Prayers for France

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in PoliticalOutsider edited November 2015
I am deeply saddened to learn of the news out of Paris. I can tell you the world stands with you. Light, Love and Liberty will prevail over darkness, hate and terror. Solidarity with France forever.

Fellows
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  • Reply 3 of 32
    brbr Posts: 8,320member

    http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2015/11/non-french-war-deaths-matter.html

     

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    Non-French War Deaths Matter



     

    We are all France. Apparently. Though we are never all Lebanon or Syria or Iraq for some reason. Or a long, long list of additional places.

    We are led to believe that U.S. wars are not tolerated and cheered because of the color or culture of the people being bombed and occupied. But let a relatively tiny number of people be murdered in a white, Christian, Western-European land, with a pro-war government, and suddenly sympathy is the order of the day.

    “This is not just an attack on the French people, it is an attack on human decency and all things that we hold dear,” says U.S. Senator Lindsey Graham. I’m not sure I hold ALL the same things dear as the senator, but for the most part I think he’s exactly right and that sympathy damn well ought to be the order of the day following a horrific mass killing in France.

    I just think the same should apply to everywhere else on earth as well. The majority of deaths in all recent wars are civilian. The majority of civilians are not hard to sympathize with once superficial barriers are overcome. Yet, the U.S. media never seems to declare deaths in Yemen or Pakistan or Palestine to be attacks on our common humanity.

    I included “pro-war government” as a qualification above, because I can recall a time, way back in 2003, when I was the one shouting “We are all France,” and pro-war advocates in the United States were demonizing France for its refusal to support a looming and guaranteed to be catastrophic and counterproductive U.S. war. France sympathized with U.S. deaths on 911, but counseled sanity, decency, and honesty in response. The U.S. told France to go to hell and renamed french fries in Congressional office buildings.

    Now, 14 years into a global war on terror that reliably produces more terror, France is an enthusiastic invader, plunderer, bomber, and propagator of hateful bigotry. France also sells billions of dollars of weaponry to lovely little bastions of equality and liberty like Saudi Arabia, carefully ignoring Saudis’ funding of anti-Western terrorist groups.

    When U.S. militarism failed to prevent 911, I actually thought that would mean reduced militarism. When a Russian plane was recently blown up, I think I imagined for a split second that Russia would learn its lesson and stop repeating U.S. mistakes. When people were just killed in France, I didn’t have any time to fantasize about France coming to its senses, because a “socialist” president was already doing his Dubya-on-the-rubble imitation:

    “To all those who have seen these awful things,” said François Hollande, “I want to say we are going to lead a war which will be pitiless. Because when terrorists are capable of committing such atrocities they must be certain that they are facing a determined France, a united France, a France that is together and does not let itself be moved, even if today we express infinite sorrow.”

    The video doesn’t look like Bush, and the French word combat does not necessarily mean war just because the Washington Post says it does. It can mean fight in some other sense. But what other sense exactly, I’m not sure. Prosecuting anyone responsible would of course make perfect sense, but a criminal justice system ought not to be pitiless. It’s a war that ought to be pitiless. And it’s a war that will guarantee more attacks. And it’s a war that France has begun.

    “It is the job of thinking people, not to be on the side of the executioners,” said Albert Camus.

    Please go back to thinking, France.

    We do love you and wish you well and are deeply sorry for U.S. influence against your better tendencies.



  • Reply 4 of 32
    Originally Posted by BR View Post

    We are led to believe that U.S. wars are not tolerated and cheered because of the color or culture of the people being bombed and occupied. But let a relatively tiny number of people be murdered in a white, Christian, Western-European land, with a pro-war government, and suddenly sympathy is the order of the day.

     

    Oh, come the **** off it.

  • Reply 5 of 32
    I seem to recall not so long ago screams from Washington and demands to rename French fries "freedom fries"... All of a sudden a strongly Socialist government is now good buddies with DC?

    I feel bad for the French people and no love for their government.
  • Reply 6 of 32
    dasanman69dasanman69 Posts: 12,807member
    We are led to believe that U.S. wars are not tolerated and cheered because of the color or culture of the people being bombed and occupied. But let a relatively tiny number of people be murdered in a white, Christian, Western-European land, with a pro-war government, and suddenly sympathy is the order of the day.

