own Android market, and... yes what exactly?) are completely irrelevant to 99% of all end-users.
  • Reply 28 of 46
    solipsismxsolipsismx Posts: 19,566member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by d-range View Post


    Right now, all I can think of that is left of the Android 'free and open' model is that you can lobotimize your device by installing unverified APK's (like you can on an jailbroken iOS device), or flash a custom ROM (which you usually only do because the carrier screwed up the stock ROM with bloatware, crapware and adware).



    For anything else, you'll have to use what Google wants you to use, otherwise your device can not actually be called 'Android', it will not have any of the Google Apps, no access to the Google market, and will not be supported by any of the services Google is rolling out like Google Music or Google Wallet. Effectively it is almost as closed as iOS or WP7, and the minor details that are left over (you can look at the sourcecode but not contribute to it, you can start your own Android market, and... yes what exactly?) are completely irrelevant to 99% of all end-users.



    Aren't many vendors and carriers locking down the ROM's, too? I'd say the only way Android OS is open is when it comes to what the vendors or carriers can do to the device before it gets in your hand... but if that's the definition of open then iOS is also open.
  • Reply 29 of 46
    d-ranged-range Posts: 396member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Nairb View Post


    Difference is that there are many markets Android owners can but from. Some devices come preinstalled with links to non Google app stores.



    While this is true, I fail to see how this should be considered an end-user 'advantage' of the supposedly 'free and open' nature of Android.



    To me, it seems a hell of a lot more user-friendly and convenient to have everything in one place, to have a single, safe payment system, to get all updates from the same place and not having to deal with untrusted APK's or application and app store incompatibilities.
  • Reply 30 of 46
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by SolipsismX View Post


    Aren't many vendors and carriers locking down the ROM's, too? I'd say the only way Android OS is open is when it comes to what the vendors or carriers can do to the device before it gets in your hand... but if that's the definition of open then iOS is also open.



    From what I can tell most OEMs provide easy tools for unlocking a bootloader and others.don't lock them due.to negative consumer feedback



    Also considering Google just.rereleased chrome beta for android to be again compatible with custom roms I'd say that's a good sign they will continue to support developers. The constant contact between CM team devs and Android engineers is also a good sign.



    And d-range... stop with the bs
  • Reply 31 of 46
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by d-range View Post


    While this is true, I fail to see how this should be considered an end-user 'advantage' of the supposedly 'free and open' nature of Android.



    To me, it seems a hell of a lot more user-friendly and convenient to have everything in one place, to have a single, safe payment system, to get all updates from the same place and not having to deal with untrusted APK's or application and app store incompatibilities.



    Which is why the stock android market (play store -_-) exists...if you optionally choose a third party store you abide by that stores rules.
  • Reply 32 of 46
    jragostajragosta Posts: 10,473member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by SolipsismX View Post


    I'm all for this. Their store, their rules.



    I agree.



    However, I wish people would stop falling for the "we're open and Apple isn't" BS. There really aren't all that many differences in the business model (which isn't surprising because Google uses Cupertino as its R&D department). The main differences are that the Google store is full of malware and that Google goes out of its way to sell your private information.
  • Reply 33 of 46
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    Originally Posted by jragosta View Post


    I agree.



    However, I wish people would stop falling for the "we're open and Apple isn't" BS. There really aren't all that many differences in the business model (which isn't surprising because Google uses Cupertino as its R&D department). The main differences are that the Google store is full of malware and that Google goes out of its way to sell your private information.



    Question to the mods, if it can be proven that a member is a liar, and I call him a low down dirty liar because he constantly repeats his lies and is proven wrong time and time again yet keeps coming back with the same bullshit can I call him a low down dirty liar and not get a point?



    I want to know before I call jragosta a low down dirty liar because I do not wish to be banned again.
  • Reply 34 of 46
    gatorguygatorguy Posts: 24,213member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Splash-reverse View Post






    It is the same everywhere I see and go. Very few news websites even newspapers nowadays still have their credibility intact. The function of sites like this is to push forward whatever there is out there so you could make your own further research regardless.



