How Apple could grow mindshare EXPONENTIALLY

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in General Discussion edited January 2014
Right now Apple has some cool stuff in iPhoto, iTunes and iPod, and iMovie. But realistically, how many Macs are these going to sell? With only 27 stores, not too many. Let's be generous and say Apple could sell 150,000 more Macs this year to Wintel users just because of these apps. 250,000 would be extremely generous and would be about an 0.2% marketshare.



Here's a risky but bold idea to make Apple a HOUSEHOLD NAME and part of mainstream computing. Give away Windows version of iTunes, iMovie, and iPhoto, and sell a version of iPod for Windows which I'm sure they plan to anyway.



Now you might say that Apple is giving away its whole digital hub advantage. But think about how much mindshare and press Apple would get. If iTunes is the coolest and easiest to use jukebox think about 50 MILLION Wintel users using it. Think about 20 MILLION Wintel users using iPhoto because their friends said it was the best choice.



Analysts have said that Apple could sell four times as many iPods if they released it for Windows. Let's take a guess they make $75 profit for each iPod or will soon. I figure that's about $100 million extra profit. They could also come out with an Apple branded camera. iPhoto could have some really cool features added that only work with Apple's camera. And maybe they could do the same thing with an Apple video camera and iMovie.



They would give up a modest amount of immediate sales but the press would be tremendous. They would be in all the PC magazines and the mainstream press. They would win over journalists who had previously been Macphobic. iPod would be hotter than the Rubik's cube. They could become a mainstream brand like Sony. And they would break down the image of Apple as an outsider.



The nag screen to all three apps could be something like "Only Apple makes it this easy. Experience the Mac advantage at an Apple Store near you. " AOL won the battle with Microsoft a few years ago because they went to the extreme to get mindshare by putting CDs everywhere. Apple could do the same to promote itself.
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  • Reply 1 of 28
    torifiletorifile Posts: 4,024member
    Good thoughts, but I've got to disagree (I think we've tangled on this topic before ). Apple needs to keep it's cools stuff Mac only. One, for the pragmatic reason of not having to spend money to get it to work on a completely different OS. Two, because it offers a real, compelling reason for people to switch.



    Case in point. My sister-in-law has family in Egypt. I recently bought our family's first digital camera and she was so excited about how easy it was to make a web page of the photos using iTools (this was before iPhoto) and sending the link to her family so they could see my niece's birthday pictures that same night. The last time I was at home, she was playing with their recently purchased digital camera and I showed her iPhoto. She was floored. It's now even easier to do the thing that made her fall in love with a digital camera. She asked, "Is this program only on an iMac (meaning a Mac)?" And I said yes. She said, "so there's better software for Macs?" And I said yes (bending the truth a little, but thought the irony of the situation allowed it ). About 10 minutes later my brother (who has the money) was asking me how much he could get an iBook for. This is from a devoted PC user. The cool stuff should just be for us and we need to expose the unwashed masses to what's available only if they use a Mac.
  • Reply 2 of 28
    depending on how easy vs hard it would be to port iTunes, iPhoto and iMovies to windows (maybe not iMovies...too big)....apple could make it 30 day demo software (like MS is doing with Office v.X)....after thirty days the software goes away and says....



    the new digital hub, only from Apple,

    30 days ease of use on a Wintel machine, forever and a day ease of use on a Mac...Apple, giving you a reason to switch....



    g
  • Reply 3 of 28
    ... or better still, Apple could release a Quicktime player for Windoze as well, and put heaps of cool clips on apple.com for the windroids to download!!!!

  • Reply 4 of 28
    Apple is growing it's market share exponentially. The problem is that the exponent is <1.



    --Mike
  • Reply 5 of 28
    matsumatsu Posts: 6,558member
    There is only one way.



