Apple spending on research and development swells again to $1.9 billion

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Apple's spending on research and development surged year over year by another $500 million last quarter, reaching $1.9 billion and growing to 3.3 percent of the company's total net sales.


The location of Apple's forthcoming Cambridge R&D center in the U.K.


The investments made by Apple into future products, revealed as part of its 10-K filing with the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission this week, were up from $1.4 billion a year ago. That's a year over year increase in spending of nearly 36 percent.

Apple said the growth in R&D expense during the second quarter of its fiscal year 2015 stemmed from "an increase in headcount and related expenses, including share-based compensation costs, and material costs to support expanded R&D activities."

Apple Chief Financial Officer Luca Maestri was asked about his company's spending on research and development during this week's quarterly earnings conference call. Analyst Katy Huberty noted that R&D spending continues to track "well ahead" of the company's revenue growth.

In response, Maestri noted that Apple's current product portfolio has grown significantly in recent years to include two iPhone models, two iPads, and the Apple Watch.

Maestri also indicated that Apple is developing "core foundational technologies" in-house, whereas in the past the company might have outsourced such projects. And of course Apple is also investing in future products that it has in the pipeline, and that development carries considerable costs.

"Research and development is the core of the company. Innovation is the core of the company," Maestri said.

The $1.9 billion Apple spent last quarter matches the investment the company made in the preceding December quarter. Thus far in fiscal 2015, Apple has spent nearly $1.1 billion more than it did during the same six-month span in fiscal 2014.

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  • Reply 1 of 16
    rogifanrogifan Posts: 10,669member
    I can't see how a new ?TV box or iPad "pro" would drive up R&D costs by $500M in one quarter. Unless Apple is spending a shit load of money buying up exclusive content. I suppose it could be iCloud related but I really believe those car rumors are much more than just rumors. Tim & Co. know having 70% of revenue tied to one product is dangerous but iPhone is such a big revenue driver there's no way services revenues alone could ever drive significant revenue growth. So if has to be something big.
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  • Reply 2 of 16
    rogifan wrote: »
    I can't see how a new ?TV box or iPad "pro" would drive up R&D costs by $500M in one quarter. Unless Apple is spending a shit load of money buying up exclusive content. I suppose it could be iCloud related but I really believe those car rumors are much more than just rumors. Tim & Co. know having 70% of revenue tied to one product is dangerous but iPhone is such a big revenue driver there's no way services revenues alone could ever drive significant revenue growth. So if has to be something big.

    Exactly. R&D costs are significant for new products.

    For comparison, in the 1990's Chrysler spent 2.3 billion developing the new 1996 minivan models, and Ford spent nearly three billion on the 1996 Taurus/Sable redesign. Both of those reused some components from the prior model though; the Mondeo/Contour project cost six billion (largely due to cost overruns, bad management, etc).

    A new Apple TV costs a few million at most.
  • Reply 3 of 16
    mrshowmrshow Posts: 164member
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by sog35 View Post

     

    AppleTV

     

    AppleCar

     

    iPad-Pro

     

    AppleWatch 2.0

     

    nice




    Don't forget all those custom chips Apple is making now. I'd guess that's where the bulk of this money is going. Battery tech might be another area they're throwing money towards.

  • Reply 4 of 16
    rogifanrogifan Posts: 10,669member
    Exactly. R&D costs are significant for new products.

    For comparison, in the 1990's Chrysler spent 2.3 billion developing the new 1996 minivan models, and Ford spent nearly three billion on the 1996 Taurus/Sable redesign. Both of those reused some components from the prior model though; the Mondeo/Contour project cost six billion (largely due to cost overruns, bad management, etc).

    A new Apple TV costs a few million at most.

    Yep. Last year at a WSJD conference Tim Cook said the iPhone would be Apple's main revenue driver for the next 5 years. The executive team has to be thinking about what comes after iPhone. Watch, ?TV, streaming music ?Pay, are all good but not the revenue drivers iPhone is. A $349 watch or $99 TV box will be difficult to meaningfully grow a $200B revenue base.
  • Reply 5 of 16
    inklinginkling Posts: 772member
    Apple should spend some of that money improving the text-related features of OS X. Those features virtually untouched since 10.2. For many of us, that wastes hours of our time each week. Needs included:

    1. Support of epub as solid as that for pdf. 'New World' mobile devices display pdfs poorly. They need epub as badly as desktops needed pdf in the 'Old World' of the 1990s. Apple got that previous shift right. Why is it dragging its feet with epub?

