I don't have sales numbers, but yeah, I bet the midpoint in prices for laptop sales in the USA is below $500. And by the way, Apple's laptops don't sell well. They have less than 10% of the market. They are hugely profitable, but don't confuse that with popularity. They are broadly DESIRED but rarely, in the big picture, purchased.
Average non Apple laptop as of January cost $456. So yeah, most laptops cost well under $499.
Bullshit. They're all the best-selling laptops in their price range. The Macbook Air is the best selling ultraportable out there. So yes, they 'sell well'. Just because Apple doesn't target anything under $999, so has basically given that market away, that doesn't take away from the sales of their current machines. Rarely purchased? I know this is anecdotal, but I see Macbooks all the time in every kind of setting, and they're selling better and better each quarter. Sure they're no iPads/iPhones in terms of popularity, but then again nothing is. So tell me, how much profit is being made on these dirt cheap laptops you're referring to? Are they made by the same companies who want to leave the PC industry? I've never seen a sub-$500 laptop that wasn't a piece of shit, nor does one exist.
It's a take off of the actual famous quote - the problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other peoples' money to spend. The argument I have with it is not that finance need not be regulated, but anyone using that quote is clearly trying to suggest that finance is as fundamentally flawed as socialism is, which is the ridiculous part.
And yeah, who quotes THEMSELVES in their signature? Sociopaths?
I think boiling down any of the isms and considering them fundamentally right or or wrong is a poor way to look at it. We don't run the police as a private company. Or the military. Do you think we should go to a private police force and military? The police I hire might not agree with the police force my neighbor hired.
"And yeah, who quotes THEMSELVES in their signature? Sociopaths?"-cameronj
Not unless they changed the definition of sociopath recently.
Than most laptops? A netbook doesn't qualify as a useful laptop despite the form factor.
I would call it a subcategory of the notebook category but even excluding it there are plenty of sub-$500 notebooks in the US and they are likely cheaper in many other countries. But then you need to consider the iPad's ARP being in the $6xx range and that the iPad goes as high as $829. That last value is important because the ARP for non-Mac PCs are apparently in the $7xx range.
Scenario1: I no long need my Bently Continental GT because I decided I want a Frisker Karma. I give it to you as a Christmas gift. Am I cheap?
Scenario2: I decided to give you 1000 shares of Apple stock because I feel I'll not need it. Am I cheap?
The car would be an insult if the person could not even afford a full tank of gas as the totally broke younger brother scenario however the shares are always new, not used and discarded, so that would be a nice gift as long as it was appropriate for the relationship and the circumstance.
I thought it was sound idea. It's basically WebOS but with a desktop UI. The browser interface is the most used and familiar app on PCs.
Looking at GoogleTV it seems like they might be moving to use Android as the core OS for everything which still means they can still use the Chrome OS UI concept.
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Originally Posted by cameronj
I don't have sales numbers, but yeah, I bet the midpoint in prices for laptop sales in the USA is below $500. And by the way, Apple's laptops don't sell well. They have less than 10% of the market. They are hugely profitable, but don't confuse that with popularity. They are broadly DESIRED but rarely, in the big picture, purchased.
Average non Apple laptop as of January cost $456. So yeah, most laptops cost well under $499.
I am very happy with my $350 Acer 522 netbook with the AMD APU. Yes it isn't very popular but I like it. I had to upgrade the ram FROM 1 GIG TO 4 GIG and was lucky to be able to get a free copy of Win 7 Pro as Win 7 starter is pathetic. I also put in a spare 750gig hard drive I had lying around which was fortunate, as I have 400 gigs of music. I enjoy blurays on the device when required and i also hook up my Roland Quad Capture. Having said that I will be getting an ipad3 because I can read it outside which I can't do on my netbook. Also the ipad3 is a bit more casual and fun!
The car would be an insult if the person could not even afford a full tank of gas as the totally broke younger brother scenario however the shares are always new, not used and discarded, so that would be a nice gift as long as it was appropriate for the relationship and the circumstance.
Then lets say I include a suitcase full of money, an unlimited use gas card and insurance paid for life. Happy?!
Bullshit. They're all the best-selling laptops in their price range. The Macbook Air is the best selling ultraportable out there. So yes, they 'sell well'. Just because Apple doesn't target anything under $999, so has basically given that market away, that doesn't take away from the sales of their current machines. Rarely purchased? I know this is anecdotal, but I see Macbooks all the time in every kind of setting, and they're selling better and better each quarter. Sure they're no iPads/iPhones in terms of popularity, but then again nothing is. So tell me, how much profit is being made on these dirt cheap laptops you're referring to? Are they made by the same companies who want to leave the PC industry? I've never seen a sub-$500 laptop that wasn't a piece of shit, nor does one exist.
