500 Mil? Not much money? You do realize just because a company does not make as much money as Apple they are no considered failures? A profit is a profit, people are employed, money is coming in. Sounds pretty good. Unless of course the whole world can be run on iPods, iPhones, iPads and Mac's???? Hard to ride my iPad to work, eat my Mac for lunch.
12.5 billion-- the price Google paid for Motorola-- now that's a lot of money.
If you ever run out of material or just simply don't feel up to trolling at the moment, bookmark this page as a resource. The MG Siegler version would fit right in with a post like this with some readers not even noticing you didn't author it yourself. It's a real time-saver:
EDIT: On second thought I'll give you more credit than that. Your post was more of a "Mad as Hell" Gruber. My bad.
Of course you could always click over to the Android version and pretty much be done with 90% of the "stupid fanboys let me explain it to you" stuff we get here. But that wouldn't be any fun, since, um, this is an Apple centric site and all.
Do you think anyone on an Android centric site ever recommends "how to be an Android troll" to their fellow posters? Probably not, because that would be so fucked up.
I'll think about what you've said, but I'd also like to add some thoughts. In 2008 Apple sold ~12million iPhones. If Android activations are ~850k devices/day and increasing all of those iPhone sales are negated in ~15 days (not including the delta with iPhone sales). Plus all of those Android devices are better equipped for generating ad revenue than an iPhone in 2008.
Yes, as you rightly point out LucianA's logic is utterly absurd. Here's another example". He says:
"Even now there are 300 million Android devices and about 350 million iOS devices, but since Android is growing about twice as fast, it should surpass it soon. Same for the apps."
Therefore there are only 50m more iOS devices than Android or 16.7% more.
* But According to Google's own testimony to Congress, two thirds of Google mobile searches come from iOS devices.
* According to the article, Apple's revenue from Apps is $4.9 billion: that's more than 14.5 times Android's revenue of just $0.34 billion.
Evidence is mounting that the countless billions of dollars that Google have wasted in creating Android and in the process betraying Steve Jobs' trust and alienating Apple and misleading consumers with its dysfunctional, fragmented copy-cat rip-off of iOS, will come to be recognised as one of the greatest mistakes in corporate history.
500 Mil? Not much money? You do realize just because a company does not make as much money as Apple they are no considered failures? A profit is a profit, people are employed, money is coming in. Sounds pretty good. Unless of course the whole world can be run on iPods, iPhones, iPads and Mac's???? Hard to ride my iPad to work, eat my Mac for lunch.
That's nonsense.
$500 M was REVENUE, not profit. They have to pay for all the costs of operating their ad network. They have to pay for Android development. They have to pay for any legal expenses. And they paid $12,500 M for Motorola mobility.
It's not clear that they made any money at all - and even if they did, it's not clear that $12,500 M for MM was a good investment.
Of course you could always click over to the Android version and pretty much be done with 90% of the "stupid fanboys let me explain it to you" stuff we get here. But that wouldn't be any fun, since, um, this is an Apple centric site and all.
Do you think anyone on an Android centric site ever recommends "how to be an Android troll" to their fellow posters? Probably not, because that would be so fucked up.
I think that's where I saw the original link. It was mentioned in an article on an Android site and linked to the Android troll helper. Ya gotta have a sense of humor sometimes or just make yourself nuts.
They will still continue to use Google through Siri as they do know.
Siri is not a search engine., It is a user interface.
What do you think Siri uses as a search engine? Google (though it also uses Yahoo! & Bing)
When Siri searches Google it does so anonymously, not giving any user data or leaving cookies, so Google is unable to monetize the user information with advertisers.
This represents a serious long term danger for Google.
When Siri searches Google it does so anonymously, not giving any user data or leaving cookies, so Google is unable to monetize the user information with advertisers.
This represents a serious long term danger for Google.
What services does Siri use Google for? I'm aware of Maps but I can't think of anything else. Most of it seems to rely on Wlofram-Alpha, with a distant second by Yelp. If it can't find a result it asks you if you want search Google (assuming you have chosen that search engine in iOS settings) and then it's called in the Safari search window if you press the button.
Either Google is lying about [misrepresenting] its Android income * or stupid for continuing the Android quest at the risk of alienating Apple and losing income... Or both!
* to minimize penalties
And the $12 billion MMI purchase isn't going to get them to where they want to go...
What we need now is something akin to 'click to flash' for iOS that blocks any Google ad unless the user allows it.
I doubt that. I find it likely that many people buy the iPhone as the "default" purchase. Many people buy because of their friend's recommendation. Many people buy due to the salesman's recommendation. Many buy for many different reasons.
If the iPhone were some sort of unusual choice, you might have a valid point. but when the product is the standard default product for newbies, your conclusion is unsupportable.
That's your comeback to "Everyone buys an iPhone specifically BECAUSE they want an iPhone"????
