Amazon takes on Square, PayPal with new iOS-connected 'Local Register' card reader

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in iPhone edited August 2014
Online retail giant Amazon on Wednesday unveiled Local Register, a new mobile credit card reader and companion app-based payment processing system that allows users to accept plastic payments on their iPhone or iPad.




Amazon's new system works much like its more established competitors -- users attach a small, plastic card reader to the headphone jack of their handset or tablet that converts input from a credit card's magnetic stripe to audio waveforms. A companion application then interprets the reader's input and handles communication with Amazon's processing backend.

Rather than offer the reader for free as Square, PayPal, and Intuit do, however, Amazon will charge users $10 up front and credit that amount back in processing fees. The company will also charge just 1.75 percent of each transaction through the end of 2015, increasing the fee to 2.5 percent afterwards.

Square and PayPal charge 2.75 percent and 2.7 percent, respectively. Intuit's GoPayment charges 1.75 percent for subscribers, but 2.4 percent for users on pay-as-you-go plans.

Amazon promises to deposit funds into users' bank accounts the next business day following a transaction, and they will be made available for purchases on Amazon's website "within minutes." The program is limited to businesses based in the U.S. to start.
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  • Reply 1 of 42
    SpamSandwichSpamSandwich Posts: 33,407member
    That device is huge! Can't they make a more sensibly sized attachment?
  • Reply 2 of 42
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    Originally Posted by SpamSandwich View Post



    That device is huge! Can't they make a more sensibly sized attachment?

    Have to keep it large enough for everyone to see who you're working with. ;)

  • Reply 3 of 42
    freerangefreerange Posts: 1,597member
    When are investors going to wake up to the insanity of this company? They don't make money, yet they want everyone else to give up their margin so they don't have to raise their prices. They are now in their own branded hardware business which loses money. They are in far too many businesses with no particular focus on profitability on any of them. And they now want retailers to use Amazon hardware and software for payments. Meanwhile Amazon is taking their customers through online sales, and losing money in doing so. Amazon is also putting tools in those retailers' customers' hands which allow the shopper to point their Amazon device's camera at the retailer's instore merchandise, then automatically and instantly find it on Amazon instead so the customer can order it cheaper. How else can you describe insanity? What retailer would want to feed their competitor's machine?
  • Reply 4 of 42
    The company that claims to be the "Everything Store" is following through on that vision. What they will soon realize is that they are following in the footsteps of Sears. What they will learn is that trying to do everything will eventually mean they will do nothing very well.
  • Reply 5 of 42
    SpamSandwichSpamSandwich Posts: 33,407member
    freerange wrote: »
    When are investors going to wake up to the insanity of this company? They don't make money, yet they want everyone else to give up their margin so they don't have to raise their prices. They are now in their own branded hardware business which loses money. They are in far too many businesses with no particular focus on profitability on any of them. And they now want retailers to use Amazon hardware and software for payments. Meanwhile Amazon is taking their customers through online sales, and losing money in doing so. Amazon is also putting tools in those retailers' customers' hands which allow the shopper to point their Amazon device's camera at their instore merchandise, then automatically and instantly find it on Amazon so they can order it cheaper. How else can you describe insanity? What retailer would want to feed their competitor's machine?

    It looks to me like Amazon is looking less competitive on their pricing recently. I compared items in Target versus Anazon and CVS and found Amazon and CVS way, way overpriced on some shaving products. Gotta give it to Target.
  • Reply 6 of 42
    sector7gsector7g Posts: 156member
    if i see some one using a mobile payment device and its an android ill just pay cash
  • Reply 7 of 42
    mazda 3smazda 3s Posts: 1,613member

    What's funny is that it doesn't even support their new Fire phone. I'm surprised that AI didn't take the time to poke fun at that :)

     

  • Reply 8 of 42
    rogifanrogifan Posts: 10,669member
    Is there anybody that Amazon isn't trying to put out of business?
  • Reply 9 of 42
    john.bjohn.b Posts: 2,742member

    Does it come with a built-in hardball negotiation feature?  <img class=" src="http://forums-files.appleinsider.com/images/smilies//lol.gif" />