    2. Meaning or syntactically related document transfers rather than appearance-related. Again, that is a necessity with New World mobile devices. In the Old World, a document on a computer screen translated easily to a printed page. In the New World, it doesn't. What works on a 24-inch screen (font-size etc) looks awful on a mobile device. Documents should move with their meaning intact, so for instance an appropriate-appearing first-level heading in a printed office memo becomes an appropriately styled one on an iPhone 6. Implementing that will also make epub support easier.

    3. A much improved spell checker and spelling suggestions. The current one is awful. Either give the Hungarian Hunspell group that created it sufficient money to improve it or spend sufficient millions (pocket cash to today's Apple) to improve it in house. And for goodness sake, buy the continually updated rights to a top-of-the-line, professional spelling vocabulary. I edit scientific documents. The current dictionary knows few words above the college sophomore level. Also make smart enough to know not just a legitimate spelling but the preferred one. Pay special attention to getting hyphenation right. OS X's spell checker is so stupid, it literally thinks any two legitimately spell words connected by a hyphen is also correct. Sorry, but "quickly-go" is not correct English spelling. Apple's current spell checker makes many Apple users look illiterate. Fix that.

    4. Word had named paragraph and text styles back in the late 1980s. Apple's pitiful implementation of RTF still doesn't have that. Doing named styles right (i.e. better than Microsoft has done it since Word 5.1) would mesh quite well with items #1 and #2. Again, to work with Old World desktops and New World mobile devices the meaning of a block of text is what matters not its font size, color, etc. The latter is based on the screen-to-print technology of the late 1980s. It's woefully out of date today.

    5. GREP is a marvelous time-saver. Build a well-done, user-friendly version into OS X, so a host of text apps can not only use it, but share various search-and-replace routines between apps and users (getting around the messiness of knowing how to code GREP). Most of the GREP code is open source, so implementing will just involve something Apple does well, creating a clever UI.

    Do that, and you'll make a lot of people happy, particular the very substantial number who work with words.
  • Reply 6 of 16
    afrodriafrodri Posts: 190member
    Quote:


    Maestri also indicated that Apple is developing "core foundational technologies" in-house, whereas in the past the company might have outsourced such projects.


     

    Interesting. That seems to indicate that a lot of the increase was on the 'Research' side, rather than on 'Development' (i.e. basic technologies rather than product design). I'm glad to see that. Research is riskier, but has a better chance of pulling off some really stunning new breakthroughs which can give Apple a competitive advantage.

  • Reply 7 of 16
    Don't forget two absolutely huge markets - health care and home automation. Apple has started to build a bridge to these markets via HealthKit and HomeKit.

    Lots of IoT products and services that Apple can design and sell, further cementing the stickiness of the ecosystem (although as communication standards, HealthKit and HomeKit are useful for other product manufacturers too). I could see revenue from those markets supplanting iPhone in 5 years.

    And as a larger market in 10 years? The green economy - renewables, energy management systems, and batteries. Right now, these Apple investments in solar and other renewables are good PR and good for business (managing risk associated with variability in energy costs). In the future, sky's the limit - especially if drivers like carbon trading enter into the mix.
  • Reply 8 of 16
    damonfdamonf Posts: 229member

    Quote:


    Originally Posted by AppleInsider View Post



    Apple Chief Financial Officer Luca Maestri was asked about his company's spending on research and development during this week's quarterly earnings conference call. Analyst Katy Huberty noted that R&D spending continues to track "well ahead" of the company's revenue growth.

     

     

    For heaven's sake.  The analysts are now complaining about Apple's R&D spending, which are generating new ways to make money.  Is that just not the epitome of hypocrisy?  They complain when it's been some quarters/years since Apple's last new product.  Now they complain about how much is spent developing those new products and services.  C'mon Katy, it was $1.9 billion.  There was still $13.6 BILLION in profit, even after the $500 million R&D increase from the year-ago quarter!  What else do you want???

  • Reply 9 of 16
    afrodriafrodri Posts: 190member
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by DamonF View Post

     

    Quote:

     

    For heaven's sake.  The analysts are now complaining about Apple's R&D spending, which are generating new ways to make money.  Is that just not the epitome of hypocrisy?  They complain when it's been some quarters/years since Apple's last new product.  Now they complain about how much is spent developing those new products and services.  C'mon Katy, it was $1.9 billion.  There was still $13.6 BILLION in profit, even after the $500 million R&D increase from the year-ago quarter!  What else do you want???




    Whoa there, I don't think Katy Huberty was criticizing Apple. The quote came from the latest earnings telcon, and she was asking what the big drivers were. Huberty has been very positive on Apple's outlook and particularly the Apple Watch.  All she did was note that R&D spending has been increasing quickly. 

