"Gatorguy, Who do you think you are kidding when you say "Android isn't an obvious security risk"?
If you actually read the text of your link it says: "Android also suffers from a marketplace which is the equivalent of a warzone. The Android Market has a minuscule amount of security in place, and Google allows pretty much any application to be submitted to the market for sale or download. Unlike Apple, Google does not check the security or validity of any applications prior to them going up for sale."
"Gatorguy, Who do you think you are kidding when you say "Android isn't an obvious security risk"?
If you actually read the text of your link it says: "Android also suffers from a marketplace which is the equivalent of a warzone. The Android Market has a minuscule amount of security in place, and Google allows pretty much any application to be submitted to the market for sale or download. Unlike Apple, Google does not check the security or validity of any applications prior to them going up for sale."
Your own quote explains it. Android is not "the marketplace" which is a different issue from the security of Android the OS. Android itself is equally as secure (or insecure as the case may be) as iOS. Their handling of the App markets is different.
Your own quote explains it. Android is not "the marketplace" which is a different issue from the security of Android the OS. Android itself is equally as secure (or insecure as the case may be) as iOS. Their handling of the App markets is different.
Yes, your'e right. Android's handling of the App market is part of the problem. It is an absolute disaster because anybody, including any crook or fraudster, can produce and easily infiltrate Android devices with rogue, malicious Apps often pirating and masquerading as legitimate Apps.
Piracy per se is also a huge problem for developers, because if they produce a legitimate best seller, pirates will often move in to cream off the the downloads and profits. This makes Android unattractive to developers, many of whom are turning their backs on it. This is one of the explanations for Android's inability to overtake the number of iOS Apps despite numerous predictions that they would do so by the summer of 2010 and repeatedly thereafter
But Android's problems go further than that. Because it is dysfunctionally fragmented, the majority of Android consumers become stranded with old versions of Android, unable to upgrade to newer versions. This has security implications, as well as degrading the user experience for Android devices, as well as creating a nightmare for developers. It forces them to produce lower standards Apps to function at the lower common denominator levels. It forces developers to spend a great deal of time and money testing and de-dugging Apps across dozens of devices and many different versions of Android OS These factors again contribute to their abandoning this platform or giving it less priority.
Very few models support hardware based encryption.
Allowing multiple sources can be used to install malware, multiple sources means Amazon or an organisations private store.
Giving people heavily modified Donut based devices, sort of defeats the purpose of increasing productivity by giving people what they want to use.
Android as approved by the DoD for secure classified communications is not an open OS . No consumer grade OS would pass muster, iOS included. There's no "rooting" one nor downloading applications from Google, Amazon or Apple's app markets.
Some of the people at Colligo Networks went to Australia to showcase their Briefcase app for iPad, to groups including the government and large enterprise organizations.
As designers of the app, we had to be fully aware of all aspects of security to lock down the entire system. From securely accessing Sharepoint to making sure all data was immediately put in a crypto locked storage. This got audited by Ernst & Young's security researchers, and even has security in the event of the iPad being jailbroken. Apple's APIs guide you to do the right thing, and I'm glad the Australian government acknowledges the platform's security.
The end-to-end security has been a real brain twist for organizations. The US government had provisions saying all devices needed security software on top. There was no provision until very recently for a secure platform, however the way iOS has been designed even the Anti-virus guys can't install their software legitimately. There's some very smart Apple security people that explain how it all works. I spent a full day learning about Apple's security infrastructure at Apple Connect 2012 a couple weeks ago, and it was totally worth it.
I think the BIG WIN is appliance like computing, minimal support costs, on a device that's actually elegant and fun for personal use.
Who would have thought that there would be a need for classified data in Australia?
I hope you are joking and/or not from the US otherwise this is classic American ignorance. You do realise Australia is the only decent US/Nato ally within a radius of, oh, 10,000 miles? That is, this ~quarter~ of the world? (Besides Japan of course, but seeing as one nuclear reactor could have taken out half the country, I don't think the USA should be too optimistic about them). Don't take the local's seemingly lackadaisical nature like GTR below for granted. There's serious sh*t that happens here, only thing is, people tend not to brag about it. Sure, the intellectual, military and political elite can be found at the local pub (bar) having a VB with "Kev" or "Shazza" ... but it doesn't mean they sit around at their day job doing nothing all day. They may drive a $20,000 Holden(Chevy) but doesn't mean they can't afford a Lambo. It's the great illusion, luckily a harmless one, of Australia.
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Originally Posted by GTR
That was my first thought. We have secrets???
As an additional bonus, iPads used for classified work can also be thrown 'Odd-job' style to cut people's heads off.
Way cool.
Yup, who needs secrets when your mate out the back is the Prime Minister tending to some cows. Just invite him over for a beer and he'll tell you all you need to know.
"Got any secrets mate?"
"Nah mate, just the bloody yanks being tossers. Now let's get on a kangaroo and ride over to the beach for a surf."
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Originally Posted by justflybob
Well at least now there is one government body that actually got something right.
Despite several flaws, Australia has actually gone from relative backwater to a significant developed country that hasn't descended into chaos like Britain or Ireland.
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There's a good infographic here that compare the two platforms from a security standpoint:
http://www.redmondpie.com/android-vs...y-infographic/
"Gatorguy, Who do you think you are kidding when you say "Android isn't an obvious security risk"?
If you actually read the text of your link it says: "Android also suffers from a marketplace which is the equivalent of a warzone. The Android Market has a minuscule amount of security in place, and Google allows pretty much any application to be submitted to the market for sale or download. Unlike Apple, Google does not check the security or validity of any applications prior to them going up for sale."
