Rumor: TSMC, Apple working on 16nm FinFET process for 'A9' chips

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in iPhone edited August 2014
A Monday morning report from the Republic of China indicated that Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Company is in the process of accelerating the rollout of its new 16-nanometer FinFET fabrication process in a possible bid to wrest control of Apple's A9 manufacturing from rival chipmakers.

Apple's A7 SoC is manufactured by Samsung and powers the iPhone 5s, Retina iPad mini and iPad Air.
Source: iFixit


The report, from the Chinese-language Economic Daily News, directly contradicts earlier whispers that Samsung had won Apple's orders for the A9. Samsung's next-generation process moves the needle to 14 nanometers.

TSMC is said to be in the midst of capacity planning that would see the firm churn out some 50,000 wafers each month. It is unclear what wafer size the plant would use in production, though its current 16-nanometer test lines utilize 12-inch wafers.

Apple and TSMC have long worked together to produce smaller parts?-- the Taiwanese company produces the silicon for the iPhone 5s's Touch ID sensors, for instance --?but the production of more important components, like Apple's A-series chips, has been left to Samsung. Tensions between Apple and its South Korean competitor are believed to have given TSMC a boost, however, with the latter reportedly beginning shipments of chips destined for the so-called "iPhone 6" in early July.

The world's other major chip foundries, including Intel and former AMD subsidiary GlobalFoundries, are also thought to be chasing Apple's business. Thanks to its push into custom silicon and the massive popularity of the iPhone and iPad, Apple is now one of the largest fabrication customers on earth.
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  • Reply 1 of 31
    A9 rumors already!
  • Reply 2 of 31
    "The Republic of China"...also previously repeatedly called "the Far East"?

    Is it that difficult to just write "China" or give the specific city? So much fluff and story padding is just juvenile.
  • Reply 3 of 31
    shogunshogun Posts: 362member
    AI, here's a little tip on good article writing: when you put an obscure term in the headline, define it in the article. FinFET = ???
  • Reply 4 of 31
    A9 rumors already!

    I've long thought Apple took something like two years (or more) to make new iOS devices (start to finish), so their product pipeline is 24 months deep. Products exiting this pipeline today entered it back in 2012.
  • Reply 5 of 31
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    Originally Posted by SpamSandwich View Post



    "The Republic of China"...also previously repeatedly called "the Far East"?



    Is it that difficult to just write "China" or give the specific city? So much fluff and story padding is just juvenile.



    RoC = Taiwan.

     

    People's Republic of China = mainland China

  • Reply 6 of 31
    SpamSandwichSpamSandwich Posts: 33,407member
    fly75 wrote: »

    RoC = Taiwan.

    People's Republic of China = mainland China

    I think the Taiwanese people would take issue with any suggestion they are a part of China.
  • Reply 7 of 31
    I've long thought Apple took something like two years (or more) to make new iOS devices (start to finish), so their product pipeline is 24 months deep. Products exiting this pipeline today entered it back in 2012.
    For sure. Which is why we are assured to have 6S rumors the week after the 6 comes out.
  • Reply 8 of 31
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    Originally Posted by SpamSandwich View Post



    "The Republic of China"...also previously repeatedly called "the Far East"?



    Is it that difficult to just write "China" or give the specific city? So much fluff and story padding is just juvenile.



    What are you talking about? The term "the Far East" was not used in this story even once.

     

    Also, I seriously doubt more than a minuscule minority of the readers here would recognize the name of the city where TSMC is headquartered, so that would actually hurt the readability of the article. 

     

    What's juvenile is your complaining.

  • Reply 9 of 31
    flaneurflaneur Posts: 4,526member
    I think the Taiwanese people would take issue with any suggestion they are a part of China.

    Are you going to argue* with the official self-proclaimed name of the country now?

    *Very hard to reason with Honarable Westerner when he only use left side of brain.
  • Reply 11 of 31
    flaneurflaneur Posts: 4,526member
    sessamoid wrote: »

    What are you talking about? The term "the Far East" was not used in this story even once.

    Also, I seriously doubt more than a minuscule minority of the readers here would recognize the name of the city where TSMC is headquartered, so that would actually hurt the readability of the article. 

    What's juvenile is your complaining.

