Judge affirms vital Apple touchscreen patent in case against Motorola

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  • Reply 81 of 166
    orlandoorlando Posts: 601member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by F1Ferrari View Post


    I have a sneaking suspicion that many of the people who berate Apple would litigate like crazy if their own inventions were copied without permission. That charity feeling of 'they should all settle this' would drain from their bodies when their hard work, time, and money invested was making profits for their competition.



    Speaking as an actual software developer I don't actually mind. It happens all the time. My ideas build upon the ideas of others and other people's ideas build ontop of my ideas.



    Building successful products is a lot more complex than just coming up with ideas. Generally speaking ideas are cheap, it is the implementation that is hard.
  • Reply 82 of 166
    cpsrocpsro Posts: 3,189member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by I am a Zither Zather Zuzz View Post


    Maybe it was just a brain fart?



    I've never heard of that. Perhaps you suffered a brain farct?
  • Reply 83 of 166
    blitz1blitz1 Posts: 428member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by TBell View Post


    True, but the specific implementation of how those things are used in Apple's devices was invented by Apple. There is more than one way to do something, and in most cases each way may be eligible for patent protection.



    Further, when you take a whole bunch of things and put them together to make a single item, the arrangement of those small things might be eligible for patent, trademark, and possibly copyright protection.



    Look no further than Coke's original bottle for an example of how that works. Other's created bottles to drink from before Coke. Yet, its bottle was protected by patent, copyright, and trademark law.



    Well, even you must surely know that what you're saying is pure BS.



    1) The icon layout existed well before the iPhone was invented

    2) The tablet existed well before the iPad was out

    3) Every element taken together? I'm sorry, I was under the impression that every user had his own specific iDevice.

    4) If you feel that all the elements taken together make it a unique device, then take the whole bunch in one patent.



    Bottomline? Think before you claim anything
  • Reply 84 of 166
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by hill60 View Post


    That's just reality, Motorola are trying to become the ultimate patent trolls, their "reasonable" demand from Microsoft over H.264 patents amounts to $4 billion a year, Microsoft currently pays MPEG-LA $6.5 million a year if it wasn't capped it would be $60 million a year to license all the other essential patents in the pool.



    Motorola is a money grubbing extortionist.



    No, Motorola is trying to help Google. It's no secret Google doesn't want H.264 to become a standard and are pushing WebM instead. So what better way then to have Motorola make such high demands that Microsoft considers dropping H.264 from their products instead of paying the ridic ulous licensing fees? Seems to me Motorola is treading in some dangerous territory with this move.



    Quote:
    Originally Posted by TBell View Post


    True, but the specific implementation of how those things are used in Apple's devices was invented by Apple. There is more than one way to do something, and in most cases each way may be eligible for patent protection.



    Exactly, More than one way to skin a cat.



    Remember when Apple appllied for a patent on a specific type of facial recognition? All the idiots were screaming "how can Apple patent facial recognition - it's been around for a long time" without even thinking of the possibility that there are numerous methods for facial recognition, and each one is different enough to get its own patent.



    Quote:
    Originally Posted by I am a Zither Zather Zuzz View Post


    I don't believe that you are an attorney, due to the ignorant and sloppy writing displayed here.



    I find it unlikely that an attorney would use the wrong word in this context. Maybe it was just a brain fart? But as of now, I call bullshit.



    He may have made a mistake, but one thing is clear: He has made more sense in two of his posts than reading a whole page of your thinly disguised troll comments.
  • Reply 85 of 166
    tallest skiltallest skil Posts: 43,388member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Blitz1 View Post


    Bottomline? Think before you claim anything



    Says the random guy online to the actual attorney.
  • Reply 86 of 166
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Market_Player View Post


    Google flushed 12.5 Billion down the shitter.



    I hope their shareholders crucify the board members for this totally inexcusable act of trying to purchase your way into innovation.



    Only an idiot would pay that kind of price for a company that has been losing money for years. Moto can't make a tablet that sells, nor can they make a smart phone that sells. Too bad. The new Razor looks good on paper and advertises well, but when people look at it and try it out, they go, "meh," give me something else.