    They have to get their asses raped in China. Huge market, few computers. A cheap computer in that market, with a healthy dollop of piracy on both the hardware and software fronts and they could find themselves with a lot of new users in a very short time. Perhaps they could license their hardware technology for exclusive Chinese market production (as some of the car makers do) Something outdated enough to offer no real threat to sales outside of China. Something cheap enough to get a lot of users on X and on the net. The Chinese produce the things and sell them, Apple licenses them a MoBo and OSX. The Chinese will abuse the license, but who cares. As time goes by, and they increase in affluence, Apple starts revising its relationship till eventually they're selling full-fledged (Apple produced) Macs to a very large installed base.



    China. It's the only tech/internet frontier still out there with a big enough potential market and enough of a prospect for wealth to give somebody *exponential growth* in the next 10-20 years.
  • Reply 6 of 28
    eat@meeat@me Posts: 321member
    [quote]Originally posted by Matsu:

    <strong>There is only one way.



    They have to get their asses raped in China. Huge market, few computers. A cheap computer in that market, with a healthy dollop of piracy on both the hardware and software fronts and they could find themselves with a lot of new users in a very short time. Perhaps they could license their hardware technology for exclusive Chinese market production (as some of the car makers do) Something outdated enough to offer no real threat to sales outside of China. Something cheap enough to get a lot of users on X and on the net. The Chinese produce the things and sell them, Apple licenses them a MoBo and OSX. The Chinese will abuse the license, but who cares. As time goes by, and they increase in affluence, Apple starts revising its relationship till eventually they're selling full-fledged (Apple produced) Macs to a very large installed base.



    China. It's the only tech/internet frontier still out there with a big enough potential market and enough of a prospect for wealth to give somebody *exponential growth* in the next 10-20 years.</strong><hr></blockquote>



    Regarding China, Micro$oft Bill Gates always said, "You sell one copy and there goes the market". China does not respect intellectual property, they *want* to be the economic engine of the future and they have all of SE Asia and Japan worried. I doubt that their entry into the WTC will really change anything besides the 1 off event of steam rollers running over pirated cd's, watches, dvd's etc. Multiple Napster by 1 BILLION people and you have China.
  • Reply 7 of 28
    imacfpimacfp Posts: 750member
    The problem is Apple makes all its money from hardware sales and the iApps are just hooks to get users. I do think the iPod or any future iProducts should be PC too, but the iApps must stay Mac only. But the iPods would give people a taste of Apple that might make them consider buying a Mac. Apple really needs to be in people's faces and show clearly how good they are.
  • Reply 8 of 28
    matsumatsu Posts: 6,558member
    Piracy, rampant piracy, is the engine of platform growth. Apple ain't selling squat in China as it is. The model I propose would work. Just like you can buy an outdated (rebadged) Buick as a luxury car in China right now, you could offer some outdated (for the west) 3rd party built macs. They won't sell outside of China, except maybe to wealthy Indians and the odd N.Korean. Apple need put in very little of it's own money. So even if they sell comparatively few licenses they still get the things a big growing enthusiast installed base brings. Not the least of which is ***Mindshare*** in what will be the biggest market of the 21st century, but also software development, very tight/efficient code (because they'll for the most part be trying to squeeze performance out of (nearly) outdated equipment. Initially, someone -- not Apple -- is going to make a lot of money on this scheme. But as the market grows and Chinese copyright/patent protection stabilizes, Apple can move into a receptive market at very little cost. You ride the wave into a first world economy but let the somewhat shady pirates set you up first. Nobody really loses.



    Even the damage to developers is minimized since there'll be little cross talk from a Chinese language app made for a (slow/old) system to western language stuff running on 'state of the art' hardware. If they come up with anything especially fast/efficient, well, then that represents an opportunity to bring good code to a western market that'll pay for it.
  • Reply 9 of 28
    noahjnoahj Posts: 4,503member
    iTunes would not make such a big splash on the PC side as they already have MP3 players that do everything that iTunes does on the mac. They may not be as nice, but they do the same things. iPhoto would do relatively well. iMovie would probably clean up. iDVD would rock the house. The only way this would work right though is if apple SOLD those apps for the PC market and kept them free on a Mac. iMovie, 49.95 for the PC or free with a Mac. iDVD 59.95 on a PC or FREE with a mac. iPhoto, 39.95 on a PC or FREE with a Mac. With a 30 day try before you buy type deal. Oh, and they should make Quicktime Pro free for the Mac users as well and keep it pay on the PC side. Another reason to switch. iTunes would only be sold to a PC user with an iPod, or free on a Mac.



