Can't stand common core but love STEM education in the US

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Now that I have two youngsters in the American public schools I have formed several opinions regarding different elements shaping current day education in public elementary schools. I love STEM "Science Technology Engineering Math" curriculum and have no love whatsoever for common core. Have any of you experienced this disdain for common core curriculum? Have any of you all been completely impressed with STEM curriculum?

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  • Reply 2 of 43
    fellowship wrote: »
    Now that I have two youngsters in the American public schools I have formed several opinions regarding different elements shaping current day education in public elementary schools. I love STEM "Science Technology Engineering Math" curriculum and have no love whatsoever for common core. Have any of you experienced this disdain for common core curriculum? Have any of you all been completely impressed with STEM curriculum?

    Attached pictures from a STEM camp my kids attended this past summer:

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    Fellows

    I detest Common Core every single day I have to sit down to do HW with my son. The questions are absolutely ridiculous.
  • Reply 3 of 43
    brbr Posts: 8,320member

    THINGS ARE DIFFERENT FROM HOW I LEARNED THEM, THEREFORE THEY MUST BE BAD!  

     

    Yes, some implementations are less than stellar.  However, a lot of the "ridiculous" math people seem to complain about is firmly grounded in having students understand the processes rather than just memorizing algorithms by rote.  Half the problem is the parents don't understand the processes themselves, so immediately jump to "this is dumb" when encountering low level math they don't understand (through no fault of their own--they weren't taught for understanding, they were taught for procedural fluency alone).

     

    Fellows, will you feel the same way about STEM when they teach your kids that evolution is real?

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    mr. memr. me Posts: 3,219member
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    This.

    The things that people are saying about Common Core math today are remarkably similar to their parents and grandparents said about New Math 50 years ago. I will note that Common Core is a curriculum, not just a subject. However, all of the complaints that we hear about Common Core are about math. For some reason, Common Core English and History don't come in for as much criticism.
  • Reply 5 of 43
    br wrote: »
    THINGS ARE DIFFERENT FROM HOW I LEARNED THEM, THEREFORE THEY MUST BE BAD!  

    Yes, some implementations are less than stellar.  However, a lot of the "ridiculous" math people seem to complain about is firmly grounded in having students understand the processes rather than just memorizing algorithms by rote.  Half the problem is the parents don't understand the processes themselves, so immediately jump to "this is dumb" when encountering low level math they don't understand (through no fault of their own--they weren't taught for understanding, they were taught for procedural fluency alone).

    Fellows, will you feel the same way about STEM when they teach your kids that evolution is real?

    Before you can build a house you need to build a solid foundation. They're not allowing kids to grasp simple math before moving on to to more complex problems. They never get a chance to master anything before they're off learning something else.
  • Reply 6 of 43
    mr. me wrote: »
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    This.

    The things that people are saying about Common Core math today are remarkably similar to their parents and grandparents said about New Math 50 years ago. I will note that Common Core is a curriculum, not just a subject. However, all of the complaints that we hear about Common Core are about math. For some reason, Common Core English and History don't come in for as much criticism.

    It's the implementation that gets the most criticism. Some states implemented across the board while others started with kindergarten, and let the other grades continue on the old curriculum.
  • Reply 7 of 43
    Originally Posted by BR View Post

    THINGS ARE DIFFERENT FROM HOW I LEARNED THEM, THEREFORE THEY MUST BE BAD!  

     

    Common Core is explicitly, consciously, purposely designed to destroy both the education and learning processes of public school children. Keep your delusional garbage to yourself.

     


    Originally Posted by Fellowship View Post

    Have any of you experienced this disdain for common core curriculum?


     


    Yep.

     

    The Beginning

        In the beginning, GamerGate started in response to evidence of corruption in games journalism. This was far from a surprise to most of us, but we latched onto it because we finally had proof thanks to a certain jilted ex-boyfriend. What we found, however, was only the tip of the iceberg. Our efforts to correct the problems for which we had evidence has led to a massive consumer revolt that gains greater traction and power with every passing week. None of this should be news to you. It’s also safe to say that almost none of us thought this would turn into such a major issue. The question some of us have been trying to answer is this: Why did this turn into something so big? Why did multiple successful companies and individuals rush to defend a nobody? Why were they willing to place their professional well-being and the financial well-being of their businesses on the table in defense of some bloggers and indie game devs"? The following is what we've started to uncover. 