Sorry you're in the wrong argument. We were talking about the claim that the average laptop costs less than the cheapest "new" iPad. Which is true. I don't know who you were replying to but none of the things you said had anything to do with the debate at hand.
Those other guys also decided to go in another direction by trying to cut Apple off at the pass with a 7" device. They could claim it's more portable and likely cut down on costs. That didn't work which makes me wonder how Amazon will me a 10" Fire, assuming the rumours are true. If we assume a $100 price increase, which includes 16GB storage instead of 8GB, and adding better HW can they still compete with the $399 iPad 2? I'm not so sure. If they don't add the additional HW features I don't think they have much of a chance at all. I think the market segment Apple doesn't play is the only reason they have any substantial sales. The multi-media eReaders are the netbooks of tablets.
You see the one fact that NOBODY in this forum wants to admit is that some people just don't like Apple. Yep I said it. Some folks out there just don't like Apple. They think people like you and me are arrogant blah blah (it's late). They think we pay way over the odds just for the Apple badge. No matter how good the iPad is some folks will buy something else. My own brother would never buy an Apple product. He uses a PC. Doesn't see why anyone would pay £1500 for a laptop. He'd happily buy a Samsung Tablet over an iPad. That's why the other tablets will sell once they get their act together. If you read the reviews the iPhone is the best smartphone on the market but it doesn't stop lots of people buying the Galaxy S instead even though it's no cheaper.
Can anyone tell me what has happened to the <LOL> Chromebook?
Hey, I have one, I don't think there is anything to lol about. Their actually pretty neat machines, I have the Samsung variant and it's my understanding Samsung is introducing a new model next month. They weren't very successful in the consumer market but Google is making a little headway selling them to schools and company's. The idea behind them is pretty sound but I think it will be a while till the industry goes in this direction. Mark my words though in the near future when wireless technology becomes faster I have no doubt that every computer will be just dumb terminals connected to the internet.
Google is pretty close already, I can do pretty much everything online with my Chromebook that I can do with an offline notebook. Microsoft's 360 software is pretty fantastic for your office needs, online programs like Cloud 9 IDE are amazing for software development. In fact except for high end gaming I can't think of one application that can't be replaced with a web app and that includes Photoshop. You can check out ChromeOS without the need of a Chromebook by putting it on a usb stick and live booting it on a PC. I always carry around a copy of it on my key chain, since Chrome is my main browser that i use all I have to do is boot into ChromeOS and I'm back where I left it, including having all of my online apps at the ready.
If your interested go here to get the usb img -> chromeos.hexxeh.net
Im sure that all you fandroids think apple is doomed, doomed i say doomed!!!!
Nobody thinks apple is doomed. But lots of fruits think other people are delusional, simply because they choose to buy a gadget different from what you prefer.
The entire fruit culture is quite bizarre. And quite entertaining.
You see the one fact that NOBODY in this forum wants to admit is that some people just don't like Apple. Yep I said it. Some folks out there just don't like Apple. They think people like you and me are arrogant blah blah (it's late). They think we pay way over the odds just for the Apple badge. No matter how good the iPad is some folks will buy something else. My own brother would never buy an Apple product. He uses a PC. Doesn't see why anyone would pay £1500 for a laptop. He'd happily buy a Samsung Tablet over an iPad. That's why the other tablets will sell once they get their act together. If you read the reviews the iPhone is the best smartphone on the market but it doesn't stop lots of people buying the Galaxy S instead even though it's no cheaper.
But "best", even if prices were the same across the board doesn't mean any one product will fit every need. There are legitimate reasons why someone would want an Android-based device, but these ae typically niche or fringe cases that don't add up to an overwhelming large segment of the market.
But wait, Apple only has a small segment of the PC market. Sure, when you include every machine, but if you look at increasing more expensive machines where quality increasingly becomes a factor Macs rise sharply. If you only look at notebooks which are by nature very limited to manipulation of the HW by users Macs rise sharply.
As for those who hate Apple, that's fine, that segment will always be there and it's great there is other options for them but these people don't negatively after Apple's bottom line.
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Originally Posted by mstone
Personally I would not accept it. The only person who would appreciate such a gift would be a gold digging bimbo girlfriend.
Sorry you're in the wrong argument. We were talking about the claim that the average laptop costs less than the cheapest "new" iPad. Which is true. I don't know who you were replying to but none of the things you said had anything to do with the debate at hand.
