Obama is stoking racial tensions to get reelected

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  • bergermeisterbergermeister Posts: 6,784member
    My impression of Obama leads me to believe that if this kid had been white, he would still have said the same thing. Because he has class.



    And that eats some people up.
  • trumptmantrumptman Posts: 16,255member
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    My impression of Obama leads me to believe that if this kid had been white, he would still have said the same thing. Because he has class.



    And that eats some people up.



    Obama would have said that a white kid named Ralph would look just like his son.



    "If I had a son, he'd look like Ralph Martin"



    Are you saying that Obama and others would be claiming this as a white on black crime if this guy...







    was name Jorge Martinez instead of George Zimmerman?



    The point is there have been all manner of crimes involving bullying, race, and harm to others. Obama hasn't spoken out about them. However all his wedge political issues involve his children both real and imagined.
  • tontontonton Posts: 14,063member
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    Are you saying that Obama and others would be claiming this as a white on black crime if this guy was name Jorge Martinez instead of George Zimmerman?



    Only an asshole with absolutely no handle on reality would claim Obama said this was a white on black crime.



    Question for the completely retarded:

    Can a black cop be racist against a black youth?
  • sdw2001sdw2001 Posts: 16,190member
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    I'm sure obama will bring up this topic, say it's a racial issue, compare differences between a variety of races, explain that "not white" means it can't be a racial issue, and that all brown people look the same, and blame the victim.



    Oh, wait, that's what SDW and Trumptman did.



    Who's the real racist? As usual?



    No one here blamed the victim. We're saying we don't know if he even was a victim. You seem all too willing to be judge and jury here, just as the racial instigators do. I'd prefer to see where the facts lead us, letting the process work. Apparently, you don't.



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    Only an asshole with absolutely no handle on reality would claim Obama said this was a white on black crime.



    Question for the completely retarded:

    Can a black cop be racist against a black youth?



    Of course he didn't say that. He can't say that. But the point is he made it about race and blaming Republicans for a law that doesn't even apply here. He also injected his children (again) into the conversation (something he claims to oppose). But that's another example of hypocrisy, so we'll leave that for now.



    As for the question, that's not an easy answer. You may think it's cut and dried, but it's not.
  • tontontonton Posts: 14,063member
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    No one here blamed the victim. We're saying we don't know if he even was a victim. You seem all too willing to be judge and jury here, just as the racial instigators do. I'd prefer to see where the facts lead us, letting the process work. Apparently, you don't.







    Of course he didn't say that. He can't say that. But the point is he made it about race and blaming Republicans for a law that doesn't even apply here. He also injected his children (again) into the conversation (something he claims to oppose). But that's another example of hypocrisy, so we'll leave that for now.



    As for the question, that's not an easy answer. You may think it's cut and dried, but it's not.



    No, I didn't see that he did make it about race at all. I can see, however, that YOU made it about race. Nice work.
  • trumptmantrumptman Posts: 16,255member
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    Only an asshole with absolutely no handle on reality would claim Obama said this was a white on black crime.



    Question for the completely retarded:

    Can a black cop be racist against a black youth?



    Obama said it is troubling to him because the youth looks like his son. He hasn't been upset when similar crimes have happened and they don't happen to look like his imaginary son. There have been several incidents where black teens have actually lit white teens on FIRE. Can you find me the presidential statement on that?



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    No, I didn't see that he did make it about race at all. I can see, however, that YOU made it about race. Nice work.



    So has Obama condemned the New Black Panther Party which has placed a bounty on George Zimmerman's head and called for a 5,000 black militia to go hunt him down and deliver him dead or alive? Has he condemned the hateful Twitter messages, YouTube comments, and people like Spike Lee who have pushed this out of the realm of the reasonable and into demands for violent action?



    I simply ask because this is what you demand of Republican leaders. You don't want to be a hypocrite.
  • floorjackfloorjack Posts: 2,726member
    I think the president should look upon all the children of america and see his sons and daughters.
  • sdw2001sdw2001 Posts: 16,190member
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    No, I didn't see that he did make it about race at all. I can see, however, that YOU made it about race. Nice work.