        Before we dive any deeper into details, its important to develop some context for GamerGate. This is not an isolated situation, nor a recent occurrence. It began with the push to consider video games art. “Art,” in this case, is not an objective appreciation for the beauty of games like Bioshock Infinite or Skyrim. “Art,” in this case, refers more to modern art. The difference is that modern art focuses on a SUBJECTIVE interpretation of what constitutes “art” and what doesn't. With this definition, nearly anything can be considered art because it is left to the viewer to decide whether or not the work has artistic value.

        This opened the door for a variety of hipster endeavors such as Depression Quest, Gone Home, and a variety of other “games” which many of us do not really consider games. The focus is not on fun, excitement, entertainment, or enjoyment, but rather on the merit of these “games” as a form of subjectively-defined art.

        This push for “Games as Art” was an effort to redefine what a video game is. It was also quite successful.

     

    Killing Gamers

        What really sparked the GamerGate revolution was not simply the fact that an indie developer was trading favors in exchange for positive coverage. The real ignition came from the “Gamers are Dead” articles which popped up across a number of different sites within the span of a few days. They carried roughly the same wording and all promoted the same message. That message was that “gamers” as a consumer market to be targeted by developers is no longer relevant. “Gamers,” as we understand them, are dead. This begs the question: Why were they so adamant in declaring our consumer market, a billion dollar market, “dead”?

     

    Common Core

        If you are unfamiliar with the Common Core initiative, then you absolutely must dedicate some time to educating yourself. The space available in this article is far too small to explain it completely. The basic concept, however, is that Common Core is an effort to reform the educational system. The goal is to create a common and universal set of standards by which every student from Kindergarten to college will be educated. Many people have already pointed out the problems with Common Core, but we don't need to focus on that just yet. There are also many people who have been trying to convince us that Common Core is not an issue related to GamerGate and the consumer revolt as a whole. Here is why those people are wrong. 

        Part of what Common Core education will consist of is greater emphasis on computers, information technology, new media and, most importantly, using video games as an educational tool. There have, of course, always been educational games. The difference here is that gaming technology will be a significant part of the in-school curriculum for Common Core students. They will, essentially, be as important to the classroom as textbooks and chalkboards. Here is just one article discussing the links between Common Core and video games: http://www.edutopia.org/blog/games-common-core-need-each-other-milton-chen  Here is another. http://www.theatlantic.com/education/archive/2014/09/the-surprising-benefits-of-common-core-standards/380100/ 

     

    The Next Gold Rush 

        To understand the next piece of this puzzle, you'll need to understand how tech start-ups work. Tech start-ups are usually founded not in an effort to fill a demand from an existing market but to appeal to a predicted future market. Facebook, for example, was successful not because it appealed to the demands of the online market at the time, but because it filled the demands of the emerging social media market. Tech start-ups are, in other words, speculative, in the same way an investor might buy shares of a company they feel will explode in popularity at a certain time in the near future. We have seen this gold rush effect in online advertising, social media marketing, and even mobile apps. With those markets currently saturated with companies trying to make a fortune, many new start-ups are looking towards the future. For many of them, that future is Common Core and its reliance on gaming and new media as an educational tool. It doesn't take much research to find a variety of different companies that are already producing educational tools and material that will appeal to Common Core, should it be accepted by society as a whole. These companies are well-funded and there are a number of influential people involved in many of them. Here is one of them: http://www.studysync.com/our-product/product-features/synctv/ Here is yet another: http://www.amplify.com/viewpoints/joel-klein-welcome-amplify Amplify, the company in the second link, is notable because the CEO is a man named Joel Klein. You may not recognize this name, but Joel Klein was the Chancellor of the New York City Board of Education, where he was responsible for 1.1 million students and 1,600 separate schools. The point here is that the companies staking their futures on the acceptance of Common Core are not start-ups, but are well-funded and well-connected. The key, however, is that Common Core must first be accepted. More importantly, companies that will be developing gaming-based educational tools are depending on the acceptance of video games as a valid way to educate young people. This brings us to our next puzzle piece.