    Android and Motorola have ben and will continue to be a drain on Google and Google's management attention. Watch the search engine revenue continue to drop...
  • Reply 87 of 166
    tbelltbell Posts: 3,146member
    Forgive me, I thought I was addressing a person not a brick wall. \







    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Blitz1 View Post


    Well, even you must surely know that what you're saying is pure BS.



    1) The icon layout existed well before the iPhone was invented

    2) The tablet existed well before the iPad was out

    3) Every element taken together? I'm sorry, I was under the impression that every user had his own specific iDevice.

    4) If you feel that all the elements taken together make it a unique device, then take the whole bunch in one patent.



    Bottomline? Think before you claim anything



  • Reply 88 of 166
    tbelltbell Posts: 3,146member




    Quote:
    Originally Posted by tallest skil View Post


    says the random guy online to the actual attorney.



  • Reply 89 of 166
    tbelltbell Posts: 3,146member
    Others provided good links showing Coke's trademark in its bottle. Here is a link to a more recent example involving Coke over a different product.



    Apple sued several companies alleging trademark violations over companies copying its original iMac. Apple won worldwide injunctions in these cases, all based on trademark violations.



    Quote:
    Originally Posted by stelligent View Post


    The Coke bottle is protected by a trademark? Really?



  • Reply 90 of 166
    vvswarupvvswarup Posts: 336member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Blitz1 View Post


    Quite bizarre how this community reacts to patents: Apple patent? Apple should go all the way! Non-Apple patent? It's Frand or it's invalid or it's.... whatever. The Non-Apples should just be still and certainly not defend their efforts in inventing anything (because, anyway, they're not capable of inventing anything)



    Your perception is completely wrong. FRAND is a legal designation applied to patents that are essential to implementing standards. Apple isn't suing using a patent LEGALLY DESIGNATED as FRAND.
  • Reply 91 of 166
    solipsismxsolipsismx Posts: 19,566member
    I have retained TBell as legal counsel. All replies to me should now be addressed to TBell.
  • Reply 92 of 166
    relicrelic Posts: 4,735member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Macky the Macky View Post


    Only an idiot would pay that kind of price for a company that has been losing money for years. Moto can't make a tablet that sells, nor can they make a smart phone that sells. Too bad. The new Razor looks good on paper and advertises well, but when people look at it and try it out, they go, "meh," give me something else.



    Android and Motorola have been and will continue to be a drain on Google and Google's management attention. Watch the search engine revenue continue to drop...



    Well I'm sure their not idiots. Motorola still has a top notch assembly line and have really creative people working for them. They are going threw a hard time right now but hopefully with the help of Google they can turn things around.



    There was time on this board where Motorola could do no wrong, you remember the PowerPC era, G3, G4 especially. It's amazing how fast you guys turn on something when it involves Apple in a negative way. Apple is just a company like the rest, they don't care about you and if Apple had their way, forums like this wouldn't even exist.



    Isn't Motorola an American company, don't they hire thousands of Americans, still manufacture their products in US borders. In this worlds financial crisis I think any company that is still standing and paying for peoples lively hoods deserve a little more respect then what there receiving here.



    The patent system is flawed and is being used by company's to hinder the business of others. Everyone is doing it and everyone is at fault and it sucks and it is wrong. Yes I believe in protected property, but the things that past as patents nowadays is ridiculous. Case in point, Apples Nano SIM, it's a just a Micro SIM that has been cut down to make it smaller.



    I'm still in the hospital and it's looking like I won't be leaving any times soon if at all, anyway that's not important. Looking around my room I see my heart monitor that has a Motorola badge on it, so did the respirator I was on and the tablet the nurses use. The company doesn't just make phones they build things to improve peoples lives even sustain them. What I'm trying to say is not every one is like Apple, Steve Jobs resurrected what was once a dying company to now the worlds most profitable. Good for them, as a owner of stock and computers I couldn't be happier. However other company's deserve the same recognition that Apple is getting, there will always be ups and downs, Apple will not be number 1 forever, history has shown that.



    Motorola is still a good American company. I'm not even American an I appreciate them.



    Look I understand a lot of you just think I'm a troll and that's understandable as I don't blindly worship Apple and support other systems and manufactures. I came to this forum to see what other people were doing with their macs and also to find cool new programs to play with. Instead what I found was some sort of high school clicky popularity contest to see who can say the best things about Apple and the worst things about everyone else.