    Of course you'd defend it. OF COURSE. Dude, get real. He said that if he had a son, he might look like Trayvon. He said America needs to do some "soul-searching." I see...it's just coincidence that the civl rights haters...eh, "leaders" are out there saying "black America is under attack." It's just a coincidence that he said this while the New Black Panthers have a $10,000 bounty on the shooter's head. It's just a coincidence that he hasn't made a statement about the Mississippi State shooting involving a white student. Why no soul searching there? Of course it's a freaking racial issue. He WANTS it to be a racial issue.
  • kingofsomewherehotkingofsomewherehot Posts: 3,989member
    It's only about race if YOU make it about race.



    A person shot and killed another person. Why bring race into it at all?



    Why question the "Stand your ground" laws?... They don't apply here. Zimmerman was NOT "standing his ground"... He was actively pursuing Martin and even said so on the 911 tapes... Even though the police told him to STOP pursuing him!

    If anything, Martin had the right to stand HIS ground and protect himself against the person perusing/threatening HIM! (though bringing a bag of skittles to a gunfight wasn't the brightest idea. )



    To anyone who is familiar with the gun laws in FL and listens to the 911 tapes, it's fairly obvious that Zimmerman needs to be charged with manslaughter at the least, and possibly murder.



    (And neither party's race has anything to do with the charges or crime! ... So quit playing that tired, antagonistic card.)
  • sammi josammi jo Posts: 4,634member
    There seems to be a general trend amongst the right wingers here to default to blaming the victim. That comes as little surprise, given that the victim is someone who doesn't fit into the preferred mold... ie "Trayvon Martin is not one of us".



    A woman who says she and her roommate witnessed the final moments of Trayvon Martin's life told Dateline NBC that George Zimmerman had "his hands pressed on his back" and "never turned him over or tried to help him."
  • mj1970mj1970 Posts: 9,002member
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    There seems to be a general trend amongst the right wingers here to default to blaming the victim.



    Really? Who?
  • trumptmantrumptman Posts: 16,255member
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    It's only about race if YOU make it about race.



    A person shot and killed another person. Why bring race into it at all?



    Race has been brought in because clearly some parties are not happy with what the police have done in handling this matter.



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    Why question the "Stand your ground" laws?... They don't apply here. Zimmerman was NOT "standing his ground"... He was actively pursuing Martin and even said so on the 911 tapes... Even though the police told him to STOP pursuing him!

    If anything, Martin had the right to stand HIS ground and protect himself against the person perusing/threatening HIM! (though bringing a bag of skittles to a gunfight wasn't the brightest idea. )



    To anyone who is familiar with the gun laws in FL and listens to the 911 tapes, it's fairly obvious that Zimmerman needs to be charged with manslaughter at the least, and possibly murder.





    In my opinion, this is going to end up much like the Duke lacrosse case.
    I'm not saying George Zimmerman is without fault and that perhaps overtime a deeper investigation will reveal a charge for him. However I suspect Trayvon Martin has much more to his story than pictures of him playing footback back when he was 12-13 years old. It takes quite a bit to be suspended from school for 10 days as well.



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    (And neither party's race has anything to do with the charges or crime! ... So quit playing that tired, antagonistic card.)



    Perhaps you should mention that to the president.



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    There seems to be a general trend amongst the right wingers here to default to blaming the victim. That comes as little surprise, given that the victim is someone who doesn't fit into the preferred mold... ie "Trayvon Martin is not one of us".



    A woman who says she and her roommate witnessed the final moments of Trayvon Martin's life told Dateline NBC that George Zimmerman had "his hands pressed on his back" and "never turned him over or tried to help him."



    How exactly is not grabbing my hoodie and joining the Black Panther lynch mob blaming the victim?
  • sdw2001sdw2001 Posts: 16,190member
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    It's only about race if YOU make it about race.



    Did Jesse Jackson make it about race? Al Sharpton? The people carrying the "you can't have capitalism without (edited for typo) racism signs?