     

    The Destruction of Stereotypes

        Now that you understand there is a significant amount of money and influence behind the need to view video games as a valid educational tool, it should be easier to understand why “gamers” had to die.

        Those articles were not attacking a consumer market, but the stereotypical view of the consumers within that market. While most video game enthusiasts can attest to the fact that the common “gamer” stereotype is not true, there is still a large majority of people within education, government, and business that don't know any better.

        “Gamers” are still seen as nerds. Worse yet, they are often seen as “basement dwelling, virgin, neckbearded, white men.” Remember that one of the key points within the “Gamers are Dead” articles was that companies should no longer worry about appealing to the stereotypical “gamer” and should stop worrying about what has traditionally been considered a video game. This goes back to the need to redefine video games as a form of subjective art.

        What these articles really represent is a clear example of this need to push for a greater level of social acceptance in regards to gaming. These articles were an effort to attack the idea that gaming is for nerds and children because a destruction of that stereotype would help validate gaming as an educational resource.

        They attacked gamers personally because the backlash they expected from us would, in theory, prove to companies and other organizations that what gamers want, as a consumer market, should no longer be a concern. This rabbit hole, however, does not stop here.

     

    Required Sources and Studies 

        Before we can go any further down this path, it's important to take a step back and understand what these “Gamers are Dead” articles really are. They were not designed to convince us, the self-identified gamers, nor was it an effort to convince companies like Rockstar that “gamers” are, in fact, dead as a consumer market.

        Remember, these articles were published by some of the biggest names in online gaming journalism. What these articles represent is not found in their content as much as in their location. Being published on well-known websites gives them a certain credibility and authority, despite the fallacy therein. Having them posted on multiple sites further increases this power of perceived authority. As we all know from the Milgram experiment, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milgram_experiment the perception of authority is often just as powerful as actual authority. This leads us to the next stop on our journey down this rabbit hole.

     

    Don't Look at DiGRA

        The Digital Games Research Association, known as DiGRA, is yet another topic which we have been told to ignore and forget about. We have been told to give up research into things such as where they get their funding and who is involved. Fortunately for us, we don't need to know these details to understand how DiGRA comes into play. We only need to understand its purpose in the situation. DiGRA promotes the academic study and analysis of gaming. It came under fire by GamerGate after claims that it was being co-opted by radical extremists. This, however, is not exactly true and the fact that this isn't true was used to discredit any research into this organization. The problem is that DiGRA does not need to be co-opted. It is fulfilling its purpose on a daily basis. That purpose is to create academic and scholarly papers regarding video games, the people who play them, and the entire social impact surrounding them. Once again, our question is: Why are they doing this? To answer that, we need to go back to Common Core. In order to push Common Core into acceptance as the new standard for education, lobbyists are needed to convince different governmental organizations and key political figures into accepting the validity of Common Core's theories, as well as the proposed implementation of those theories. Part of that is, of course, the need to convince society that video games can be used as educational tools. The problem is that someone can't simply walk into Congress and try to convince politicians with a strong argument. They need studies, papers, and proof to reinforce and buttress the arguments they're making. This is where DiGRA comes into play. They are the source of these papers and studies used to help promote the validity of Common Core in general and its use of video games specifically. With this in mind, we have found the first split in our trail. DiGRA produces material that can be used to validate the Common Core arguments on the political side while things like the “Gamers are Dead” articles can be used to validate these same arguments on the corporate and financial side. What we have here is a two-pronged strategy where policy and law makers can be persuaded with academic research while business and finance can be persuaded with market-based arguments. Now that the puzzle is starting to come together, we can travel a bit deeper. This is about to get a little frightening.