If you ever run out of material or just simply don't feel up to trolling at the moment, bookmark this page as a resource. The MG Siegler version would fit right in with a post like this with some readers not even noticing you didn't author it yourself. It's a real time-saver:
The numbers just don't add up. If there are more android devices running google search, google maps, and everything google that ios devices run, then their revenue should be higher from android than ios. Unless... The majority of android devices aren't running google search, maps, etc..
It is all about costs and what they can write off. Because they produce Android source code, their profit on Android is all their income minus costs.
Apart from bidding on Motorola, they also made many purchases of either small companies or IP portfolios related to Android. This is all written off against Android profits. Their total income from Android could far exceed that from Apple and they could still be making less profit from Android.
This type of long term development is common in large companies, and Google are betting on things being very different in a couple of years time.
Of course, their thinking may be that Apple was likely to cut them out at some point even if they played nice so better to be master of your own destiny, which I can't really fault them for.
I seem to come down on this side of your analysis. I believe Apple wisely realizes it can make a nice income, which is constantly growing, from within its ecosystem. That said, Apple must also realize the importance of its core technologies that the "Apple Experience" require. I'm sure Apple hasn't abandoned the principles that got them where they are today, and Apple is right on schedule for future innovation. Apple will do what Apple does best; producing an integrated hardware and software solution to people who know the technology, can afford it, and already have agreed that the Apple experience is really all they need.
This is actually a very good article explaining the revenue of Google and Apple's Ad revenue.
Google has by now, must have understood that how critical Apple is to them.
But some of the most popular apps in iTunes store are free in Android Market. Thus Google hardly makes money on them. Advertising is the only channel it earns good.
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500 Mil? Not much money? You do realize just because a company does not make as much money as Apple they are no considered failures? A profit is a profit, people are employed, money is coming in. Sounds pretty good. Unless of course the whole world can be run on iPods, iPhones, iPads and Mac's???? Hard to ride my iPad to work, eat my Mac for lunch.
12.5 billion-- the price Google paid for Motorola-- now that's a lot of money.
Hello? Anybody home?
What are you blabbering on about?
I take it you didnt visit that site
If you ever run out of material or just simply don't feel up to trolling at the moment, bookmark this page as a resource. The MG Siegler version would fit right in with a post like this with some readers not even noticing you didn't author it yourself. It's a real time-saver:
http://trollemipsum.appspot.com/?typ...&length=screed
EDIT: On second thought I'll give you more credit than that. Your post was more of a "Mad as Hell" Gruber. My bad.
Of course you could always click over to the Android version and pretty much be done with 90% of the "stupid fanboys let me explain it to you" stuff we get here. But that wouldn't be any fun, since, um, this is an Apple centric site and all.
Do you think anyone on an Android centric site ever recommends "how to be an Android troll" to their fellow posters? Probably not, because that would be so fucked up.
I take it you didnt visit that site
Oh, I did. Great site. I just could not reconcile his second para with his first.
Must be slow today....
I'll think about what you've said, but I'd also like to add some thoughts. In 2008 Apple sold ~12million iPhones. If Android activations are ~850k devices/day and increasing all of those iPhone sales are negated in ~15 days (not including the delta with iPhone sales). Plus all of those Android devices are better equipped for generating ad revenue than an iPhone in 2008.
Yes, as you rightly point out LucianA's logic is utterly absurd. Here's another example". He says:
"Even now there are 300 million Android devices and about 350 million iOS devices, but since Android is growing about twice as fast, it should surpass it soon. Same for the apps."
Therefore there are only 50m more iOS devices than Android or 16.7% more.
* But According to Google's own testimony to Congress, two thirds of Google mobile searches come from iOS devices.
* According to the article, Apple's revenue from Apps is $4.9 billion: that's more than 14.5 times Android's revenue of just $0.34 billion.
Evidence is mounting that the countless billions of dollars that Google have wasted in creating Android and in the process betraying Steve Jobs' trust and alienating Apple and misleading consumers with its dysfunctional, fragmented copy-cat rip-off of iOS, will come to be recognised as one of the greatest mistakes in corporate history.
This article may signal time to short Google.
As our dear, departed friend Slappy might say
"Google and Android are doomed....DOOMED I say"
500 Mil? Not much money? You do realize just because a company does not make as much money as Apple they are no considered failures? A profit is a profit, people are employed, money is coming in. Sounds pretty good. Unless of course the whole world can be run on iPods, iPhones, iPads and Mac's???? Hard to ride my iPad to work, eat my Mac for lunch.
That's nonsense.
$500 M was REVENUE, not profit. They have to pay for all the costs of operating their ad network. They have to pay for Android development. They have to pay for any legal expenses. And they paid $12,500 M for Motorola mobility.
It's not clear that they made any money at all - and even if they did, it's not clear that $12,500 M for MM was a good investment.
Of course you could always click over to the Android version and pretty much be done with 90% of the "stupid fanboys let me explain it to you" stuff we get here. But that wouldn't be any fun, since, um, this is an Apple centric site and all.