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    A person shot and killed another person. Why bring race into it at all?



    Good question.



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    Why question the "Stand your ground" laws?... They don't apply here.



    Agreed.



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    Zimmerman was NOT "standing his ground"... He was actively pursuing Martin and even said so on the 911 tapes... Even though the police told him to STOP pursuing him!

    If anything, Martin had the right to stand HIS ground and protect himself against the person perusing/threatening HIM! (though bringing a bag of skittles to a gunfight wasn't the brightest idea. )



    Those laws wouldn't apply, either.



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    To anyone who is familiar with the gun laws in FL and listens to the 911 tapes, it's fairly obvious that Zimmerman needs to be charged with manslaughter at the least, and possibly murder.



    I think that's at least debatable. The tapes are also not the only evidence that the prosecutor and police have. We'll see what they decide to do.



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    (And neither party's race has anything to do with the charges or crime! ... So quit playing that tired, antagonistic card.)



    Well, he may get charged with a hate crime, so that's not true either. I don't like hate crimes legislation, but that's another matter.
  • mj1970mj1970 Posts: 9,002member
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    The people carrying the "you can't have capitalism with racism signs?



    Ya know...if you take "capitalism"...and drop "capit" and add an "r" and replace the "l" with a "c'...you have "racism."











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    "you can't have capitalism with racism"



    I don't even know what the fuck that means. It's like these people have protest sign dice and they're randomly putting together combinations of words of things things they don't like into some bigger combination of something they REALLY don't like.



  • kingofsomewherehotkingofsomewherehot Posts: 3,989member
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    Did Jesse Jackson make it about race? Al Sharpton? The people carrying the "you can't have capitalism with racism signs?



    What I meant was "you" as in each individual person that thinks about this case.

    Race only matters to bigots.



    Yes... Jessie and Al and friends are bringing race into it ... but not because race BELONG's in the debate ... only because that is their default position for EVERYTHING.

    The fact that they do this ALL THE TIME shows that THEY are the bigots and racists. Most other people would be happy to prosecute the crime based on what happened rather than on the color of one's skin or their religion or whatever other bigoted ideas Jessie and Al want to come up with.
  • jazzgurujazzguru Posts: 6,435member
    Former NAACP leader accuses Sharpton and Jackson of ‘exploiting’ Trayvon Martin



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    Former NAACP leader C.L. Bryant is accusing Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton of “exploiting” the Trayvon Martin tragedy to “racially divide this country.”



    “His family should be outraged at the fact that they’re using this child as the bait to inflame racial passions,” Rev. C.L. Bryant said in a Monday interview with The Daily Caller.



    The conservative black pastor who was once the chapter president of the Garland, Texas NAACP called Jackson and Sharpton “race hustlers” and said they are “acting as though they are buzzards circling the carcass of this young boy.”



    Jackson, for example, recently said Martin’s death shows how “blacks are under attack” and “targeting, arresting, convicting blacks and ultimately killing us is big business.” (SEE ALSO: Jesse Jackson says Trayvon Martin ‘murdered and martyred’)



    George Zimmerman, a neighborhood watch captain, killed Martin, a 17-year-old black man who was unarmed at the time of his death, last month. Zimmerman has claimed to have shot Martin in self-defense and has not been charged with a crime.



    But Bryant, who explores the topic of black-on-black crime in his new film “Runaway Slave,” said people like Jackson and Sharpton are being misleading to suggest there is an epidemic of “white men killing black young men.”



    “The epidemic is truly black on black crime,” Bryant said. “The greatest danger to the lives of young black men are young black men.”



    Bryant said he wishes civil rights leaders were protesting those problems.



    “Why not be angry about the wholesale murder that goes on in the streets of Newark and Chicago?” he asked. “Why isn’t somebody angry about that six-year-old girl who was killed on her steps last weekend in a cross fire when two gang members in Chicago start shooting at each other? Why is there no outrage about that?”



    Bryant said he worries that “people like Sharpton and those on the left” will make Martin’s death a campaign issue in the presidential race.