    AI just can't win. Several people complained about their standard naming of "sources in the Far East," so they recently switched to "Republic of China" for Taiwan. Of course they were assuming a knowledge of history and political geography among the readership, or maybe it was a matter of "ok, we'll show you, you nitpickers . . . "

    Does anyone in the West still use "ROC" instead of "Taiwan"?
  • Reply 12 of 31
    flaneur wrote: »
    Does anyone in the West still use "ROC" instead of "Taiwan"?

    Yes, of course they do. That's the name of the country. Has been since 1911. Since 1949, its control has been reduced to just Taiwan (and a few smaller islands like Quemoy and Matsu), but it's still the Republic of China.
  • Reply 13 of 31
    The world's other major chip foundries, including Intel and former AMD subsidiary GlobalFoundries, are also thought to be chasing Apple's business. Thanks to its push into custom silicon and the massive popularity of the iPhone and iPad, Apple is now one of the largest fabrication customers on earth.

    Apple is now one of the largest fabrication customers on earth.

    God, that has such a nice ring to it! Music to my Apple-fan ears....
  • Reply 14 of 31
    gatorguygatorguy Posts: 24,213member
    Apple is now one of the largest fabrication customers on earth.

    God, that has such a nice ring to it! Music to my Apple-fan ears....
    Yeah, those under-dog days are absolutely in the past, Now when Apple comes knockin. . .
  • Reply 15 of 31
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    I think the Taiwanese people would take issue with any suggestion they are a part of China.



    It's part of the official name of Taiwan in both English and Chinese. Some people in Taiwan wants to change that but not all.

  • Reply 16 of 31
    nhtnht Posts: 4,522member
    Quote:



    Originally Posted by SpamSandwich View Post



    "The Republic of China"...also previously repeatedly called "the Far East"?



    Is it that difficult to just write "China" or give the specific city? So much fluff and story padding is just juvenile.

     

    Because there are two Chinas.  This should be obvious to anyone why a distinction needs to be made.  Writing Republic of China is no more verbose than writing South Korea.

     

    And "far east" is more or less fine as well since some of their (prior) sources may not have been Taiwanese ones but Korean or Japanese sources.

     

    For example this story about iPhone 6 shortages in the Taipei Times came via Reuters Tokyo since it also addresses Japanese suppliers:

     

    http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/biz/archives/2014/08/24/2003598102/1

  • Reply 17 of 31
    nhtnht Posts: 4,522member
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    Originally Posted by TheElectricChairRepairman View Post

     

    It's part of the official name of Taiwan in both English and Chinese. Some people in Taiwan wants to change that but not all.


     

    Given they voted in the KMT it appears that most people don't want to change that.  2016 folks will see if that changes.

  • Reply 18 of 31
    fly75fly75 Posts: 6member
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    Originally Posted by SpamSandwich View Post





    I think the Taiwanese people would take issue with any suggestion they are a part of China.



    Didn't say they were.

     

    You asked why "China" wasn't used in the article rather than "Republic of China". Certainly would have been less confusing for you if "Taiwan" was used instead of "Republic of China".

     

    Most people associate China with the communist state located on the Asian mainland that refers to itself as the "People's Republic of China", and use Taiwan to refer to the geopolitical state that refers to itself as the "Republic of China".

  • Reply 19 of 31
    SpamSandwichSpamSandwich Posts: 33,407member
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by sessamoid View Post

     



    What are you talking about? The term "the Far East" was not used in this story even once.

     

    Also, I seriously doubt more than a minuscule minority of the readers here would recognize the name of the city where TSMC is headquartered, so that would actually hurt the readability of the article. 

     

    What's juvenile is your complaining.


     

    What part of the word "previously" didn't you understand?

  • Reply 20 of 31
    SpamSandwichSpamSandwich Posts: 33,407member
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    Originally Posted by Flaneur View Post





    AI just can't win. Several people complained about their standard naming of "sources in the Far East," so they recently switched to "Republic of China" for Taiwan. Of course they were assuming a knowledge of history and political geography among the readership, or maybe it was a matter of "ok, we'll show you, you nitpickers . . . "



    Does anyone in the West still use "ROC" instead of "Taiwan"?

     

    There's absolutely no reason for any author here to get "cute" with their references. Call it China if it's China, call it Taiwan if it's Taiwan. Right now, it's just sloppy.

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