Do you think anyone on an Android centric site ever recommends "how to be an Android troll" to their fellow posters? Probably not, because that would be so fucked up.
I think that's where I saw the original link. It was mentioned in an article on an Android site and linked to the Android troll helper. Ya gotta have a sense of humor sometimes or just make yourself nuts.
Oh, I did. Great site. I just could not reconcile his second para with his first.
Must be slow today....
I suppose. His post wasn't profane, unlike the Siegler version. His was closer to a mad Gruber IMO, thus the EDIT comments.
Once Siri is out of beta, why would anyone use google in safari to search for something?
They will still continue to use Google through Siri as they do know.
Siri is not a search engine., It is a user interface.
What do you think Siri uses as a search engine? Google (though it also uses Yahoo! & Bing)
They will still continue to use Google through Siri as they do know.
Siri is not a search engine., It is a user interface.
What do you think Siri uses as a search engine? Google (though it also uses Yahoo! & Bing)
When Siri searches Google it does so anonymously, not giving any user data or leaving cookies, so Google is unable to monetize the user information with advertisers.
This represents a serious long term danger for Google.
When Siri searches Google it does so anonymously, not giving any user data or leaving cookies, so Google is unable to monetize the user information with advertisers.
This represents a serious long term danger for Google.
What services does Siri use Google for? I'm aware of Maps but I can't think of anything else. Most of it seems to rely on Wlofram-Alpha, with a distant second by Yelp. If it can't find a result it asks you if you want search Google (assuming you have chosen that search engine in iOS settings) and then it's called in the Safari search window if you press the button.
Either Google is lying about [misrepresenting] its Android income * or stupid for continuing the Android quest at the risk of alienating Apple and losing income... Or both!
* to minimize penalties
And the $12 billion MMI purchase isn't going to get them to where they want to go...
What we need now is something akin to 'click to flash' for iOS that blocks any Google ad unless the user allows it.
I doubt that. I find it likely that many people buy the iPhone as the "default" purchase. Many people buy because of their friend's recommendation. Many people buy due to the salesman's recommendation. Many buy for many different reasons.
If the iPhone were some sort of unusual choice, you might have a valid point. but when the product is the standard default product for newbies, your conclusion is unsupportable.
That's your comeback to "Everyone buys an iPhone specifically BECAUSE they want an iPhone"????
Weakest...
counterargument...
EVER.
What we need now is something akin to 'click to flash' for iOS that blocks any Google ad unless the user allows it.
I selectively block access to Google services with Little Snitch.
"www.google-analytics wants access on TCP port 80"
NOPE!
BLOCK. ALL. FOREVER.
Yay.
If you ever run out of material or just simply don't feel up to trolling at the moment, bookmark this page as a resource. The MG Siegler version would fit right in with a post like this with some readers not even noticing you didn't author it yourself. It's a real time-saver:
http://trollemipsum.appspot.com/?typ...&length=screed
EDIT: On second thought I'll give you more credit than that. Your post was more of a "Mad as Hell" Gruber. My bad.
Pray, do tell, how the hell a fan of Apple products on a Apple-related website is 'trolling'?
Or Android users do not rely on their tech to define them.
Enough said. If my 14 year old had that attitude I would consider myself a massive failure.
Don't lose hope.
Anybody who had reached the point of procreating yet chosen a username of 'Hellacool' could probably still claim dibs on that massive failure thing.
The general belief here is that he is 14.
The general belief among who specifically?
I ask, because it's probably just you...
The numbers just don't add up. If there are more android devices running google search, google maps, and everything google that ios devices run, then their revenue should be higher from android than ios. Unless... The majority of android devices aren't running google search, maps, etc..
It is all about costs and what they can write off. Because they produce Android source code, their profit on Android is all their income minus costs.
Apart from bidding on Motorola, they also made many purchases of either small companies or IP portfolios related to Android. This is all written off against Android profits. Their total income from Android could far exceed that from Apple and they could still be making less profit from Android.
This type of long term development is common in large companies, and Google are betting on things being very different in a couple of years time.
Of course, their thinking may be that Apple was likely to cut them out at some point even if they played nice so better to be master of your own destiny, which I can't really fault them for.
I seem to come down on this side of your analysis. I believe Apple wisely realizes it can make a nice income, which is constantly growing, from within its ecosystem. That said, Apple must also realize the importance of its core technologies that the "Apple Experience" require. I'm sure Apple hasn't abandoned the principles that got them where they are today, and Apple is right on schedule for future innovation. Apple will do what Apple does best; producing an integrated hardware and software solution to people who know the technology, can afford it, and already have agreed that the Apple experience is really all they need.
Google has by now, must have understood that how critical Apple is to them.
But some of the most popular apps in iTunes store are free in Android Market. Thus Google hardly makes money on them. Advertising is the only channel it earns good.
I see. I thought iOS users were smarter than that. Why do they click on so many ads?
yea, you just reminded us how smart were Apple haters
so Google earns from users "clicking" on ads