    Apple makes money on the deal, and PC users who like iPhoto, iTunes, iMovie, Quicktime Pro and iDVD have ~$200.00 worth of reasons to switch to the Mac. And they would all of course work better and be better integrated on the Macintosh.



    That is the only way I would see Apple being able to port them to the PC, and even that is not too likely.
  • Reply 10 of 28
    bogiebogie Posts: 407member
    From the number estimates to the general concept, dumbest thing I have heard since "Apple should license clones."
  • Reply 11 of 28
    noahjnoahj Posts: 4,503member
    [quote]Originally posted by Bogie:

    <strong>From the number estimates to the general concept, dumbest thing I have heard since "Apple should license clones."</strong><hr></blockquote>



    Are you speaking of my post or MATSU's? <img src="confused.gif" border="0">
  • Reply 12 of 28
    emaneman Posts: 7,204member
    [quote]Originally posted by thegelding:

    <strong>depending on how easy vs hard it would be to port iTunes, iPhoto and iMovies to windows (maybe not iMovies...too big)....apple could make it 30 day demo software (like MS is doing with Office v.X)....after thirty days the software goes away and says....



    the new digital hub, only from Apple,

    30 days ease of use on a Wintel machine, forever and a day ease of use on a Mac...Apple, giving you a reason to switch....



    g</strong><hr></blockquote>



    I was thinking that too. I think that Apple really should think about doing that, at least get Windows users to try it out and see if it's worth getting a Mac.
  • Reply 13 of 28
    eugeneeugene Posts: 8,254member
    [quote]With only 27 stores, not too many. Let's be generous and say Apple could sell 150,000 more Macs this year to Wintel users just because of these apps. 250,000 would be extremely generous and would be about an 0.2% marketshare.<hr></blockquote>



    How many Macs do you think an Apple Store sells a day? Multiple that by approximately the number of days in a year, and then the number stores...and special events that drive up sales. Now what about the addition of Amazon.com as an Apple online reseller? Don't count out significant gains, especially if PC sales in comparison fall flat. Marketshare isn't vs a set value, it's vs the rest of the industry.



    [quote]Give away Windows version of iTunes, iMovie, and iPhoto, and sell a version of iPod for Windows which I'm sure they plan to anyway.<hr></blockquote>



    The iPod bit is so blatantly obvious. "A version" of the iPod? it would be the exact same iPod, my friend.



    [quote]If iTunes is the coolest and easiest to use jukebox think about 50 MILLION Wintel users using it. Think about 20 MILLION Wintel users using iPhoto because their friends said it was the best choice.<hr></blockquote>



    The Apple brand-name is a stigma in the Windows world. See QuickTime. iTunes and iPhoto are free...it would be a blunder to offer these to users without necessitating a switchover.



    [quote]Analysts have said that Apple could sell four times as many iPods if they released it for Windows. Let's take a guess they make $75 profit for each iPod or will soon. I figure that's about $100 million extra profit. They could also come out with an Apple branded camera. iPhoto could have some really cool features added that only work with Apple's camera. And maybe they could do the same thing with an Apple video camera and iMovie.<hr></blockquote>



    I bet you Apple makes less than $75 for each iPod. Sure, they could add basic Windows compatible drivers for the iPod, and a yet-unreleased iCam, but it would have to be severely crippled...That's fine.



    [quote]They would give up a modest amount of immediate sales but the press would be tremendous. They would be in all the PC magazines and the mainstream press. They would win over journalists who had previously been Macphobic. iPod would be hotter than the Rubik's cube. They could become a mainstream brand like Sony. And they would break down the image of Apple as an outsider.<hr></blockquote>



    tremendous press alright...

    "Apple develops Windows versions of software in desperation."

