A NEED FOR APPLEHEADS TO DEFEND MACS
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Edit: I didnt make it clear. click on the smily....
[ 05-26-2002: Message edited by: Paul ]</p>
<strong>We gotta go there and deliver a smack down! I'm on the way.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Why? Everything that was said there is true.
<strong>Hey WINDMAN, there's a little button on your keyboard called CAPS LOCK. Push it.
Some people just never do and will never do it.
Apple is selling jokes. Hopefully, this guy won't get duped into buying a PowerMac or an iMac.
[ 05-27-2002: Message edited by: Nostradamus ]</p>
Why do you still come here? Are you as much of a miserable git in real life as your posts suggest ?
Lighten up a little on Apple. From where I stand they seem , for the first time in a long time, to be making genuine inroads in terms of credibility among some PC people I know, have many more developers working on OSX and have a set of attractive products that are bucking the downward trend here in the UK. Besides I'm typing this on an imac that hasn't crashed since I got it at the start of February. My PC at the school has crashed twice in the last three weeks, giving me indecipherable garbage about stacks and hives etc.
As a postscript, my PC loving brother in law, a photographer specialising in digital photos and looking to add digital video, has just decided to purchase an imac for use with PS and FCP. Although he has some small issues with colour ( don't ask me
he has still decided to switch.
All I'm saying is its not all bad. Don't make it seem that way.
[ 05-27-2002: Message edited by: jimdad ]
[ 05-27-2002: Message edited by: jimdad ]</p>
<strong>Nostradamus,
Why do you still come here? Are you as much of a miserable git in real life as your posts suggest ?
Lighten up a little on Apple. From where I stand they seem , for the first time in a long time, to be making genuine inroads in terms of credibility among some PC people I know, have many more developers working on OSX and have a set of attractive products that are bucking the downward trend here in the UK. Besides I'm typing this on an imac that hasn't crashed since I got it at the start of February. My PC at the school has crashed twice in the last three weeks, giving me indecipherable garbage about stacks and hives etc.
As a postscript, my PC loving brother in law, a photographer specialising in digital photos and looking to add digital video, has just decided to purchase an imac for use with PS and FCP. Although he has some small issues with colour ( don't ask me
he has still decided to switch.
All I'm saying is its not all bad. Don't make it seem that way.
[ 05-27-2002: Message edited by: jimdad ]
[ 05-27-2002: Message edited by: jimdad ]</strong><hr></blockquote>
Apple's software is great now, but I think he's absolutely right about the hardware.
The most time consuming operations here consist of recalculating/rebuilding large solid model assemblies and photorendering beauty shots of said models. This is engineering software, and SSE2 optimizations are like a foreign language to these developers- just straight-up, plain floating point performance backed by brute Mhz rating. It's an absurdly outdated 500 Mhz PIII Xeon (1 GB of 100 Mhz RAM, 500 kB full-speed L2 cache) that I use vs. a brand new dual 2.2 Ghz P4 Xeon (2 GB of Rambus, 500 kB full-speed cache x 2) used by the guy next cubicle over.
The test results- well his computer certainly does pull out faster times. HOWEVER, it scales to a grand total of a 1.2 Ghz PIII (if there ever was one), when compared to my workstation. Amazing, right? Obviously our software isn't dual-processor aware, so you could probably multi-task the dickens out of that thing, but geez- only 1.2 Ghz of power for each processor?!? Basically, our IT guy is putting down the big bucks for Intels latest and finest, and it ends up only being a step better than the fastest PIII's that were being sold a year and half ago. Absolutely amazing. So I don't doubt a P4 will be fast for somebody doing something else, but it certainly seems quite the joke for the engineering stuff we are doing.
Like I said before, I'd kill to try out Athlon's fastest on these same tasks, but convincing the IT guy to try something other than a Dell was met with a big fat, "NO!"
[ 05-28-2002: Message edited by: Randycat99 ]</p>
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Apple's software is great now, but I think he's absolutely right about the hardware.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Yeah spot on. Apple's software is excellent. If its hardware performance was on par with curent amd/intel boxen I'd jump ship immediately, even given the added expense (thats the price you pay for elegance). Unfortunately this isn't the case. One can only hope that Apple's software people are kicking and screaming just as much as we are.
Off topic, does anyone know why apple didn't release a single processor 1ghz powermac? Were they worried about people benchmarking the single and dual systems and discovering little to no performance increase?
cheers,
Justin
<strong> ...but it certainly seems quite the joke for the engineering stuff we are doing.
[ 05-28-2002: Message edited by: Randycat99 ]</strong><hr></blockquote>
Let me get this straight. You cann a dual ghz xeon because your software cant take advantage of its features (dual cpu's, hyperthreading, etc).
The "joke" appears to be your software. :eek:
cheers,
Justin
<strong>Well, he didn't get memorized by Apple's RDF and is going to purchase a 1.7GHz Pentium 4, a PC faster than the fastest PowerMac.</strong><hr></blockquote>
...and a mediocre pc at that!
cheers,
Justin
[QB]Nostradamus,
...has just decided to purchase an imac for use with PS and FCP. Although he has some small issues with colour ( don't ask me
he has still decided to switch.
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sounds like a looser...and you married his sister. I pray for your kids.
bahahahhaha.
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That's silly in itself but the fact that OS X is still slow, even on Apple's fastest hardware, is utterly ridiculous. I recently tried a dual 1GHz GHz and OS X on that machine felt slower than OS 9 on my G4 500MHz.
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[ 05-29-2002: Message edited by: Nostradamus ]</p>
You dont get an OSX desktop for nothing...if the primary reason for memory consumption is the desktop functionality (which does not constitute bloat imo), then I'm prepared to pay the price.
<strong>I don't think Apple's software is great right now either. MacOS X is probably the most RAM hungry operating system on the planet. Most people recommend a system with at least 384-512MB RAM for general uses such as checking email and internet browsing.
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That's silly in itself but the fact that OS X is still slow, even on Apple's fastest hardware, is utterly ridiculous. I recently tried a dual 1GHz GHz and OS X on that machine felt slower than OS 9 on my G4 500MHz.
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[ 05-29-2002: Message edited by: Nostradamus ]</strong><hr></blockquote>
It might be slow for some things, but overall it's a great OS. The stability is amazing, and that's part of what makes it great. Also, OS X isn't Apple's only software. Do you think the iApps aren't good? FCP?