    Oh, come the **** off it.

    Where was all the sympathy for these people?

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/africa/70-killed-hundreds-rescued-after-kenya-university-attack-by-al-shabab-militants/2015/04/02/0c554516-d951-11e4-ba28-f2a685dc7f89_story.html
  • Reply 7 of 32
    Originally Posted by dasanman69 View Post

    Where was all the sympathy for these people?

     

    What’s that? The white, Christian, Western world most strongly relates with events within and directly affecting the white, Christian Western world? Holy cow! What a strange concept! Almost as though literally every group ever responds most fervently to things that affect them directly or something!

     

    Close the borders, expel the invaders, shoot anyone that tries to come illegally. Ride out the storm.

  • Reply 8 of 32
    dasanman69dasanman69 Posts: 12,807member
    Where was all the sympathy for these people?

    What’s that? The white, Christian, Western world most strongly relates with events within and directly affecting the white, Christian Western world? Holy cow! What a strange concept! Almost as though literally every group ever responds most fervently to things that affect them directly or something!

    Close the borders, expel the invaders, shoot anyone that tries to come illegally. Ride out the storm.

    Isn't that more or less the point [@]BR[/@] was trying to make?
  • Reply 9 of 32
    Originally Posted by dasanman69 View Post

    Isn't that more or less the point @BR was trying to make?



    My understanding was that the article was lambasting the white Christian West for having the gall to care about their own when such and such was happening elsewhere.

     

    The author doesn’t seem to comprehend what a war is.

  • Reply 10 of 32
    brbr Posts: 8,320member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post

     



    My understanding was that the article was lambasting the white Christian West for having the gall to care about their own when such and such was happening elsewhere.

     

    The author doesn’t seem to comprehend what a war is.




    Quote:

     Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post

     



     care about their own 





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     Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post

     

     their own 



    It's this disgusting attitude that we need to stamp out if we are ever to truly progress as a species.  That attack in Kenya was as much an attack on humanity as the events of last Friday.  We are all humans.  We are all together on this rock hurtling through space.  It's time we grow up. 

     

    I don't recall Fellows making a Prayers for Kenya thread and posting an image of the Kenyan flag.

  • Reply 11 of 32
    dasanman69dasanman69 Posts: 12,807member
    Isn't that more or less the point [@=/u/5337/BR]@BR[/@] was trying to make?


    My understanding was that the article was lambasting the white Christian West for having the gall to care about their own when such and such was happening elsewhere.

    The author doesn’t seem to comprehend what a war is.

    It's human nature to sympathize with those most close to you.
  • Reply 12 of 32
    Originally Posted by BR View Post

    It’s this disgusting attitude...

     

    Keep your genocidal delusions to yourself, please.

     

    It's time we grow up. 


     

    It’s time we understand that Islam itself is an attack on humanity.

     

    I don't recall Fellows making a Prayers for Kenya thread and posting an image of the Kenyan flag. 


     

    And so you get pissy and try to shift the focus off this tragedy. Good going!

  • Reply 13 of 32
    dasanman69dasanman69 Posts: 12,807member
    br wrote: »
     


    My understanding was that the article was lambasting the white Christian West for having the gall to care about their own when such and such was happening elsewhere.

    The author doesn’t seem to comprehend what a war is.
     

     


     care about their own 


     

     
     their own 

    It's this disgusting attitude that we need to stamp out if we are ever to truly progress as a species.  That attack in Kenya was as much an attack on humanity as the events of last Friday.  We are all humans.  We are all together on this rock hurtling through space.  It's time we grow up. 

    I don't recall Fellows making a Prayers for Kenya thread. 