Please look at my previous quote in regards to the Acer 522. i am sure you couldnt do the stuff I do with the crapbook er cromebook. The cromebook is a disgrace!
Sorry you're in the wrong argument. We were talking about the claim that the average laptop costs less than the cheapest "new" iPad. Which is true. I don't know who you were replying to but none of the things you said had anything to do with the debate at hand.
This is a Mac site though. Who the hell buys a laptop that costs less than $500? I feel sorry for such people. I'm glad to say that I do not know a single person who owns such a laptop. I don't hang out with bums.
It's like being on a Rolls Royce forum and along comes these people who say that they are happy with their Lada. Well, good for them. Different people obviously have different standards.
I don't have sales numbers, but yeah, I bet the midpoint in prices for laptop sales in the USA is below $500. And by the way, Apple's laptops don't sell well. They have less than 10% of the market. They are hugely profitable, but don't confuse that with popularity. They are broadly DESIRED but rarely, in the big picture, purchased.
Average non Apple laptop as of January cost $456. So yeah, most laptops cost well under $499.
Correct... Apple chose to only be in the $1000+ laptop market... where the dominate in that particular market of $1000+ laptops. And that's where Apple wants to be.
Huge players like HP and Dell are down in the $500 laptop market... and recently they both had second thoughts about even being in that market because the margins are so shittty.
It seems there's more money to be made in the enterprise than selling cheap consumer laptops...
There are legitimate reasons why someone would want an Android-based device, but these ae typically niche or fringe cases that don't add up to an overwhelming large segment of the market.
850,000 Android activations a day is a niche market??????
This is a Mac site though. Who the hell buys a laptop that costs less than $500? I feel sorry for such people. I'm glad to say that I do not know a single person who owns such a laptop. I don't hang out with bums.
Over half the market in the world's richest economy does.
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What's your definition of cheap? The iPad is more expensive than most laptops.
Than most laptops? A netbook doesn't qualify as a useful laptop despite the form factor.
I don't have sales numbers, but yeah, I bet the midpoint in prices for laptop sales in the USA is below $500. And by the way, Apple's laptops don't sell well. They have less than 10% of the market. They are hugely profitable, but don't confuse that with popularity. They are broadly DESIRED but rarely, in the big picture, purchased.
Edit: http://blog.laptopmag.com/average-wi...t-in-24-months
Average non Apple laptop as of January cost $456. So yeah, most laptops cost well under $499.
Bullshit. They're all the best-selling laptops in their price range. The Macbook Air is the best selling ultraportable out there. So yes, they 'sell well'. Just because Apple doesn't target anything under $999, so has basically given that market away, that doesn't take away from the sales of their current machines. Rarely purchased? I know this is anecdotal, but I see Macbooks all the time in every kind of setting, and they're selling better and better each quarter. Sure they're no iPads/iPhones in terms of popularity, but then again nothing is. So tell me, how much profit is being made on these dirt cheap laptops you're referring to? Are they made by the same companies who want to leave the PC industry? I've never seen a sub-$500 laptop that wasn't a piece of shit, nor does one exist.
It's a take off of the actual famous quote - the problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other peoples' money to spend. The argument I have with it is not that finance need not be regulated, but anyone using that quote is clearly trying to suggest that finance is as fundamentally flawed as socialism is, which is the ridiculous part.
And yeah, who quotes THEMSELVES in their signature? Sociopaths?
I think boiling down any of the isms and considering them fundamentally right or or wrong is a poor way to look at it. We don't run the police as a private company. Or the military. Do you think we should go to a private police force and military? The police I hire might not agree with the police force my neighbor hired.
"And yeah, who quotes THEMSELVES in their signature? Sociopaths?"-cameronj
Not unless they changed the definition of sociopath recently.
Than most laptops? A netbook doesn't qualify as a useful laptop despite the form factor.
I would call it a subcategory of the notebook category but even excluding it there are plenty of sub-$500 notebooks in the US and they are likely cheaper in many other countries. But then you need to consider the iPad's ARP being in the $6xx range and that the iPad goes as high as $829. That last value is important because the ARP for non-Mac PCs are apparently in the $7xx range.
Scenario1: I no long need my Bently Continental GT because I decided I want a Frisker Karma. I give it to you as a Christmas gift. Am I cheap?
Scenario2: I decided to give you 1000 shares of Apple stock because I feel I'll not need it. Am I cheap?