     

    Lifting the Veil 

        At this point, we have a far better perspective on what is actually going on. There is, however, a certain undeniable problem that remains. We all know that these bloggers, “indie game developers”, and online celebrities are essentially not very important. They are pawns on the board, and while they may have connections within the gaming and online journalism industries, their connections do not seem to go very high up outside of possible personal and familial ties. So if we lift the veil and peer up to the higher levels of the pyramid, who do we find? Common Core is being promoted by a very specific set of people and organizations. As of today, it has a number of different influential and wealthy supporters. The first major supporter, however, is a name we all know well. This article, in fact, is being written on one of their programs. If you're thinking Bill Gates, then you are exactly right. Specifically, it is the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation. This is, on the surface, a philanthropic organization that is arguably doing good for a lot of impoverished and suffering people. The true philanthropic work is not a problem. What we are concerned with is their focus on education. As Wikipedia itself states: A key aspect of the Gates Foundation's US efforts involves an overhaul of the country's education policies at both the K-12 and college levels. The Foundation was the biggest early backer of the Common Core State Standards Initiative. It goes on to say: As part of its education-related initiatives, the Foundation has funded journalists, think tanks, lobbying organizations and governments–including controversial groups such as the American Legislative Exchange Council. Millions of dollars of grants to news organizations have funded reporting on education and higher education, including more than $1.4 million to the Education Writers Association to fund training for journalists who cover education. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_%26_Melinda_Gates_Foundation#Education Stop for a second and read that last quote over again. A major part of what this Foundation does is fund journalists, think tanks, lobbying organizations and even governments. They have spent millions in grants to news organizations and journalistic outlets. All of this has been done in an effort to promote their belief in Common Core. If you need to understand the power of influence the Foundation has, particularly when it comes to funding whatever it likes, consider this: The foundation has an endowment of $42.3 BILLION as of the 24th of November, 2014. If you have been following the GamerGate controversy, this information should be ringing a lot of bells for you. As frightening as this may be, the rabbit hole goes deeper still.

     

    Power

        Bill Gates, as we all know, is a very wealthy and successful man. That wealth and success has given him a tremendous amount of influence not just in the US, but around the world. One perplexing issue, however, is the Christ-like power Bill and Melinda Gates seem to have. Recently there were a number of stories about billionaires who are pledging to give a significant portion, often a majority, of their wealth away once they die. The common thread running through all of these stories is that they have decided to do this after meeting with Bill and Melinda Gates. Keep in mind that we are not talking about a “generous donation.” We are talking about billionaires who have pledged to give away 50%, 75%, or more of their own fortune to help support “the greater good.” Here is a quote from just one article discussing this phenomenon:

        “Billionaire Vedanta Resources founder Anil Agarwal has decided to donate the majority of his fortune to charity after meeting fellow billionaire and Microsoft co-founder Bill Gates. The 62-year-old Agarwal owns 70 percent of the London-based mining and energy company on the London exchange, according to Bloomberg, and plans to give away 75 percent of his $3.3 billion personal fortune -for the greater good of society.” More importantly: “Agarwal said he made the decision after speaking with Gates and his wife Melinda.”

        http://dailycaller.com/2014/09/26Iwhy-one-billionaire-is-giving-away-75-percent-of-his-fortune-after-meeting-bill-gates/ 

        This, however, is only one isolated example. To further understand the impact of this seemingly Christ-like power to convert the richest people in the world, we need to take a look at a short list of people who have also been converted to this cause. This list is some of the wealthiest, most prominent, and most recognizable figures in the world of business and finance. 

    Here are just 10 of them:

     

    Warren Buffet

    Diane Von Furstenberg

    David Rockefeller

    Elon Musk

    Michael Bloomberg

    George Lucas

    Richard Branson

    Mark Zuckerberg

    Paul Allen

    Ted Turner 

    http://www.thenchest.com/expensive-lifestyle/money/11-billionaires-who-pledge-to-give-away-half-their-wealth/?view=all  

     

        From this short list alone, we can see we are dealing with the true elite. These people are literally the 1% of the 1%. These are some of the richest and most powerful people that have ever lived. The frightening part is that they are pledging billions upon billions of dollars to support what they view as the “common good of society.”

        One of the changes they want to make “for the greater good” is the educational reform known as Common Core.

     

    Controlling the Future

        With all of this information in mind, let's take a look back at everything we've covered and develop a fresh perspective on GamerGate and why it has exploded into such a major controversy. We are now able to answer our original question: 'Why?” 