    Hey, I like that to as I'm a nosy female but I will also always stand up for the little guy, it's just in my nature as a good person. You can't become an international firm with billions of sales by being an idiot with crappy products, as the person who I am replying to suggests. I am not a plant, I am not a troll, I love most Apple products, however I will always try to find something good to say about the company that is being crucified at the moment. I am very sorry if you don't like that and if there isn't a place for someone like me here then just say the word and I'm gone.
  • Reply 93 of 166
    solipsismxsolipsismx Posts: 19,566member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Relic View Post


    Hey, I like that to as I'm a nosy female but I will also always stand up for the little guy, it's just in my nature as a good person.



    So the "little guy" is automatically in the right and the "big guy" is automatically in the wrong? And you don't see a problem with that mindset or your lack of objectivity? So if a dwarf pretended to be a psychic stealing people's money and then was on the run from the feds you'd stand up for the small medium at large?
  • Reply 94 of 166
    ltcompuserltcompuser Posts: 219member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by stelligent View Post


    The Coke bottle is protected by a trademark? Really?



    So are certain Mercedes designs protected by Trademark. See http://carscoop.blogspot.ca/2012/03/...-of-300sl.html



    They don't even make that car anymore and they are going after replicas of it.
  • Reply 95 of 166
    gtrgtr Posts: 3,231member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Relic View Post


    Well I'm sure their not idiots. Motorola still has a top notch assembly line and have really creative people working for them. They are going threw a hard time right now but hopefully with the help of Google they can turn things around.



    There was time on this board where Motorola could do no wrong, you remember the PowerPC era, G3, G4 especially. It's amazing how fast you guys turn on something when it involves Apple in a negative way. Apple is just a company like the rest, they don't care about you and if Apple had their way, forums like this wouldn't even exist.



    Isn't Motorola an American company, don't they hire thousands of Americans, still manufacture their products in US borders. In this worlds financial crisis I think any company that is still standing and paying for peoples lively hoods deserve a little more respect then what there receiving here.



    The patent system is flawed and is being used by company's to hinder the business of others. Everyone is doing it and everyone is at fault and it sucks and it is wrong. Yes I believe in protected property, but the things that past as patents nowadays is ridiculous. Case in point, Apples Nano SIM, it's a just a Micro SIM that has been cut down to make it smaller.



    I'm still in the hospital and it's looking like I won't be leaving any times soon if at all, anyway that's not important. Looking around my room I see my heart monitor that has a Motorola badge on it, so did the respirator I was on and the tablet the nurses use. The company doesn't just make phones they build things to improve peoples lives even sustain them. What I'm trying to say is not every one is like Apple, Steve Jobs resurrected what was once a dying company to now the worlds most profitable. Good for them, as a owner of stock and computers I couldn't be happier. However other company's deserve the same recognition that Apple is getting, there will always be ups and downs, Apple will not be number 1 forever, history has shown that.



    Motorola is still a good American company. I'm not even American an I appreciate them.



    Look I understand a lot of you just think I'm a troll and that's understandable as I don't blindly worship Apple and support other systems and manufactures. I came to this forum to see what other people were doing with their macs and also to find cool new programs to play with. Instead what I found was some sort of high school clicky popularity contest to see who can say the best things about Apple and the worst things about everyone else.



    Hey, I like that to as I'm a nosy female but I will also always stand up for the little guy, it's just in my nature as a good person. You can't become an international firm with billions of sales by being an idiot with crappy products, as the person who I am replying to suggests. I am not a plant, I am not a troll, I love most Apple products, however I will always try to find something good to say about the company that is being crucified at the moment. I am very sorry if you don't like that and if there isn't a place for someone like me here then just say the word and I'm gone.



    I disagree with many of your points, as any small amount of research on the companies involved will disprove them. However, I am beginning to understand your 'trolling' as perhaps a misguided attempt to do the right thing and support the underdog (which is definitely not always a good thing).



    However, I, and I'm sure many other AppleInsider members, hope that whatever issue it is that afflicts you and has you in hospital is resolved, and that you get well soon.
  • Reply 96 of 166
    hill60hill60 Posts: 6,992member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Macky the Macky View Post


    Only an idiot would pay that kind of price for a company that has been losing money for years. Moto can't make a tablet that sells, nor can they make a smart phone that sells. Too bad. The new Razor looks good on paper and advertises well, but when people look at it and try it out, they go, "meh," give me something else.



