Judge agrees to add newly released Apple and Samsung devices to upcoming trial
A California federal judge on Wendesday agreed with additional stipulations filed jointly by Apple and Samsung in which each party sought to supplement its case in an upcoming trial slated to begin in 2014.
The order on the parties' amended joint stipulations, handed down by Magistrate Judge Paul Grewal, adds a number of new devices to the case and withdraws one as a result of court filings from November 2012. The filing is part of Apple's Galaxy Nexus case and is not to be confused with the Apple v. Samsung court trial which ended in August.
As stated in the stipulation, Apple adds the Galaxy Note II, Galaxy S III with Android 4.1, Rugby Pro, Galaxy Tab 8.9 Wi-Fi and Galaxy Tab 2 10.1 to the case while Samsung tacks on the iPhone 5. The Galaxy S III mini was on the list of devices alleged to have infringed Apple's utility patents, but assertions against the device were dropped after Samsung reported that it was not actively importing or selling the handset in the U.S.
With the Galaxy Nexus trial so far out -- currently scheduled to begin on March 31, 2014 -- there will likely be more devices added and further disputes filed before the fact discovery process is completed in July of this year.
The order on the parties' amended joint stipulations, handed down by Magistrate Judge Paul Grewal, adds a number of new devices to the case and withdraws one as a result of court filings from November 2012. The filing is part of Apple's Galaxy Nexus case and is not to be confused with the Apple v. Samsung court trial which ended in August.
As stated in the stipulation, Apple adds the Galaxy Note II, Galaxy S III with Android 4.1, Rugby Pro, Galaxy Tab 8.9 Wi-Fi and Galaxy Tab 2 10.1 to the case while Samsung tacks on the iPhone 5. The Galaxy S III mini was on the list of devices alleged to have infringed Apple's utility patents, but assertions against the device were dropped after Samsung reported that it was not actively importing or selling the handset in the U.S.
With the Galaxy Nexus trial so far out -- currently scheduled to begin on March 31, 2014 -- there will likely be more devices added and further disputes filed before the fact discovery process is completed in July of this year.
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It's a dumb thing to do. With omni-directional wireless tech it simply makes no sense to have that extra action to move files from one device to another.
Recently my parents visited and I watched them point and air-jab the car's remote control lock in the direction of the car to lock it. I wondered if the generation has been born yet that will not grow up thinking in terms of a physical object or line-of-sight wireless like with IR.
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I will freely admit Samsung did not copy from Apple the ability to transfer files by touching two phones together. Not surprisingly, no one has ever done that other than the people in the commercial.
New to smartphones?
Palm users were beaming (that's even the word they used) apps and files between each other for years before the iPhone or Galaxies were a twinkle in their companies' eyes.
As for today's method, I do it all the time when my son-in-law is in town. We touch to transfer photos, addresses, contacts, websites, apps, directions, you name it. For ease of doing all those things when you're sitting next to each other, it's unbeatable.
Obviously if you're not next to each other, then you must use other methods that require extra action.
This is a stupid physical bump which uses the accelerometer to indicate the action has been accepted.
I just remembered this existed as an iPhone app 3 years ago: https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/bump/id305479724?mt=8
Anyone remember Bump?
Edit: OMG... you beat me by a minute Solip!
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Originally Posted by SolipsismX
This is a stupid physical bump which uses the accelerometer to indicate the action has been accepted.
No sir, it's NFC. No bump required. Heck, you don't even have to touch, but it's easier to get close enough to trigger the transfer, if you do gently place their backs together.
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Perhaps touching is faster than selecting a recipient from a list or telling Siri, but only in the case where you are actually physically close.
Right. That's what I said. When you're physically close, it's unbeatable. Otherwise, not.
It's just like saying that if you have WiFi available, it's cheaper than using your data plan. Of course, if WIFi isn't available, then you must use the data plan.
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The bump had this well before NFC, guess what? Nobody used it
It was less useful, too. Bump only transferred files, and later photos.
As I said, beaming transfers files, photos, contacts, websites, maps, appstore refs, and other things.
For example, we use it when taking multiple cars to a new destination. One person pulls up directions for Google Nav, and we all touch phones, which instantly transfers the same navigation info to each.
It's amazing how people will diss functionality that they don't have and/or have never used.
Doing this as a reply instead of an edit. S Beam in the Samsung Galaxy S III appears to use NFC, not WiFi or BT that is activated by the accelerometer. This means that it doesn't necessarily have to bump but they do have to be close enough to work and then hold that position long enough to complete.
Here are the instructions I found on a site pimping the feature.
This seems like a huge hassle to me. A contact might be feasible compared to linking with BT but a photo will take too long. NFC only has a 20cm max range and 13 to 53KBps data rate. Think slower than dialup and imagine trying to move one photo from your 8Mpx camera. In reality if you want to send even something as simple as a Contact you'd likely just type in their phone number into Messages to send the vCard.
I have to say that Samsung almost had me fooled with this one.
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Originally Posted by SolipsismX
Doing this as a reply instead of an edit. S Beam in the Samsung Galaxy S III appears to use NFC, not WiFi or BT that is activated by the accelerometer. This means that it doesn't necessarily have to bump but they do have to be close enough to work and then hold that position long enough to complete.