        In the beginning of the GamerGate controversy, we thought we had uncovered a simple case of a violation of basic journalistic ethics. Our initial efforts focused simply on correcting what we thought was a fairly simple problem. The entire controversy, in fact, could have been stopped within the first two weeks if the offending publications had simply taken steps to correct what was an obvious problem.

        The response we got, however, was an organized and seemingly planned attack. Even to this day, the opposition to GamerGate has focused on smear tactics, name calling, false equivalencies and a variety of other dirty tricks.

        Every time we tried to move one step up the ladder to correct what was, it seems, a very small issue, we have been met with greater and greater resistance. Websites and businesses have lost thousands, possibly millions of dollars, in their effort to silence us. They have lost traffic, sponsors, and the credibility of their very own brand.

        As time went on, we began to run into corruption and resistance from influential and, honestly, surprising sources. Wikipedia, for example, has come out in opposition to GamerGate, which goes against its own stated mission of disseminating factual information through crowd-sourced means. All of this was quite surprising.

     

    The Answer to “Why?”

        The GamerGate opposition was not protecting one unknown “indie dev”, but was trying to hide its ties to a multibillion-dollar agenda to take control of the entire educational system of the United States. The opposition did not attack “gamers” as a personal vendetta against us, the very consumer market that created the game industry, it was attacking the preconceived notion of “gamers” in an effort to help promote gaming as a major educational tool in the Common Core initiative. GamerGate is not up against a few websites, bloggers, and developers who seem to be close friends. We have found ourselves fighting a well-organized and highly funded effort by the richest and most powerful people in the world to gain control over the future. Common Core is about more than simply changing the way we educate children. Common Core is about more than simply creating universal standards for education and a nationwide curriculum. It is an effort to place the entirety of the US educational system in the hands of the global elite. No longer will states be allowed to decide what should be taught and by what standards this education is judged. No longer will we have the ability to decide what our children are taught or how they are taught. Common Core will create two sets of educational systems. There will be one set, The Common Core, which is taught to the majority of the young population. There will also be another set, consisting of private schools and expensive private tutoring, that will be available to those who can afford it.

     

     

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  • Reply 8 of 43
    dasanman69 wrote: »
    Before you can build a house you need to build a solid foundation. They're not allowing kids to grasp simple math before moving on to to more complex problems. They never get a chance to master anything before they're off learning something else.

    Exactly. Also I would suggest that the way the word problems are written is in a fashion to bring about confusion. So we have a multi-faceted problem of young students not learning the foundational basics combined with confusing language more geared to college age students not 3rd grade for crying out loud.

    Fellows
  • Reply 9 of 43
    brbr Posts: 8,320member
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    Before you can build a house you need to build a solid foundation. They're not allowing kids to grasp simple math before moving on to to more complex problems. They never get a chance to master anything before they're off learning something else.

    As designed, Common Core does balance procedural fluency and deeper understanding.  The implementations may be flawed, but the curriculum is just fine.  Have you actually read the math standards?  

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    brbr Posts: 8,320member
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    Conspiracy theory nonsense.


    A gamergater, too.  Shocking.  /s

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    brbr Posts: 8,320member
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    Exactly. Also I would suggest that the way the word problems are written is in a fashion to bring about confusion. So we have a multi-faceted problem of young students not learning the foundational basics combined with confusing language more geared to college age students not 3rd grade for crying out loud.



    Fellows

    Common Core does not say word problems must be written in a particular fashion.  Of course, what I'm hearing from you and the others is that you want them to learn it the way you did before they learn it the other way.  Well, we have a generation of students that don't understand the interconnectedness of math because of the bullshit memorization way we were taught.  It's different.  The transition may be rough.  It would be nice to get some math specialists in at the elementary level to teach rather than having the multi-subject credential, but that's a different battle.  Some funding for more training and an alternative to the major textbook corporation's materials would be a better approach.

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    brbr Posts: 8,320member
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    I detest Common Core every single day I have to sit down to do HW with my son. The questions are absolutely ridiculous.

    Please post some.  I might help you out.