    I personally think very few readers do much in the way of "further research". I've seen inaccurate or outright false claims repeated over and over as fact when the truth really is out there if they wanted to take the time to look for themselves. AI stories are no different, with some members/visitors misreading rumor as fact and repeating it elsewhere. Remember: News and rumors since 1997. You have take the responsibility of paying attention when reading to note which is which.
  • Reply 35 of 46
    anonymouseanonymouse Posts: 6,860member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by AbsoluteDesignz View Post


    Question to the mods, if it can be proven that a member is a liar, and I call him a low down dirty liar because he constantly repeats his lies and is proven wrong time and time again yet keeps coming back with the same bullshit can I call him a low down dirty liar and not get a point?



    I want to know before I call jragosta a low down dirty liar because I do not wish to be banned again.



    It seems to be OK if pointing out the lie is the truth, but you'll probably need to expose the lie for that to be effective. I think you'll have trouble with that in this case, since his comments seem to be pretty much spot on, so you'd probably deserve a point. On the other hand, no one will miss you if you're banned, again... so, laissez les bons temps rouler!
  • Reply 36 of 46
    gatorguygatorguy Posts: 24,213member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by AbsoluteDesignz View Post


    Question to the mods, if it can be proven that a member is a liar, and I call him a low down dirty liar because he constantly repeats his lies and is proven wrong time and time again yet keeps coming back with the same bullshit can I call him a low down dirty liar and not get a point?



    I want to know before I call jragosta a low down dirty liar because I do not wish to be banned again.



    You take him too seriously. I'm fairly certain he already knows that Google doesn't sell any personal information, and quite the contrary their privacy policies prohibit it with an independent auditor verifying they do what they say they do. Nor does he really believe that Google Play/Android Market is full of malware anymore than the AppStore is full of dishonest developers harvesting personal information. It's more a bit of grandstanding and use of literary license. No biggie and certainly not worthy of a personal insult. I'd leave it alone.
  • Reply 37 of 46
    d-ranged-range Posts: 396member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by AbsoluteDesignz View Post


    From what I can tell most OEMs provide easy tools for unlocking a bootloader and others.don't lock them due.to negative consumer feedback



    Also considering Google just.rereleased chrome beta for android to be again compatible with custom roms I'd say that's a good sign they will continue to support developers. The constant contact between CM team devs and Android engineers is also a good sign.



    And d-range... stop with the bs



    I would appreciate it if you address me in a reply to something I actually posted myself, instead sneaking it into a reply to something someone else posted. This comes off a little under-handed.



    Apart from that, thanks for the insightful commentary. Do you have anything to add to that, something from which I can deduce which parts of what I wrote I should stop writing, or do you want to keep it at just 'stop with the bs'?
  • Reply 38 of 46
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Gatorguy View Post


    You take him too seriously. I'm fairly certain he already knows that Google doesn't sell any personal information, and quite the contrary their privacy policies prohibit it with an independent auditor verifying they do what they say they do. Nor does he really believe that Google Play/Android Market is full of malware anymore than the AppStore is full of dishonest developers harvesting personal information. It's more a bit of grandstanding and use of literary license. No biggie and certainly not worthy of a personal insult. I'd leave it alone.



    understood, I'll refrain from calling him a low-down dirty liar.
  • Reply 39 of 46
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by d-range View Post


    I would appreciate it if you address me in a reply to something I actually posted myself, instead sneaking it into a reply to something someone else posted. This comes off a little under-handed.



    Apart from that, thanks for the insightful commentary. Do you have anything to add to that, something from which I can deduce which parts of what I wrote I should stop writing, or do you want to keep it at just 'stop with the bs'?



    eh, I guess it would've been fair for me to ask what you mean by "app store incompatibilities" before I assumed your comment to be bullshit...you get a lot of half-truths and lies in regards to Apple competition on this forum.





    So with that said, what do you mean by "App store incompatibilities?"







    And yea...installing an untrusted app is a risky move which is why no one recommends anyone go online and look for untrusted apks...
  • Reply 40 of 46
    gatorguygatorguy Posts: 24,213member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by AbsoluteDesignz View Post


    And yea...installing an untrusted app is a risky move which is why no one recommends anyone go online and look for untrusted apks...



    ...and by default the Android OS prevents that. A user has to make a conscious choice to change the tick-box setting to accept installs from unapproved sources AFAIK.
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