  • Reply 10 of 16
    sflocalsflocal Posts: 6,093member

    I believe that increase is for base-line tech that will filter into all their products in some way.  To quote Bruce Willis, I think they have a bunch of people just "Thinking shit up!".

     

    They are pushing the limits, and advancing battery tech, materials science, CPU/SoC solutions, etc... tech that will benefits mobile devices, watches, computers, etc... I don't think they are focusing specifically on one particular product or group per-se.  What they invent and/or advance will help many areas of products they build.



    I'm sure they're doing the exact same thing with OSX/iOS software as well...  



    Relative to what they make per year, $1.9B is chump-change to them.  I'm surprised it's not more...

  • Reply 11 of 16
    slurpyslurpy Posts: 5,384member

    ..and the stock continues to take a dive on the back of an insane quarter, and an incredible future outlook, for God-knows-what fucking reason. Would have thought that $130 would be a baseline going forward, but nope. Best Q2 of any company in history is not enough to even keep the needle where it is, let alone move it forward, when it comes to Apple. Maybe Apple should stop actually making money and products that sell absurdly well, but instead discontinue everything, dump their money in the ocean, then talk about some fantasy "potential" it has to make money? Seems Wallstreet loves that shit, since other tech companies get rewarded when they post zero profit, or a loss. 

  • Reply 12 of 16
    SpamSandwichSpamSandwich Posts: 33,407member
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Slurpy View Post

     

    ..and the stock continues to take a dive on the back of an insane quarter, and an incredible future outlook, for God-knows-what fucking reason. Would have thought that $130 would be a baseline going forward, but nope. Best Q2 of any company in history is not enough to even keep the needle where it is, let alone move it forward, when it comes to Apple. Maybe Apple should stop actually making money and products that sell absurdly well, but instead discontinue everything, dump their money in the ocean, then talk about some fantasy "potential" it has to make money? Seems Wallstreet loves that shit, since other tech companies get rewarded when they post zero profit, or a loss. 




    In addition to the usual trolling opinions of analysts and fabricated bad news from trolling news sites, there is also the effect of the bubble economy that has been blowing up thanks to Fed monetary policy. Apple does not exist or perform in a vacuum, regrettably. 

  • Reply 13 of 16
    herbivoreherbivore Posts: 132member
    Apple spends 1.9 billion on R&D and the returns in the sales of their products and profits are enormous. On the other hand, Intel spends over double that in bribing the Chinese OEMs to manufacture mobile devices using x86 processors. Never mind what Intel invested in the R&D in the first place to develop those chips. Apple is a VERY efficient company. Even their R&D budget is a well-oiled machine.

    When the A8X performs in the same ballpark as the Core M consuming approximately equivalent power, using an older process for less than a tenth of the cost, they have literally rendered x86 CPUs totally irrelevelant. That chip is a home run. The S1 in the watch is a home run.

    The ROI at that R&D budget is simply fantastic. And AAPL stock drops in price. I can't help but to scratch my head.
  • Reply 14 of 16
    foggyhillfoggyhill Posts: 4,767member
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Slurpy View Post

     

    ..and the stock continues to take a dive on the back of an insane quarter, and an incredible future outlook, for God-knows-what fucking reason. Would have thought that $130 would be a baseline going forward, but nope. Best Q2 of any company in history is not enough to even keep the needle where it is, let alone move it forward, when it comes to Apple. Maybe Apple should stop actually making money and products that sell absurdly well, but instead discontinue everything, dump their money in the ocean, then talk about some fantasy "potential" it has to make money? Seems Wallstreet loves that shit, since other tech companies get rewarded when they post zero profit, or a loss. 




    The jokes on those idiots though; Apple is probably now buying their own stock with a smile. Apple kind of expects their stock to dive on good news, it has happened so often its like a punchline now.

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  • Reply 16 of 16
    rogifan said:
    Exactly. R&D costs are significant for new products.

    For comparison, in the 1990's Chrysler spent 2.3 billion developing the new 1996 minivan models, and Ford spent nearly three billion on the 1996 Taurus/Sable redesign. Both of those reused some components from the prior model though; the Mondeo/Contour project cost six billion (largely due to cost overruns, bad management, etc).

    A new Apple TV costs a few million at most.

    Yep. Last year at a WSJD conference Tim Cook said the iPhone would be Apple's main revenue driver for the next 5 years. The executive team has to be thinking about what comes after iPhone. Watch, ?TV, streaming music ?Pay, are all good but not the revenue drivers iPhone is. A $349 watch or $99 TV box will be difficult to meaningfully grow a $200B revenue base.
    Medical equipment and medical services for the massive Boomer population are just sitting there, ready for Apple to sweep in and revolutionize.
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