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    Originally Posted by BR View Post

    A gamergater, too.  Shocking.  /s



    Cute. That has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with the statement being made, nor is it accurate.

     

    As you have absolutely no refutation for what was stated, we can safely assume that you don’t have the first clue what you’re talking about other than to be against anything traditionalist for the sake of it.

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    Fellows, will you feel the same way about STEM when they teach your kids that evolution is real?


     

    Why would someone object to learning how life on the world we live on works?

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    THINGS ARE DIFFERENT FROM HOW I LEARNED THEM, THEREFORE THEY MUST BE BAD!  

     

    Yes, some implementations are less than stellar.  However, a lot of the "ridiculous" math people seem to complain about is firmly grounded in having students understand the processes rather than just memorizing algorithms by rote.  Half the problem is the parents don't understand the processes themselves, so immediately jump to "this is dumb" when encountering low level math they don't understand (through no fault of their own--they weren't taught for understanding, they were taught for procedural fluency alone).


     

    Do you seriously even do any thinking anymore BR? Your replies read like bumper stickers that are meant to dismiss the strawmen and caricatures you have created as well.

     

    I've taught elementary school for 22 years now and I'm trained in and teaching Common Core Mathematics right now. The reason people aren't complaining about most other subjects is because the curriculum in most other subjects hasn't been certified yet and thus there is nothing to purchase. In Math, they were able to jump right in due to the materials being approved and available to buy.

     

    The real issue with centrally planned solutions is the law of unintended consequences when they meddle. Often they double and triple down on the initial solutions until the mess becomes unbearable. So far the Federal Government has made college so much more affordable that the current generation has more than a trillion in student loans. They've made health care affordable by offering no universal care while we spend double the amount as a percentage of GDP of other nations. 

     

    The new math series has a few positives but many more negatives. It isn't just that it is different than the way other people learned. It ignores mastery of concepts and simply tosses an array of approaches in hope one will somehow lodge itself into the child's head. Most adults today, myself included aren't ignorant in mathematical matters. When people are addressing a problem, the problem should be present and clear and not a fabrication and artificial crisis to power an agenda. The U.S. often doesn't fare as well on some international measures. This won't solve that.

     

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    Before you can build a house you need to build a solid foundation. They're not allowing kids to grasp simple math before moving on to to more complex problems. They never get a chance to master anything before they're off learning something else.

    As designed, Common Core does balance procedural fluency and deeper understanding.  The implementations may be flawed, but the curriculum is just fine.  Have you actually read the math standards?  


     

    As designed a jet should fly, yet if it doesn't, platitudes and admonishments won't change the outcome. Yes I have read the math standards but writing down a standard means nothing. We can write down the standard that everyone will be rich and healthy while living to be 127 years old. That doesn't mean it can happen. Likewise blaming the bad outcomes on implementations (aka the teachers) doesn't prove the curriculum is just fine.

     

    There are so many things this curriculum doesn't get right. There are days where two or three approaches to an objective are trying to be taught. To even present the material often can take 35-40 minutes and this is to 5-11 year old children. It is impossible to provide enough practice for the multiple approaches and so the child ends up for basically awareness and exposure, not mastery or understanding.

     

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    Exactly. Also I would suggest that the way the word problems are written is in a fashion to bring about confusion. So we have a multi-faceted problem of young students not learning the foundational basics combined with confusing language more geared to college age students not 3rd grade for crying out loud.



    Fellows

    Common Core does not say word problems must be written in a particular fashion.  Of course, what I'm hearing from you and the others is that you want them to learn it the way you did before they learn it the other way.  Well, we have a generation of students that don't understand the interconnectedness of math because of the bullshit memorization way we were taught.  It's different.  The transition may be rough.  It would be nice to get some math specialists in at the elementary level to teach rather than having the multi-subject credential, but that's a different battle.  Some funding for more training and an alternative to the major textbook corporation's materials would be a better approach.


     

    All disciplines have interconnectedness. To suggest that you need a specialist to teach elementary math is just ridiculous. In fact it makes me think you haven't read the Common Core standards at all because they presume tools are often available and thus mastery isn't needed. The hope appears to be that with exposure to so many different approaches, they'll somehow catch onto one and be able to use it. 