The car would be an insult if the person could not even afford a full tank of gas as the totally broke younger brother scenario however the shares are always new, not used and discarded, so that would be a nice gift as long as it was appropriate for the relationship and the circumstance.
I thought it was sound idea. It's basically WebOS but with a desktop UI. The browser interface is the most used and familiar app on PCs.
Looking at GoogleTV it seems like they might be moving to use Android as the core OS for everything which still means they can still use the Chrome OS UI concept.
I don't have sales numbers, but yeah, I bet the midpoint in prices for laptop sales in the USA is below $500. And by the way, Apple's laptops don't sell well. They have less than 10% of the market. They are hugely profitable, but don't confuse that with popularity. They are broadly DESIRED but rarely, in the big picture, purchased.
Edit: http://blog.laptopmag.com/average-wi...t-in-24-months
Average non Apple laptop as of January cost $456. So yeah, most laptops cost well under $499.
I am very happy with my $350 Acer 522 netbook with the AMD APU. Yes it isn't very popular but I like it. I had to upgrade the ram FROM 1 GIG TO 4 GIG and was lucky to be able to get a free copy of Win 7 Pro as Win 7 starter is pathetic. I also put in a spare 750gig hard drive I had lying around which was fortunate, as I have 400 gigs of music. I enjoy blurays on the device when required and i also hook up my Roland Quad Capture. Having said that I will be getting an ipad3 because I can read it outside which I can't do on my netbook. Also the ipad3 is a bit more casual and fun!
The car would be an insult if the person could not even afford a full tank of gas as the totally broke younger brother scenario however the shares are always new, not used and discarded, so that would be a nice gift as long as it was appropriate for the relationship and the circumstance.
Then lets say I include a suitcase full of money, an unlimited use gas card and insurance paid for life. Happy?!
Bullshit. They're all the best-selling laptops in their price range. The Macbook Air is the best selling ultraportable out there. So yes, they 'sell well'. Just because Apple doesn't target anything under $999, so has basically given that market away, that doesn't take away from the sales of their current machines. Rarely purchased? I know this is anecdotal, but I see Macbooks all the time in every kind of setting, and they're selling better and better each quarter. Sure they're no iPads/iPhones in terms of popularity, but then again nothing is. So tell me, how much profit is being made on these dirt cheap laptops you're referring to? Are they made by the same companies who want to leave the PC industry? I've never seen a sub-$500 laptop that wasn't a piece of shit, nor does one exist.
Sorry you're in the wrong argument. We were talking about the claim that the average laptop costs less than the cheapest "new" iPad. Which is true. I don't know who you were replying to but none of the things you said had anything to do with the debate at hand.
Those other guys also decided to go in another direction by trying to cut Apple off at the pass with a 7" device. They could claim it's more portable and likely cut down on costs. That didn't work which makes me wonder how Amazon will me a 10" Fire, assuming the rumours are true. If we assume a $100 price increase, which includes 16GB storage instead of 8GB, and adding better HW can they still compete with the $399 iPad 2? I'm not so sure. If they don't add the additional HW features I don't think they have much of a chance at all. I think the market segment Apple doesn't play is the only reason they have any substantial sales. The multi-media eReaders are the netbooks of tablets.
You see the one fact that NOBODY in this forum wants to admit is that some people just don't like Apple. Yep I said it. Some folks out there just don't like Apple. They think people like you and me are arrogant blah blah (it's late). They think we pay way over the odds just for the Apple badge. No matter how good the iPad is some folks will buy something else. My own brother would never buy an Apple product. He uses a PC. Doesn't see why anyone would pay £1500 for a laptop. He'd happily buy a Samsung Tablet over an iPad. That's why the other tablets will sell once they get their act together. If you read the reviews the iPhone is the best smartphone on the market but it doesn't stop lots of people buying the Galaxy S instead even though it's no cheaper.
Can anyone tell me what has happened to the <LOL> Chromebook?
Hey, I have one, I don't think there is anything to lol about. Their actually pretty neat machines, I have the Samsung variant and it's my understanding Samsung is introducing a new model next month. They weren't very successful in the consumer market but Google is making a little headway selling them to schools and company's. The idea behind them is pretty sound but I think it will be a while till the industry goes in this direction. Mark my words though in the near future when wireless technology becomes faster I have no doubt that every computer will be just dumb terminals connected to the internet.