Who would have thought that there would be a need for classified data in Australia?
That was my first thought. We have secrets???
As an additional bonus, iPads used for classified work can also be thrown 'Odd-job' style to cut people's heads off.
Way cool.
"Gatorguy, Who do you think you are kidding when you say "Android isn't an obvious security risk"?
If you actually read the text of your link it says: "Android also suffers from a marketplace which is the equivalent of a warzone. The Android Market has a minuscule amount of security in place, and Google allows pretty much any application to be submitted to the market for sale or download. Unlike Apple, Google does not check the security or validity of any applications prior to them going up for sale."
Your own quote explains it. Android is not "the marketplace" which is a different issue from the security of Android the OS. Android itself is equally as secure (or insecure as the case may be) as iOS. Their handling of the App markets is different.
Do some reading other than at AI or other enthusiast sites and you should find out rather quickly that Android isn't an obvious security risk.
How come?
What's to stop people rooting them?
Very few models support hardware based encryption.
Allowing multiple sources can be used to install malware, multiple sources means Amazon or an organisations private store.
Consumer updates wouldn't apply to secured devices for classified uses.
Giving people heavily modified Donut based devices, sort of defeats the purpose of increasing productivity by giving people what they want to use.
Your own quote explains it. Android is not "the marketplace" which is a different issue from the security of Android the OS. Android itself is equally as secure (or insecure as the case may be) as iOS. Their handling of the App markets is different.
Yes, your'e right. Android's handling of the App market is part of the problem. It is an absolute disaster because anybody, including any crook or fraudster, can produce and easily infiltrate Android devices with rogue, malicious Apps often pirating and masquerading as legitimate Apps.
Piracy per se is also a huge problem for developers, because if they produce a legitimate best seller, pirates will often move in to cream off the the downloads and profits. This makes Android unattractive to developers, many of whom are turning their backs on it. This is one of the explanations for Android's inability to overtake the number of iOS Apps despite numerous predictions that they would do so by the summer of 2010 and repeatedly thereafter
But Android's problems go further than that. Because it is dysfunctionally fragmented, the majority of Android consumers become stranded with old versions of Android, unable to upgrade to newer versions. This has security implications, as well as degrading the user experience for Android devices, as well as creating a nightmare for developers. It forces them to produce lower standards Apps to function at the lower common denominator levels. It forces developers to spend a great deal of time and money testing and de-dugging Apps across dozens of devices and many different versions of Android OS These factors again contribute to their abandoning this platform or giving it less priority.
See: http://theunderstatement.com/post/11...ory-of-support
How come?
What's to stop people rooting them?
Very few models support hardware based encryption.
Allowing multiple sources can be used to install malware, multiple sources means Amazon or an organisations private store.
Giving people heavily modified Donut based devices, sort of defeats the purpose of increasing productivity by giving people what they want to use.
Android as approved by the DoD for secure classified communications is not an open OS . No consumer grade OS would pass muster, iOS included. There's no "rooting" one nor downloading applications from Google, Amazon or Apple's app markets.
Some of the people at Colligo Networks went to Australia to showcase their Briefcase app for iPad, to groups including the government and large enterprise organizations.
As designers of the app, we had to be fully aware of all aspects of security to lock down the entire system. From securely accessing Sharepoint to making sure all data was immediately put in a crypto locked storage. This got audited by Ernst & Young's security researchers, and even has security in the event of the iPad being jailbroken. Apple's APIs guide you to do the right thing, and I'm glad the Australian government acknowledges the platform's security.
The end-to-end security has been a real brain twist for organizations. The US government had provisions saying all devices needed security software on top. There was no provision until very recently for a secure platform, however the way iOS has been designed even the Anti-virus guys can't install their software legitimately. There's some very smart Apple security people that explain how it all works. I spent a full day learning about Apple's security infrastructure at Apple Connect 2012 a couple weeks ago, and it was totally worth it.
I think the BIG WIN is appliance like computing, minimal support costs, on a device that's actually elegant and fun for personal use.
Cheers!
- Aaron
Conquer Mobile
http://conquermobile.com
Cheers.
Who would have thought that there would be a need for classified data in Australia?
I hope you are joking and/or not from the US otherwise this is classic American ignorance. You do realise Australia is the only decent US/Nato ally within a radius of, oh, 10,000 miles? That is, this ~quarter~ of the world? (Besides Japan of course, but seeing as one nuclear reactor could have taken out half the country, I don't think the USA should be too optimistic about them). Don't take the local's seemingly lackadaisical nature like GTR below for granted. There's serious sh*t that happens here, only thing is, people tend not to brag about it. Sure, the intellectual, military and political elite can be found at the local pub (bar) having a VB with "Kev" or "Shazza" ... but it doesn't mean they sit around at their day job doing nothing all day. They may drive a $20,000 Holden(Chevy) but doesn't mean they can't afford a Lambo. It's the great illusion, luckily a harmless one, of Australia.
That was my first thought. We have secrets???
As an additional bonus, iPads used for classified work can also be thrown 'Odd-job' style to cut people's heads off.
Way cool.
"Got any secrets mate?"
"Nah mate, just the bloody yanks being tossers. Now let's get on a kangaroo and ride over to the beach for a surf."
Well at least now there is one government body that actually got something right.
Despite several flaws, Australia has actually gone from relative backwater to a significant developed country that hasn't descended into chaos like Britain or Ireland.