Artist changes Apple, Foxconn monologue after admitting falsehoods [u]

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  • solipsismxsolipsismx Posts: 19,566member
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    i think "Mr. Phatty"(Mike Daisey), should rename his show "The possible Agony and Heartbreak of the late Steve Jobs"...



    "The possible Agony and Heartbreak of the late Steve Jobs*.



    * Any resemblance to real persons, living or dead, is purely coincidental."
  • gqbgqb Posts: 1,934member
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    He must get his inspirations from Michael Moore.



    More accurately from right wing fraud James O'Keefe who took down a great organization with a completely fake video then himself committed voter fraud in another video scam.
  • alr26alr26 Posts: 29member
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    If it really was about the art then he shouldn't be changing his show.



    ABSOLUTELY!! He's a fat turd!!
  • mkunertmkunert Posts: 11member
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    More accurately from right wing fraud James O'Keefe who took down a great organization with a completely fake video then himself committed voter fraud in another video scam.



    What fake video? I've seen lots of stories about his videos being controversial, but fake... no. Can you please link to a legitimate news sources that details the fake video.



    Or are you pulling a Mike Daisey?
  • f1ferrarif1ferrari Posts: 223member
    No offense to any of the members here, but I've always felt that bringing someone's physical features into an argument against someone lessens their point. It's easy to drag Mr Daisey's weight into this, but his 'story' has given us enough ammunition to not even involve his body in our attacks.



    I'd love to see Apple sue him for defamation, but I feel that would only drag them down to his level. Hopefully, the court of public opinion has judged him in a way suiting his actions.
  • greginpraguegreginprague Posts: 409member
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    More accurately from right wing fraud James O'Keefe who took down a great organization with a completely fake video then himself committed voter fraud in another video scam.



    I'm laughing out loud at this. Both because you think that Acorn was a great organization and at least as much because you believe they were completely fake. Neither of those is remotely true.
  • solipsismxsolipsismx Posts: 19,566member
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    No offense to any of the members here, but I've always felt that bringing someone's physical features into an argument against someone lessens their point. It's easy to drag Mr Daisey's weight into this, but his 'story' has given us enough ammunition to not even involve his body in our attacks.



    I'd love to see Apple sue him for defamation, but I feel that would only drag them down to his level. Hopefully, the court of public opinion has judged him in a way suiting his actions.



    I agree. Besides note nothing if his obesity is due to a medical condition beyond his control or from gluttony and sloth any argument one that attacks his physical appearance is less for it.
  • suddenly newtonsuddenly newton Posts: 13,052member
    Why does Daisey suddenly care about the truth? The whole thing is a polemic against Apple anyway, sheesh. Just admit it's anti-Apple entertainment containing fabrications. No need to cut anything out.
  • sacto joesacto joe Posts: 596member
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    Originally Posted by markbyrn

    He must get his inspirations from Michael Moore.



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    could be ... both are two fat bas***ds who can't seem to separate fact, fiction and political leanings.



    Thank you both for identifying yourselves as card-carrying members of the Fourth Reich. Comparing Mr. Moore to that lying slimeball is the epitome of right wing crap talk.



    You've taken a critically important issue for Apple's future and dragged it in the mud for your own crass political purposes. To say I despise you both would put it mildly.



  • ktappektappe Posts: 646member
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    What fake video? I've seen lots of stories about his videos being controversial, but fake... no. Can you please link to a legitimate news sources that details the fake video.



    Sure. Just as soon as all those deriding Michael Moore link to a legitimate news source that he is a liar.
  • sacto joesacto joe Posts: 596member
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    Sure. Just as soon as all those deriding Michael Moore link to a legitimate news source that he is a liar.



    Mike Daisey and Michael Moore are as different as night and day, because Michael Moore is all about seeking out the lies of others while Mike Daisey is all about lying to support his own particular bias. In that regard, Mike Daisey is much more akin to Rush Limbaugh.



    Of course, the political machinizations of the various modern-era brownshirts posting here and elsewhere wouldn't be served by making a correct comparison....
  • markbyrnmarkbyrn Posts: 560member
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    Quote:

    Originally Posted by markbyrn

    He must get his inspirations from Michael Moore.







    Thank you both for identifying yourselves as card-carrying members of the Fourth Reich. Comparing Mr. Moore to that lying slimeball is the epitome of right wing crap talk.



    You've taken a critically important issue for Apple's future and dragged it in the mud for your own crass political purposes. To say I despise you both would put it mildly.







    Sorry pal, I loathe the right wing crap talk as much as I loathe Michael Moore - equally vile and contemptible. If it will make you happy, I'll say that Mike Daisey also gets his inspirations from Rush Limbaugh. Limbuaugh, Moore, and Daisey are theatrical propagandists and any truth gets lost in the bombast.
  • sacto joesacto joe Posts: 596member
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    Sorry pal, I loathe the right wing crap talk as much as I loathe Michael Moore - equally vile and contemptible. If it will make you happy, I'll say that Mike Daisey also gets his inspirations from Rush Limbaugh. Limbuaugh, Moore, and Daisey are theatrical propagandists and any truth gets lost in the bombast.



    What'll make me happy is if you take your political claptrap to any of the multitudinous sites where it would be more appropriate.
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  • boredumbboredumb Posts: 1,118member
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    After admitting on the "This American Life" radio program that he had fabricated some of his experiences for dramatic purposes, artist Mike Daisey has changed his monologue about Apple and its manufacturing partner Foxconn to remove anything he can't "stand behind."

    [ View article on AppleInsider ]



    So, apparently, now he just mimes???



    BTW, there's plenty about the guy's approach to criticise, without basing your rebuttals on his weight. Commenting on his ample substance sorta reveals a lack of substance in your views, when you do so.
  • goldenclawgoldenclaw Posts: 229member
    I remember when an "artist" used to be someone who painted stuff.



    I don't think we've seen a clearer case of libel in a long, long time. Purposefully misrepresented information and presented it as fact that has hurt Apple financially. No wonder the people around him are panicking, they know a giant monetary settlement is coming.
  • bsgincbsginc Posts: 78member
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    Others have worked to bring the focus back on the plight of the workers, dismissing Daisey's inaccuracies as irrelevant to the issue of alleged labor abuses at Foxconn and other manufacturers in China.



    Amazed that no one commented on the fact that the don't-bother-me-with-the facts-my-mind-is-made-up crowd is undeterred by truth. By ignoring facts, they weaken their position beyond the damage done by Daisey's falsehoods. I wonder, does the NYT qualify as an other with their weak modification to their original story? That's probably OK to keep on since Daisey seems to cling to the lies when he says his translator doesn't remember what he does. I guess calling her a liar would be too ironic!
  • markbyrnmarkbyrn Posts: 560member
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    What'll make me happy is if you take your political claptrap to any of the multitudinous sites where it would be more appropriate.



    So you're saying that Apple's use of cheap labor in China via Foxconn is not a political issue? I beg to differ but it seems that many people bashing on Apple 'conveniently' forget that Apple is among among a vast multitude of corporations that use use labor in China and other developing countries. Also, it's not just computer technology; clothes, shoes, food, appliances, and so forth. Apple has indeed a political target for people like Daisey and Michael Moore if you read his website.
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  • solipsismxsolipsismx Posts: 19,566member
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    So you're saying that Apple's use of cheap labor in China via Foxconn is not a political issue?



    While it may be a political target by the people you mentioned Apple does not use Foxconn to manufacturer their products because it's a political issue, they use it because it substantially reduces the cost of their products at a given quality level.
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