    Why is it our job to sympathize with everyone? We're human, and it's natural to relate to certain people, and not others. We should change that, but it's not going to happen any time soon.
  • Reply 14 of 32
    brbr Posts: 8,320member

    Here's a list of terror attacks in 2015 and a select few quoted below:

     

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents,_2015

     

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     February 2015


























    Date Type Dead Injured Location Details Perpetrator Part of
    4–5 Shooting, burning 91+ 500+ Cameroon Fotokol,Cameroon Boko Haram militants reportedly killed at least 91 people by shooting and burning, and injured over 500 in the Fotokol town of Cameroon. The militants also torched mosques and churches of the town.[35] Boko Haram Boko Haram insurgency in Cameroon
    March 2015












    20 2015 Sana'a mosque bombings 137 345 YemenSana'a,Yemen Islamic State militants in Yemen carried out five suicide bombings at the Badr and al-Hashoosh Shia mosques during prayers in the city ofSana'a.[66] Islamic StateYemen branch Yemeni Civil War (2015)

    April 2015














    1 Storming and hostage taking 147+ (+4 perpetrators) 79 KenyaGarissa,Kenya Six to ten gunmen associated with the Islamic terrorist group Al-Shabaabopen fired at the Garissa University in Kenya. Christians were their main target of the attack, with the Islamic extremists separating the Muslims from Christians before executing them. Up to three hundred students are unaccounted for. One hundred and forty-seven students were reported killed, with fears the toll will rise, along with seventy-nine wounded. Four gunmen were killed by security forces.[71][72] Al-Shabaab War in Somalia

     

    June 2015














    25 Massacre 146 0 SyriaKobani,Syria On 25 June 2015, fighters from the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant detonated three car bombs in Kobanî, close to the Turkish border crossing. Islamic State Syrian Civil War

     

     

    July 2015














    1–2 Shooting 145 17 NigeriaKukawa,Nigeria Boko Haram militants attacked multiple mosques between July 1 and 2. Forty-eight men and boys were killed on the 1st at one mosque in Kukawa. Seventeen were wounded in the attack. Ninety-seven others, mostly men, were killed in numerous mosques on the 2nd with a number of women and young girls killed in their homes. An unknown number were wounded. Boko Haram claimed responsibility. [142] Boko Haram Boko Haram insurgency













    17 Suicide car bombings 100–180 170 Iraq Khan Bani Saad,Iraq A car bomb was sent to a crowded market in Khan Bani Saad in Iraq, 30 km north to Baghdad, during the Eid al-Fitr celebrations. The explosion killed at least 100 (15 children among them) and injuring another 170 people and brought down several buildings. ISIL claimed responsibility and said 180 people were killed.[163][164][165] Islamic State Iraq War

    September 2015














    20 Bombings, suicide bombings 145 97-150+ NigeriaMaiduguri,Nigeria Boko Haram executed a series of blasts, some of which were Suicide bombings, in the north eastern city of Maiduguri, targeting a market and civilians in a mosque during night pray and a football match viewers, bringing the total number of casualties to at least 53 dead and over 90 wounded. The attack was said to be made using homemade weapons.[227] Boko Haram Boko Haram insurgency

     

    October 2015
























    31 Bombing (suspected) 224 0 Egypt Sinai,Egypt ISIL militants have claimed destruction of Metrojet Flight 9268. Bomb is cited by experts as the most likely cause.[292] Islamic State Sinai insurgency
    10 Suicide bombings 102 508 TurkeyAnkara,Turkey Two suicide bombers blew themselves up near Ankara central station where a rally for peace supported by HDP was taking place.[261] The attack left 102 dead[262] and 508 injured.[263] Islamic State Turkey–ISIL conflict

     

     

    November 2015
























    13 Shootings, bombings, grenade, hostage taking 137 (8 perpetrators)[312] 352 France Paris,France A series of attacks occurred simultaneously in central Paris. The first shooting attack occurred in a restaurant and a bar in 10th arrondissement of Paris. A bomb was detonated at Bataclan theatre in 11th arrondissement of Paris during a rock concert. Dozens were killed, and approximately 100 hostages were taken. Another bombing took place in the Stade de Francestadium in the suburb of Saint-Denis during a football match betweenFrance and Germany. Islamic State  
    12 Suicide bombing 43 240 Lebanon Beirut,Lebanon ISIL suicide bomber detonated a bike loaded with explosives and when onlookers gathered, another suicide bomber detonated himself on them bringing the casualties to 43 dead and 240 wounded.[309] Islamic State Syrian Civil War spillover in Lebanon

     

    Where are the prayers for Lebanon?  Where are the prayers for Egypt?  Where are the prayers for Kenya?  Where are the prayers for Nigeria? Where are the prayers for Turkey?  Where are the prayers for Cameroon?  Where are the prayers for Yemen?  Where are the prayers for Syria?