     

    Now to address the "bullshit memorization" way we were taught, people had to memorize their math facts. Lots of kids having poor education outcomes simply don't because an adult never forces or requires it. The same is true of matters like spelling.

     

    I've seen through all of this for ages because my background is music. One reason all the schools should have arts training that people would see there isn't any sort of short cuts to mastery of an art. You don't just get exposed to dozens of to play an instrument and thus you can pick up and play an instrument. In music no one would dare suggest that rote memorization of scales or exercises that emphasize one particular skill would cause a student to see the lack of interconnectedness. They are part of the foundation. That foundation keeps getting tossed again and again. In reading first it was whole language. Now in Common Core the belief is that mastery will happen from understanding. Rather it is building skills that leads to mastery, never the reverse.

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    br wrote: »
    dasanman69 wrote: »
    I detest Common Core every single day I have to sit down to do HW with my son. The questions are absolutely ridiculous.
    Please post some.  I might help you out.

    http://www.nationalreview.com/article/373840/ten-dumbest-common-core-problems-alec-torres
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    mr. memr. me Posts: 3,219member



    Your post and the National Review article linked therein really get to the heart of the matter. Common Core has become a political football because a Democratic President agrees with it. The "destruction of mathematics" is nothing more than teaching math at a fundamental level.  

     

    Common Core is the collective wisdom of the vast majority of the States. Most of these States were and are headed by Republican governors. My Republican governor is one of them. He was also a strong and leading proponent of Common Core. When the idiot fringe of his political party passed a law to ban Common Core, he vetoed it. But this man was planning to run for President. He is now in and running about 1% in some polls. He vetoed the bill to kill Common Core in the morning, but by that afternoon he was adamantly opposed to Common Core. Common Core is a power grab by the Federal Government, he now claims. He has even filed a lawsuit to keep Race to the Top money without implementing Common Core.

     

    One of our neighboring states recently switched the Governors mansion from the President's party to its opposition. It too had been a strong proponent of Common Core. But in this environment, the President's opponents have to show their flag. That state's legislature passed a law that replaced the PARCC exam with the ACT. A legitimate criticism of Common Core is that it relies too much on testing. They changed one test for another, but made no other changes to the State's curriculum.

     

    Nothing is perfect. Common Core is no exception. It can be improved. However, the beating of gums about Common Core are not about improving education or student outcomes. It is about making political points. Our children's futures are used as a political football.

  • Reply 18 of 43
    Originally Posted by Mr. Me View Post

    Common Core has become a political football because a Democratic President agrees with it.



    Yeah, it certainly wouldn’t have been had a Republican agreed with it; nope.

     

    The "destruction of mathematics" is nothing more than teaching math at a fundamental level.  


     

    So this magically wasn’t happening for the last six centuries, or what?

     

    Common Core is the collective wisdom of the vast majority of the States.


     

    If that’s really what it is, no wonder this country is going to the dogs. There’s no “wisdom” there.

     

    It can be improved.



     

    By throwing it out, completely, and never using anything even remotely like it ever again.

     

    However, the beating of gums about Common Core are not about improving education or student outcomes.




    Right, because the purpose of Common Core is to teach to the LCD and destroy education and student outcomes.

  • Reply 19 of 43
    Nobody who is familiar with common core likes it. If you have no experience with it you may have some convoluted and flawed motivation to defend it. I can assure you that only people who are ignorant of it would have some kind of pretense to like it. Not a single authentic defense of common core exists. Period.

    Read this and weep. http://www.buzzfeed.com/morganshanahan/this-dad-wrote-a-check-to-his-kids-school-in-common-core-mat?bffbtrending&utm_term=4ldqphx#.giPW02171

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  • Reply 20 of 43
    crowleycrowley Posts: 5,097member
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    Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post

     

     

    Common Core is explicitly, consciously, purposely designed to destroy both the education and learning processes of public school children. Keep your delusional garbage to yourself.


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    No, one isn't enough.

     

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    I also see you're copy-pasting writings from other places without attribution again.  Stay classy.

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