  • Reply 11 of 42
    How crazy; brick and mortar retailers entering their sales data for Amazon to later analyze to see where they should focus next.
  • Reply 12 of 42
    j72jjj72jj Posts: 2member
    They are ruining the existing market again by slashing the price. They can probably recuperate the loss by contributing the overhead from other divisions, but at the end of the day everyone will die. Not a good move.
  • Reply 13 of 42
    Screw Amazon.
  • Reply 14 of 42
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    Originally Posted by FreeRange View Post



    When are investors going to wake up to the insanity of this company? They don't make money, yet they want everyone else to give up their margin so they don't have to raise their prices. They are now in their own branded hardware business which loses money. They are in far too many businesses with no particular focus on profitability on any of them. And they now want retailers to use Amazon hardware and software for payments. Meanwhile Amazon is taking their customers through online sales, and losing money in doing so. Amazon is also putting tools in those retailers' customers' hands which allow the shopper to point their Amazon device's camera at the retailer's instore merchandise, then automatically and instantly find it on Amazon instead so the customer can order it cheaper. How else can you describe insanity? What retailer would want to feed their competitor's machine?



     

    Follow your Grocery and retail companies.  They have little margin.  Amazon is purporting to take them over, and eliminate a huge amount of overhead, thus have a greater margin and a huge growth of market.  Hence the huge P/E.   Apple's P/E is low because there is no way their margins can increase, and 'no way' their market can increase without lowering margins.   

     

    Amazon will shrink a little in P/E because the market is now coming to realize that to take over everything in the fulfillment side is like building out  a railroad.  Huge capex up front, with little return, and then suddenly, you are the market. (until the interstate is built, but Amazon appears to be be making sure they control Gov'ts to ensure the competition is 'fair.')

     

    A retailer who looks at a 1-3% per transaction savings up front will take it from a formless competitor.   This is not like buying shovels from the guy across the street.    It's like sharing the same accountant, and splitting the cost, and firing yours.  If they survive the year, and that 3% (of a million in sales... 30,000), well that's the mortgage costs for a small business man.  Next year is a new set of problems, but I got to survive this year, so make the deal with the devil.

     

    Originally Posted by Rogifan View Post



    Is there anybody that Amazon isn't trying to put out of business?

     

    No.  

     

    Amazon is quite possibly the most 'take over the retail world' minded company.  Investor's love(d) them as they continue to increase marketshare.  Profits are plowed into infrastructure and further land grabs.   It's a long game... that only they and Apple play well.   Google is too scatter brained in their efforts, like a college research lab.

     

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    How crazy; brick and mortar retailers entering their sales data for Amazon to later analyze to see where they should focus next.

     

    Dell gave their business the away to ASUS in the same manner.   

    Most small business think 6 mo - 1 year in advance, but never change their strategy, or optimize for the current, not the future.  And old school econ was you hired accountants to do your books, shippers to ship, outsource assembly, get NCR or whomever in to setup your PoSale. and tie it to your Inventory system (set up by someone else) And you manage your market.   Now your PoSale on the internet is a Big Data Analytics guru.

    Oops.

     

    Walmart did the same, but not to it's competitors... to it's suppliers.  MSRP became WSRP, based on Walmart's analytics.

     

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    The company that claims to be the "Everything Store" is following through on that vision. What they will soon realize is that they are following in the footsteps of Sears. What they will learn is that trying to do everything will eventually mean they will do nothing very well.

     

    Amazon is less Sears and more the Old Nieman Marcus/Dayton-Hudson model.   Amazon isn't trying to Kroger you into buying their brand (save for endpoint devices, but that is purely a defensive stand against google and Apple), Amazon is trying to delight you with instant gratification (1 click buy, 2 day ship, reasonable assurance the price is 'okay').

     

    Amazon's model is 'fulfillment'  Quality of product is exposed to the retailer/maker.   Amazon's is like the old department/grocery stores.  A one stop shop, 'frictionless buying,' guaranteed delivery, a set pricing model, discounts to worthy patrons, and vicious competition for counter space. 

    This ain't Kenmore slapped on a GE washer, or Craftsman slapped on a Simplicity Mower.   You're buying the GE washer, THROUGH Amazon, not FROM Amazon.  And Amazon lets you know what everyone thinks about that GE washer.

