[quote]last update I believe is 1.3 released with 8.6/9 or so<hr></blockquote>
Try to find that version on the Apple website.
Cipher13 is one of the MacNN personalities I despise the most. By quoting him, you are hurting your argument, as far as I cam concerned.
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isn't that just life?
you buy a computer and all is well, and pretty soon, time passes and your computer is old, and all of a sudden, new software isn't going to work too well.
damn! maybe we should all sue adobe. and macromedia. and quark. and every other software manufacturer.
someone needs to get a life.
<strong>isn't that just life?
you buy a computer and all is well, and pretty soon, time passes and your computer is old, and all of a sudden, new software isn't going to work too well.
damn! maybe we should all sue adobe. and macromedia. and quark. and every other software manufacturer.
someone needs to get a life. </strong><hr></blockquote>
No way! Every computer comes with a lifetime guarantee that it will never be obsolete, and will always run the latest applications and connect to the latest peripherals!
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isn't that just life?
you buy a computer and all is well, and pretty soon, time passes and your computer is old, and all of a sudden, new software isn't going to work too well.
damn! maybe we should all sue adobe. and macromedia. and quark. and every other software manufacturer.
someone needs to get a life.</strong><hr></blockquote>
You're missing the point. It's not a simple case of obsolescence. These people bought new computers with the expectation -- based on Apple's assurances -- that OS X would be <a href="http://www.apple.com/pr/library/1998/may/11strategy.html"; target="_blank">fully optimized</a> to run on them (note that at the time OS X was believed to be coming in fall 1999).
OS X comes out, and it runs on their computers, but it's crippled for video and games because of the video drivers.
I'd be pissed too. And frankly, if Apple can't/won't get complete OS X drivers for their video cards, then yeah, I think these people are due a few bucks or some free software or whatever they can get in a settlement.
Heck, Apple settled that lawsuit over having to buy OS 9 to get OS 8.6's DVD Player software to work properly. If that had a shot I'd say this has a shot.
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What a bunch of whiners he's representing.
I like the part where part of the damages sought are refunds for the G3s, as if they suddenly collapsed into a pile of sand the moment OS X was released.
*cough* Rule 12(b)(6) motion *cough*
I clearly said that I was getting it to run Mac OS X when it came out in fall 1999.
Well fall 1999 comes and goes, and then I get the Public beta which installed on the third reboot (the CD booted rather), and all installs have run flawlessly since.
Well I can tell you Mac OS X isn't fast. sometimes it can be unexecptable for speed. 10.1 did improve preformance, but when I boot back into Mac OS 9.2.2, my computer is alot faster.
When I got the computer on June 3, 1998, my mom said it had to last 3 years. At that time, I was upgrading every 12 months (PC) and then 18 months for my first and present Mac (December 3, 1996, June 3, 1998). and Sept 94, Dec 95, for the PC. (got my first used PC Aug 92).
I did a RAM Upgrade from 160MB to 416MB in July 2001 and also a 7200RPM 60GB Maxtor a few days earlier. I did a USB/Firewire PCI in March which was OK by me (OrangeMicro). the 4MB Vram upgrade to my ATI Rage II+ failed @that time (and my palm got fried by there USB Connect kit).
and in December I added a Radeon PCI which has helped some (millions of color), but the OS is still sluggish (and getting worse due to defragmentation or something (clean install October). Apple needs to dump as much as possible of Quartz onto the VIdeo card instead of the CPU. This will improve the preformance of Mac OS X. I won't beable to afford my half towards a new PowerMac until July 2003. I am disabled and am unable to work, but use my computer heavily each day (12+ hours). even my moms iMac DV SE 99 (bought Appril 1 2000) is sluggish in X with 128MB RAM)
Apple just decided it would be less costly to fight them and have them get their wish, which was basically a free upgrade to whichever version of Mac OS for certain iMac model affected.
This guy is saying Apple didn't optimize OS X for the G3 because the DVD Player doesnt work?
[quote]G3 users migrating from Mac OS 9 to Mac OS X have discovered that they've lost features like DVD playback, support for hardware graphics acceleration using OpenGL and hardware-accelerated QuickTime movie playback.<hr></blockquote>
DVD playback was an issue before OS X. My iMac couldn't play Quake III Arena in 1999, again not OS X's or OS 9's fault. Hardware accelerated QT ihas always been in Rage 128 and later cards...wtf. None of these problems are unique to OS X...this is why his case is invalid.
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Also, they are wrong about the lack of support for ATI graphics chips:
<a href="http://www.thinksecret.com/features/atimacosx.html"; target="_blank">http://www.thinksecret.com/features/atimacosx.html</a>;
ATI is going to write OS X drivers for these old ATI chips, so the G3 owners can quit their whining. But even if they didn't, these whiners forget that OS X DOES run on their computers, the only problem is that it doesn't run as well as it does on newer Macs.
And since the B&W G3 owners can go and buy PCI Radeons for their towers, the only people affected are owners of old iMacs, powerbooks, and some iBooks. But you know the funny thing is, the GPUs and CPUs on these computers are so damn slow that even if OS X had support for their video cards, OS X would be dog-slow anyways! OS X is simply not usable on a G3 under 400 MHz, I've tried it and it's painfully slow. Yeah it would be nice if it ran fine, but I'd rather get an OS with advanced technologies that will still be advanced 5-10 years from now, instead of getting an OS that's optimized for Macs Apple sold 4-5 years ago.
I think these people should either run OS 9 (funny, how their computers came loaded with OS 8 and yet they were able to run OS 9, but that's not enough for them), or if they can't deal with OS 9, they should buy new Macs. They knew full well when they bought their Macs that they were not upgradable, so now is not the time to whine. And like I said, B&W tower owners can upgrade their video cards if they want to run OS X.
<strong>And what a great way to ensure that the company that doesnt support his computer will do so in the future. I have an idea, instead of asking nicely for support lets sue their asses and put them outta business, wait, then they still cant support us.
jackass. we have asked nicely, we have begged, we have screamed. apple is the good feel pro customer BS you think they are. wake up. Apple had this coming. and if tradition continues, this guy will win and apple will give in
<strong>What a pathetic lawsuit. These G3 computers are several years old, and yet these people expect them to run OS X optimally? That's absurd.
Also, they are wrong about the lack of support for ATI graphics chips:
<a href="http://www.thinksecret.com/features/atimacosx.html"; target="_blank">http://www.thinksecret.com/features/atimacosx.html</a>.</strong><hr></blockquote>;
iBooks affected are a little over 1.5 years old. hardly several years
yea, quote a rumor site to dismiss a lawsuit. you'll do great in law
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jackass. we have asked nicely, we have begged, we have screamed. apple is the good feel pro customer BS you think they are. wake up. Apple had this coming. and if tradition continues, this guy will win and apple will give in</strong><hr></blockquote>
Applenut, can you quit it with the personal attacks? You can disagree with someone all you want, but there's no need for name calling. Argue your point to you're red in the face but calling someone a "jackass" does nothing to get your point across.
Umm, no offence bro... but are you like having a midlife crisis/period? You've been HARSHER than usual these last couple of weeks...
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