Google is pretty close already, I can do pretty much everything online with my Chromebook that I can do with an offline notebook. Microsoft's 360 software is pretty fantastic for your office needs, online programs like Cloud 9 IDE are amazing for software development. In fact except for high end gaming I can't think of one application that can't be replaced with a web app and that includes Photoshop. You can check out ChromeOS without the need of a Chromebook by putting it on a usb stick and live booting it on a PC. I always carry around a copy of it on my key chain, since Chrome is my main browser that i use all I have to do is boot into ChromeOS and I'm back where I left it, including having all of my online apps at the ready.
If your interested go here to get the usb img -> chromeos.hexxeh.net
Then lets say I include a suitcase full of money, an unlimited use gas card and insurance paid for life. Happy?!
Personally I would not accept it. The only person who would appreciate such a gift would be a gold digging bimbo girlfriend.
Im sure that all you fandroids think apple is doomed, doomed i say doomed!!!!
Nobody thinks apple is doomed. But lots of fruits think other people are delusional, simply because they choose to buy a gadget different from what you prefer.
The entire fruit culture is quite bizarre. And quite entertaining.
You see the one fact that NOBODY in this forum wants to admit is that some people just don't like Apple. Yep I said it. Some folks out there just don't like Apple. They think people like you and me are arrogant blah blah (it's late). They think we pay way over the odds just for the Apple badge. No matter how good the iPad is some folks will buy something else. My own brother would never buy an Apple product. He uses a PC. Doesn't see why anyone would pay £1500 for a laptop. He'd happily buy a Samsung Tablet over an iPad. That's why the other tablets will sell once they get their act together. If you read the reviews the iPhone is the best smartphone on the market but it doesn't stop lots of people buying the Galaxy S instead even though it's no cheaper.
But "best", even if prices were the same across the board doesn't mean any one product will fit every need. There are legitimate reasons why someone would want an Android-based device, but these ae typically niche or fringe cases that don't add up to an overwhelming large segment of the market.
But wait, Apple only has a small segment of the PC market. Sure, when you include every machine, but if you look at increasing more expensive machines where quality increasingly becomes a factor Macs rise sharply. If you only look at notebooks which are by nature very limited to manipulation of the HW by users Macs rise sharply.
As for those who hate Apple, that's fine, that segment will always be there and it's great there is other options for them but these people don't negatively after Apple's bottom line.
Personally I would not accept it. The only person who would appreciate such a gift would be a gold digging bimbo girlfriend.
That's one Christmas gift I can cancel.
Sorry you're in the wrong argument. We were talking about the claim that the average laptop costs less than the cheapest "new" iPad. Which is true. I don't know who you were replying to but none of the things you said had anything to do with the debate at hand.
Please look at my previous quote in regards to the Acer 522. i am sure you couldnt do the stuff I do with the crapbook er cromebook. The cromebook is a disgrace!
Sorry you're in the wrong argument. We were talking about the claim that the average laptop costs less than the cheapest "new" iPad. Which is true. I don't know who you were replying to but none of the things you said had anything to do with the debate at hand.
This is a Mac site though. Who the hell buys a laptop that costs less than $500? I feel sorry for such people. I'm glad to say that I do not know a single person who owns such a laptop. I don't hang out with bums.
It's like being on a Rolls Royce forum and along comes these people who say that they are happy with their Lada. Well, good for them.
I don't have sales numbers, but yeah, I bet the midpoint in prices for laptop sales in the USA is below $500. And by the way, Apple's laptops don't sell well. They have less than 10% of the market. They are hugely profitable, but don't confuse that with popularity. They are broadly DESIRED but rarely, in the big picture, purchased.
Edit: http://blog.laptopmag.com/average-wi...t-in-24-months
Average non Apple laptop as of January cost $456. So yeah, most laptops cost well under $499.
Correct... Apple chose to only be in the $1000+ laptop market... where the dominate in that particular market of $1000+ laptops. And that's where Apple wants to be.
Huge players like HP and Dell are down in the $500 laptop market... and recently they both had second thoughts about even being in that market because the margins are so shittty.
It seems there's more money to be made in the enterprise than selling cheap consumer laptops...
There are legitimate reasons why someone would want an Android-based device, but these ae typically niche or fringe cases that don't add up to an overwhelming large segment of the market.
850,000 Android activations a day is a niche market??????
Nobody thinks apple is doomed.
That right there is a 100% false statement. You couldn't be more wrong.
This is a Mac site though. Who the hell buys a laptop that costs less than $500? I feel sorry for such people. I'm glad to say that I do not know a single person who owns such a laptop. I don't hang out with bums.
Over half the market in the world's richest economy does.
That right there is a 100% false statement. You couldn't be more wrong.
Well... Apple IS doomed.
Just no time soon. Or do you think Apple will be around in 150 years? Not gonna happen.