Nope, you don't have to hold them together to complete. NFC is merely used to kick off the comm setup. Bluetooth or WiFi is then used for the actual transfer for speed and distance.
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Here are the instructions I found on a site pimping the feature. (...)
You printed the instructions for turning on the feature to begin with. You only have to do that once, ever.
After that, it's as easy and quick as it looks in the ads. Just put the phones close together, touch the screen to okay the transfer, and you can move away while it completes the transfer (which is often done before you do move away).
1) So it kicks you off WiFi to do this transfer?
2) I am not a fan of having an NFC-based authentication that is always on and ready to receive data even after you'd moved away from the device that initiated it. Surely there is some security that has been stated. You have to okay the transfer on screen but what about after that?
edit: OK, so S Beam is an extension of Android Beam. S Beam uses NFC to setup the connection, as you state, to setup a WiFi Direct connection. I see no evidence of BT as an option. At least WiFi Direct means it's the fastest P2P option. Android Beam just uses NFC.
Here is a video of the app in use. This is not as simple and smooth as in the Samsung ad. It looks like you have to affirm the link whilst still making the NFC link which you'll see is not user friendly. I can't imagine using that over sending an iMessage, email or using Dropbox.
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1) So it kicks you off WiFi to do this transfer?
Kicks off? No. Temporarily using peer-to-peer WiFi is invisible to you. If you're using WiFi for web surfing, for example, you go back to it seamlessly.
2) I am not a fan of having an NFC-based authentication that is always on and ready to receive data even after you'd moved away from the device that initiated it. Surely there is some security that has been stated. You have to okay the transfer on screen but what about after that?
It's only good for one transfer each time.
Since you seem to be a pretty intelligent and nice person, let me explain NFC initiated transfers. It's pretty cool, really.
There's a common NFC message protocol that sends a MIME type or URL to the other device. That's all it does, is say "Hey I have this type of thing for you." What the other device does with that information is up to that phone and/or what you've told it to do with that type of info.
For example, if presented with a website URL, the receiving phone will usually open a web browser to display that URL, since that's why you initiated the transfer. It's not required, but it makes the most sense.
Likewise, many phones will see a video MIME type, set up a wireless file transfer, and then play the video, because that makes sense to the user. Of course, with Android, you can set up different default apps, so you could instead have incoming videos open in a video editor. All sorts of possibilities.
Btw, this NFC message protocol is common to all phones that have NFC. All that's needed is for the receiving phone to know what to do with the incoming request. For example, you should be able to initiate file transfers between NFC equipped Blackberry and Android devices in just the same way as above. Unfortunately, BB's don't support a lot of file types, so NFC beaming is more limited with them, but this could be improved as time goes by.
Yeah, kicks off unless they have some service like AirDrop where it can maintain two separate wireless connections but I'm not aware of that being available for phone WiFI.
On a phone it's really a big deal because you'd automatically be pushed back to cellular but let's say Aple had this feature in iOS. What would happen if you had 50MB of photos to transfer from an iPod Touch to an iPad with WiFi. No internet during the transfer unless it had the AirDrop capable HW but that's another issue since AirDrop has been excruciatingly slow my testing.
I'm still not seeing how this is a good feature since you have to initiate the transfer within the NFC loop. Having two devices being held up and then pressing a button on screen. I find this to be a chore to do that with the virtual button for taking a photo with my phone and that doesn't have to be proximal to another device.
I thought S Beam was a better feature before this thread. Now I think it's just a hooky feature that has a very small window of utility compared to other transfer methods.
I knew a guy who was in love with a sheep. He used the same argument.
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Originally Posted by SolipsismX
Here is a video of the app in use. This is not as simple and smooth as in the Samsung ad. It looks like you have to affirm the link whilst still making the NFC link which you'll see is not user friendly. I can't imagine using that over sending an iMessage, email or using Dropbox.
http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-19736_7-57455744-251/samsungs-s-beam-teaches-android-a-new-trick/
Did you watch that video? Did you see her do the YouTube transfer?
All she does is hold up the phone to the other phone and tap the screen with your finger to okay the transfer. Done.
So I'm not sure what you're talking about. It's just that simple and smooth.
It's handy when you're with family, buddies, your wife. Plus it has another advantage over using email or IM... it's totally anonymous! You could be in a group of new friends and need to give someone a map, but you don't want to give away your phone number or email address. No problem, just touch and transfer. No personal info required.
That was not simple and smooth. It wasn't comfortable or natural to watch her try to tap the screen whilst holding up the device. Also, it looks like they transferred a URL in each case. One for YouTube and one for CNET. At the very least it's sloppy reporting on their part to say it was a video.
You make be able to make a case where you want to create a connection to transfer stuff to some anonymous person like some 70's key party but I can't think of s a single time where I wanted to do that. Anonymity means I don't transfer anything with you. Zip, zero, zilch. If we're gonna touch phones you can damn well bet we know each other.
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Android Beam just uses NFC.
Android Beam uses wifi after the NFC connection