     

    Similar to Apple in their ITMS/App Store model.   All apple/amazon wants is their cut of the deal.   2-30% of every transaction done everywhere.

    2% of the worldwide GDP.... big number.  Even split 3 ways;-).

     

    It's Visa/Amex model... make the transaction happen, and get the money from the merchant, and if you can get some money from the buyer (Apple iTunes Match, iCloud, Amazon Prime).

     

    So those complaining about amazon, should look at Apple In-App purchases and App Store limits and compare and contrast to Amazon.

    They are more similar than different.

     

     

    As I've been spouting all along   Apple and Amazon want to be the bank.   Apple is trying selling experience to the high end, Amazon to the people who need instant physical gratification.   But in the end, they want 2% of everything you buy and sell.  That's the end game.  

  • Reply 15 of 42
    maestro64maestro64 Posts: 5,043member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Apple Believer View Post



    How crazy; brick and mortar retailers entering their sales data for Amazon to later analyze to see where they should focus next.

    bingo give that kid a prize... That is what I was think why on earth would you give your competitor insight into the business you are doing. I do not understand why companies set up store fronts with Amazon, they see all the business you are doing and if you doing well they are going to jump in and take it away from you.

  • Reply 16 of 42
    I can't believe all these devices rely on the mag stripe and apparently don't support chip technology. Everyone who gets one of these is going to have to replace them with chip readers soon.
  • Reply 17 of 42
    maestro64maestro64 Posts: 5,043member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by TheOtherGeoff View Post

     

     

    Amazon is less Sears and more the Old Nieman Marcus/Dayton-Hudson model.   Amazon isn't trying to Kroger you into buying their brand (save for endpoint devices, but that is purely a defensive stand against google and Apple), Amazon is trying to delight you with instant gratification (1 click buy, 2 day ship, reasonable assurance the price is 'okay').

     

    Amazon's model is 'fulfillment'  Quality of product is exposed to the retailer/maker.   Amazon's is like the old department/grocery stores.  A one stop shop, 'frictionless buying,' guaranteed delivery, a set pricing model, discounts to worthy patrons, and vicious competition for counter space. 

    This ain't Kenmore slapped on a GE washer, or Craftsman slapped on a Simplicity Mower.   You're buying the GE washer, THROUGH Amazon, not FROM Amazon.  And Amazon lets you know what everyone thinks about that GE washer.

     

    Similar to Apple in their ITMS/App Store model.   All apple/amazon wants is their cut of the deal.   2-30% of every transaction done everywhere.

    2% of the worldwide GDP.... big number.  Even split 3 ways;-).

     

    It's Visa/Amex model... make the transaction happen, and get the money from the merchant, and if you can get some money from the buyer (Apple iTunes Match, iCloud, Amazon Prime).

     

    So those complaining about amazon, should look at Apple In-App purchases and App Store limits and compare and contrast to Amazon.

    They are more similar than different.

     

     

    As I've been spouting all along   Apple and Amazon want to be the bank.   Apple is trying selling experience to the high end, Amazon to the people who need instant physical gratification.   But in the end, they want 2% of everything you buy and sell.  That's the end game.  


     

     

    This is correct, Amazon is using an old saying do you want earn 100% of your own effort or 1% of 100 people's efforts. the smart person will tell you the 1% of 100 is more efficient since you never preform at 100% all the time it will more more like 50% most of the time.

  • Reply 18 of 42
    gatorguygatorguy Posts: 24,213member
    sector7g wrote: »
    if i see some one using a mobile payment device and its an android ill just pay cash

    ...and the seller will appreciate the cash too. There's no discount rate to pay.
  • Reply 19 of 42
    gatorguygatorguy Posts: 24,213member
    bryand wrote: »
    I can't believe all these devices rely on the mag stripe and apparently don't support chip technology. Everyone who gets one of these is going to have to replace them with chip readers soon.

    The newest announced Square readers support both. Perhaps Amazon's will too once EMV card tech becomes common in the US, which is still a ways off.
  • Reply 20 of 42
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    Originally Posted by Gatorguy View Post



    ...and the seller will appreciate the cash too. There's no discount rate to pay.

     


    but if i dont have enough cash on me, he wont appreciate not geting the sale, since i wouldnt trust an android phone with that type of data.
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