    Android and Motorola have ben and will continue to be a drain on Google and Google's management attention. Watch the search engine revenue continue to drop...



    Unless they are successful with their patent trolling.



    If Apple and Microsoft accepted Motorola's "reasonable" licensing model based on 2.25% of entire product cost , then the $12.5 billion would be recouped in less than 2 years.
  • Reply 97 of 166
    relicrelic Posts: 4,735member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by msantti View Post


    You left this out of your post:



    "Posted from my Android phone".



    Funny you said that because I actually posted it using the last and only phone to ever use the Meegos OS. The Nokia N9, I've been trying to use it more and more to justify paying for it. When in all actuality I just bought it as a toy and collectors item. Using it though makes me very sad as it's one of the best mobile OS's ever made and it all ends in this beautifully crafted white unibody N9. One of the first mobile OS that has true multitasking. In the open apps tab you can actually see a movie still being a played, YouTube video being played, a game still in progress and so on. The best part it is based off of Debian and you can install pretty much any .deb.



    It's a real shame that Nokia never really gave it chance since it is such a popular phone in Europe. Instead they're betting the farm on Windows new OS. Which is also a really good OS so I guess all isn't lost. It's nice owning a one of a kind though, I have the very rare white N9, 64GB and it even dual boots now into Android 4.03 and Meegos. The community is also extremely awesome, most of us are programmers and IT specialist. I have never seen so much talent behind a phone that is all intensive purposes, DOA.
  • Reply 98 of 166
    ltcompuserltcompuser Posts: 219member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by shompa View Post


    Dividend, stock buy back program, 5 month slip of iOS5, 2-3 month slip of SSD 2011 iMacs, no redesign of iPhone, iPad 3 with a subpar A5X SoC, iPad 3 with LTE that only works in America and many more examples.



    Tim accepts non perfect products. Steve would never have done it.



    As much as I like Apple's products, I don't think any are perfect. In most cases the benefits outweigh the negatives. One glaring example of imperfection was their mouses, before the Magic Mouse. That's the first Apple mouse I've been able to use.
  • Reply 99 of 166
    mdriftmeyermdriftmeyer Posts: 7,503member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by TBell View Post


    True, but the specific implementation of how those things are used in Apple's devices was invented by Apple. There is more than one way to do something, and in most cases each way may be eligible for patent protection.



    Further, when you take a whole bunch of things and put them together to make a single item, the arrangement of those small things might be eligible for patent, trademark, and possibly copyright protection.



    Look no further than Coke's original bottle for an example of how that works. Other's created bottles to drink from before Coke. Yet, its bottle was protected by patent, copyright, and trademark law.



    Save your breath. Explaining to someone who thinks Patents are based upon first to invent and therefore no other inventions are possible doesn't understand Patent Law. You explained concisely and they'll just whine that the system should be redefined, never mind the Patent system was designed with foresight and intelligence by recognizing that science evolves and improves upon prior scientific thought though unique approaches and implementations of previously proven science.



    We have force dampening systems as one of the most basic principles Dynamic Systems of 2nd order differential equations every Mechanical Engineer knows but you will not see one Mechanical Engineer complain that Ford, Chrysler and everyone else implementing a form of that system should not get a patent for it.



    Instead, you hear from uneducated complaintants who really should get the degree first before proclaiming to know better than those implementing the solution(s).



    The worst is the rampant red herrings about questionable patents like 1 click and therefore the entire system needs to be overhauled.
  • Reply 100 of 166
    mdriftmeyermdriftmeyer Posts: 7,503member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by ltcompuser View Post


    As much as I like Apple's products, I don't think any are perfect. In most cases the benefits outweigh the negatives. One glaring example of imperfection was their mouses, before the Magic Mouse. That's the first Apple mouse I've been able to use.



    Perfection is not attainable. However, relative to the competition the engineering and implementation of their hardware products is second to none. Instead of raising the bar most competitors prefer to cheapen their products to reduce upfront material costs in order to save short term gains in net margins. One by one most of these corporations are seeing their consumer bases decimated and their stock valuations plummeting.



    I suggest they focus on quality.
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