    "No reason to buy Apple hardware."



    Appl *is* a mainstream brand like Sony. You ask people to name some computer companies and Apple will be on that list.



    [quote]The nag screen to all three apps could be something like "Only Apple makes it this easy. Experience the Mac advantage at an Apple Store near you. " AOL won the battle with Microsoft a few years ago because they went to the extreme to get mindshare by putting CDs everywhere. Apple could do the same to promote itself.<hr></blockquote>



    Nag screens drive people to hack or patch software, not buy it. People will associate Apple with nagware. That is not good. Slow but steady won't win this race, but it won't keep Apple left in the dust. Gateway and other PC companies tried to burst onto the scene, and look what happened. Apple needs to take things in stride...



    Slow and steady, but influential.
  • Reply 14 of 28
    macaddictmacaddict Posts: 1,055member
    How about just make stuff for the PC, but rip off PC users? i.e. Make iPhoto and iTunes, iMovie et al for the PC, but charge $20 (maybe $50 for iMovie). Switch software envy around!



    Or strip them down, include nice Mac only features, etc for the Mac versions.



    Come on, they did it to us! Let's give it right back (like having to pay over $200 for some half assed video card).
  • Reply 15 of 28
    cdhostagecdhostage Posts: 1,038member
    I agree with some of thee people in this thread. Apple should make software or endorse the creator of software that allows you to suse a n iPod with a PC.



    Lots of market space there -0 it's an excellent MP3 player. You could sell it in music stores.
  • Reply 16 of 28
    Getting your new computer on the cover of Time magazine is a good start at getting people to stand up and take some notice..er sit down and take notice.
  • Reply 17 of 28
    buonrottobuonrotto Posts: 6,368member
    Nope. Not gonna work. People would just take the stuff and keep their PCs. People are takers.
  • Reply 18 of 28
    emaneman Posts: 7,204member
    [quote]Originally posted by Macintosh:

    <strong>Getting your new computer on the cover of Time magazine is a good start at getting people to stand up and take some notice..er sit down and take notice. </strong><hr></blockquote>



    Yeah, but not quite enough.
  • Reply 19 of 28
    xmogerxmoger Posts: 242member
    [quote]Nope. Not gonna work. People would just take the stuff and keep their PCs. People are takers. <hr></blockquote>

    Exactly.



    Stay with windows

    Drop $50-100,

    get all the significant software unique to mac's,

    keep your machine, peripherals, and software,

    go merrily on your way.



    Switch platforms

    Drop $800,

    get the slowest old imac,

    buy new software & some new peripherals,

    probably buy virtualPC and use for a while at least,

    learn a new OS, where to buy software, does your company's software work with a mac, etc.

    Now you're back up to speed.



    Hell for the same price they could buy a digital camcorder and dvd burner. What do you think most people will do?
  • Reply 20 of 28
    The foundations of increasing Apple's marketshare is in our computers already. All I can say is Mac OS X. Mac OS X is very new, 10 months since its release, and in a couple of years I think that we will see more UNIX developers and more UNIX Workstations running Mac OS X. I don't know how much marketshare UNIX has in the workplace, but I think it will be a matter of time before that marketshare comes over to Apple.



    Apple could port the iPod, which would be a very good idea, and that would get an Apple product into the hands of people which would otherwise not look at a Mac. The Apple Stores are also a very good way to increase Marketshare. Yet again, someone who would not see a Mac would see it in their local mall and may purchase one.



    Another thing is that many PC users may not buy a Mac because they fall into the Mhz Myth. Apple can simply address this problem by stating what the Power PC's equivalence is to the P4. For example, Apple can state on all their products and force Comp USA, etc to have a sign that reads, "867 Mhz Power PC G4 (equivalent to a 1.7 Ghz P4)" If a PC user saw this, they may think twice about buying a Mac. Apple also needs to address this in some sort of advertisement as they sort of did with the famous "Snail Ad."



    Other than that, I think that Apple is heading in the right direction for increasing their marketshare. :cool:
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