     

    These are just the terrorist attacks.  What about all the civilian deaths that are collateral damage from the West's response to terrorism?  Where are the prayers for all those innocents?  

     

    Four years ago, a report showed 132,000 civilian deaths as a direct result of the war on terror.  

     

    That's 963 Paris Attacks.

     

    That's 44 9/11s.

  • Reply 15 of 32
    brbr Posts: 8,320member
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post

     

     

    Keep your genocidal delusions to yourself, please.

     

    It’s time we understand that Islam itself is an attack on humanity.

     

    And so you get pissy and try to shift the focus off this tragedy. Good going!


    Genocidal delusions?  Really?  

     

    "Let's have concern for everyone." -BR

    "You have genocidal delusions" -Tallest Skil

     

    Non-sequitur much?

  • Reply 16 of 32
    brbr Posts: 8,320member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by dasanman69 View Post





    Why is it our job to sympathize with everyone? We're human, and it's natural to relate to certain people, and not others. We should change that, but it's not going to happen any time soon.

    Not with that attitude.  We can do better.  We can be better.  We can build a better future.  

  • Reply 17 of 32
    dasanman69dasanman69 Posts: 12,807member
    br wrote: »
    dasanman69 wrote: »
    Why is it our job to sympathize with everyone? We're human, and it's natural to relate to certain people, and not others. We should change that, but it's not going to happen any time soon.
    Not with that attitude.  We can do better.  We can be better.  We can build a better future.  

    I try to be an optimist but the truth is that we're going to destroy ourselves one way, or another.
  • Reply 18 of 32
    BR I had been away from ai po for some time including during when the Kenya attack happened. I was very upset by that event even though I had not been here in the forums to share it. I also believe American Foreign policy has been a disaster for the last 15 years and do not endorse or support what happened in Iraq back when Bush was president. Is it any wonder that Iran has missle launchers under a mountain on military vehicles ready to put to use when during the war in Iraq (remember shock and awe anyone?) we busted up the country of Iraq. I thought that was wrong then as did I find it outrageous that around 200,000 Iraqis were killed. I mean what the hell. Now surprise, surprise, surprise Iran is going to protect itself... Big surprise after how America busted up Iraq and killed so many. Again I love our country but I do not think our foreign policy has had an ounce of wisdom in the last 15 years.

    All lives matter and terrorism is wrong no matter who is responsible for it.

    Fellows
  • Reply 19 of 32
    brbr Posts: 8,320member
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Fellowship View Post



    BR I had been away from ai po for some time including during when the Kenya attack happened. I was very upset by that event even though I had not been here in the forums to share it. I also believe American Foreign policy has been a disaster for the last 15 years and do not endorse or support what happened in Iraq back when Bush was president. Is it any wonder that Iran has missle launchers under a mountain on military vehicles ready to put to use when during the war in Iraq (remember shock and awe anyone?) we busted up the country of Iraq. I thought that was wrong then as did I find it outrageous that around 200,000 Iraqis were killed. I mean what the hell. Now surprise, surprise, surprise Iran is going to protect itself... Big surprise after how America busted up Iraq and killed so many. Again I love our country but I do not think our foreign policy has had an ounce of wisdom in the last 15 years.



    All lives matter and terrorism is wrong no matter who is responsible for it.



    Fellows

    I'm glad that you feel that way.  

     

    I would like to point out, though, that you were here for Metrojet Flight 9268 destruction that ISIS claimed responsibility for, taking 224 lives.  There was no thread about prayers for them.  

     

    So, for you, it's clearly not an intentional bias coming from racism or xenophobia (like it clearly is from Tallest Skil et al).  That's great.  Now you can put efforts into demonstrating that same compassion for the non-white war deaths you unintentionally have been overlooking.

     

    Of course all lives matter, but since we have a lack of outcry regarding Middle Eastern, African, and Southeast Asian war deaths, it's important to say that Non-White War Deaths Matter.  

  • Reply 20 of 32
    Originally Posted by BR View Post

    So, for you, it's clearly not an intentional bias coming from racism or xenophobia (like it clearly is from Tallest Skil et al).


     

    Subtle personal attacks! How cute.

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