    He speculated that they will “turn this evolving tragedy of this young man into fodder to say… if you don’t re-elect Obama then you will have unbridled events or circumstances like this happening in the streets to young men wearing hoodies.”



    He also criticized President Obama for his “nebulous statement” responding to Martin’s death that “if I had a son, he’d look like Trayvon.”



    “What does that mean?” Bryant asked. “What was the purpose in that?”



  • jazzgurujazzguru Posts: 6,435member
    Mother Seeks Trayvon Martin Trademarks



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    The mother of Trayvon Martin has filed two applications to secure trademarks containing her late son’s name, records show.



    Sabrina Fulton is seeking marks for the phrases “I Am Trayvon” and “Justice for Trayvon,” according to filings made last week with the United States Patent and Trademark Office. In both instances, Fulton is seeking the trademarks for use on “Digital materials, namely, CDs and DVDs featuring Trayvon Martin,” and other products.



    The March 21 USPTO applications, each of which cost $325, were filed by an Orlando, Florida law firm representing Fulton.



    "I'll think of Trayvon® every time I cash my royalty check."
  • sammi josammi jo Posts: 4,634member
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    Really? Who?



    Read the thread. It is readily apparent that those who have bought into institutionalized racism automatically *assume* that Martin was a gang-banger, or a criminal, or had bad intent, because of his color, his attire, perhaps even his age or all these combined. There has been endless repetitive indoctrination by the media, especially in the last 30 years, to demonize young black males, and people default to what is comfortable and convenient, an easy solution that fits their often insular, filtered world view. Oh, and gated communities are for those who prefer to filter their existences from people like Trayvon.... whose profile fitted the description of a person who should not be there... despite having permission to be there.



    What kind of precedent can be set by the complete lack of justice in this case? Trigger happy bozos employed by private security can fire at people as a first resort, then give the excuse of "self defense" despite contrary reports by witnesses, and expect the police to do nothing.



    Furthermore, the lack of *any* action in this case re. the law, has been a huge step BACKWARD in race relations. It has been one month since the killing. There has been no justice and by the way things are going, there probably will be no justice. Is this acceptable anywhere? Is this OK in a western industrial nation? There are some folk in here trying to defend the indefensible, by sticking up for a callous killer.
  • mj1970mj1970 Posts: 9,002member
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    Read the thread.



    I did.





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    It is readily apparent that those who have bought into institutionalized racism automatically *assume* that Martin was a gang-banger, or a criminal, or had bad intent, because of his color, his attire, perhaps even his age or all these combined.



    Maybe you could help me by pointing to some specific posts or quotes.







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    Originally Posted by sammi jo View Post


    What kind of precedent can be set by the complete lack of justice in this case? Trigger happy bozos employed by private security can fire at people as a first resort, then give the excuse of "self defense" despite contrary reports by witnesses, and expect the police to do nothing.



    I'm personally reserving my judgement until I've had the opportunity to see and hear all of the facts that are available. Even then the case might not be clear. I haven't been following the case very closely.





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    Furthermore, the lack of *any* action in this case re. the law, has been a huge step BACKWARD in race relations. It has been one month since the killing. There has been no justice and by the way things are going, there probably will be no justice. Is this acceptable anywhere? Is this OK in a western industrial nation? There are some folk in here trying to defend the indefensible, by sticking up for a callous killer.



    Again, I'll reserve judgement. I suspect that the suspect isn't going anywhere right now and the police are perhaps re-investigating but trying to avoid a knee-jerk reaction also.



    It's true that it's quite possible justice will not prevail in this case. That would be bad. But I'm not assuming that's the case at this point.
  • hmurchisonhmurchison Posts: 11,874member, moderator
    I'm just simply waiting for the other shoe to fall.



    I care little about the racism argument though the "f%^& coons" comment taking in context with Zimmerman's diatribe about "assholes always getting away" is going to doom him.



    Even if Zimmerman avoids criminal prosecution he's going to ignominiously lose any civil case that comes up. He's done like a baked potato.



    In the end everyone loses. Martin, Zimmerman, The Sanford PD and local citizens.
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