US House members mull court filing arguing Congress should decide Apple-FBI encryption fight

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in General Discussion edited February 2016
A report on Monday claims members of the House Judiciary Committee are mulling an amicus curiae brief filing in the Apple-FBI encryption debate, arguing the dispute should be settled by Congress, not the courts.




Citing multiple sources familiar with the committee's plans, Reuters reports the "friend of the court" filing, if it is lodged, would argue that the government's motion to compel Apple's assistance in unlocking an iPhone involved in last year's San Bernardino shooting threatens the constitutional separation of powers.

The publication said the filing is unlikely to come from the committee itself, but rather individual members on both sides of the aisle. A concrete timeline has yet to be fleshed out, though sources say any potential filing would likely be lodged after Tuesday's Judiciary Committee hearing on encryption. Apple general counsel Bruce Sewell and FBI Director James Comey are scheduled to be in attendance.

Word of prospective congressional pressure comes just hours after a U.S. federal magistrate judge in New York raised similar concerns regarding the separation judicial and legislative powers in a ruling that denied a government motion to compel Apple's assistance in a separate iPhone unlocking case.

"It is also clear that the government has made the considered decision that it is better off securing such crypto-legislative authority from the courts (in proceedings that had always been, at the time it filed the instant Application, shielded from public scrutiny) rather than taking the chance that open legislative debate might produce a result less to its liking," Magistrate Judge James Orenstein wrote in his ruling.

Commenting on the issue last week, Apple CEO Tim Cook suggested the government withdraw its demands and form a commission to discuss the broader implications of forcing tech firms to break their own security. Cook later reiterated his stance in an ABC News interview. The idea is already being explored by House Homeland Security Chairman Michael McCaul (R-Texas) and Senate Intelligence Committee member Sen. Mark Warner (D-Va.), who are working toward the creation of a bipartisan commission on encryption.

In a related development, Reuters on Monday pointed to a Fox News interview in which U.S. Attorney General Loretta Lynch said she hopes Apple ultimately decides to comply with the federal court order handed down in California.

"It is still our hope that they will see their way clear to complying with that order as thousands of other companies do every day," Lynch said.

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  • Reply 1 of 15
    genovellegenovelle Posts: 1,480member
    Thousands of companies do not have the ability to compromise the security of nearly a billion users worldwide by complying with such a power grab. 

    latifbpdoozydozenMacsAlwaysbrakkenlymfspinnydstevehjony0
  • Reply 2 of 15
    jungmarkjungmark Posts: 6,926member
    "It is still our hope that they will see their way clear to complying with that order as thousands of other companies do every day," Lynch said.

    Hey Lynch, I hope you comply with our constitution. Also, stop lying. Apple has complied with the FBI for two months. Apple shouldn't have to create a tool to break its own software. 

    Did thousands of other companies break their own security in their software? 
    edited February 2016 ewtheckmanlatifbpdoozydozenanantksundaramMDotMacsAlwaysmagman1979brakkenlymfsailorpaul
  • Reply 3 of 15
    teejay2012teejay2012 Posts: 369member
    There have been rumors of her nomination to the Supreme Court to replace the late Justice Scalia.
    Really Loretta? Hate to be cynical, but should we be surprised you are pro-government on this one?

    doozydozenanantksundaramMacsAlways
  • Reply 4 of 15
    brakkenbrakken Posts: 687member
    Chant: Comey's head on a platter!
    Full investigation into his actions and who authorised them.
    Identify and remove all conflict of interests in US government.
    FBI pays yearly compensation for wilful damage of reputation. US$5m sounds good.
  • Reply 5 of 15
    brakkenbrakken Posts: 687member

    genovelle said:
    Thousands of companies do not have the ability to compromise the security of nearly a billion users worldwide by complying with such a power grab. 

    Nor do they ever receive such requests as there is no security which the FBI et. al. cannot break themselves.

    By going public with this, the FBI has destroyed the US's international reputation. 
    What a complete cluster fuck.
  • Reply 6 of 15
    brakkenbrakken Posts: 687member

    jungmark said:
    "It is still our hope that they will see their way clear to complying with that order as thousands of other companies do every day," Lynch said.

    Hey Lynch, I hope you comply with our constitution. Also, stop lying. Apple has complied with the FBI for two months. Apple shouldn't have to create a tool to break its own software. 

    Did thousands of other companies break their own security in their software? 
    Lynch = troll bitch from hell
  • Reply 7 of 15
    sflocalsflocal Posts: 6,093member
    Looks like Lucius Fox was right after all.  This is too much power  for anyone to have.
    retrogusto
  • Reply 8 of 15
    postmanpostman Posts: 35member
    Lynch, the DoJ, the White House and the other members of the administration may be politically inclined to close ranks and support what FBI director Comey - and DoJ - is trying to do. As it pertains to their Washington intra gov't politics.

    But being political animals, they will have to back off once the public learns the truth and weighs-in. Because the difference, just within the past week - in the more pointed questions the TV reporters are asking in their interviews with various "experts", and what is being written by knowledgeable intelligence agency experts (like Michael Hayden) and OpEd pieces in the mainstream Press like the New York Times - are all on Apple's side. As the true facts about James Comey's contrived agenda come out.

    When all the dust has settled, public opinion about personal privacy will win the day. Because public opinion trumps Washington crony politics.
    edited March 2016 likethesky
  • Reply 9 of 15
    matrix077matrix077 Posts: 868member

    In a related development, Reuters on Monday pointed to a Fox News interview in which U.S. Attorney General Loretta Lynch said she hopes Apple ultimately decides to comply with the federal court order handed down in California.

    "It is still our hope that they will see their way clear to complying with that order as thousands of other companies do every day," Lynch said.
    And some idiots want her to be supreme court just because she's black. :eyesroll:
  • Reply 10 of 15
    "It is still our hope that they will see their way clear to complying with that order as thousands of other companies do every day," Lynch said.
    Now that is a statement disqualifying her from the Supreme Court.  The interrogation by members of the Senate on that subject alone may go on for days.

    "Madam Attorney General, never mind your opionions on Roe v Wade.  Please explain name the thousands of companies you've used to trample the constitutional rights of....."
    spinnyd
  • Reply 11 of 15
    jensonbjensonb Posts: 532member
    "It is still our hope that they will see their way clear to complying with that order as thousands of other companies do every day," Lynch said.
    That isn't simply misleading, it's not even close to true. Thousands of companies do not comply with Court Orders to produce crippled versions of their own products for the government's use every day. None do. This particular Court Order is unprecedented, and Lynch knows it. Pretending otherwise is outright intellectual dishonesty and she should be ashamed of herself.
    latifbpspinnydbancho
  • Reply 12 of 15
    tommikeletommikele Posts: 599member
    brakken said:
    Chant: Comey's head on a platter!
    Full investigation into his actions and who authorised them.
    Identify and remove all conflict of interests in US government.
    FBI pays yearly compensation for wilful damage of reputation. US$5m sounds good.
    Not sure if I have ever before read such a childish and stupid comment on AI before. Perhaps, next time you want to rant and rave, you could add some supporting discussion for your position. Your other posts on this thread are equally as immature and unsupported. Do you realize or even care how they portray you regardless of the subject under discussion? Grow up and try intelligent discussion. I know it's asking a lot, but do your mother a favor and stop making her look bad for giving birth to you.
    edited March 2016
  • Reply 13 of 15
    retrogustoretrogusto Posts: 1,110member
    I'm cool with Congress deciding this, as long as they do what they usually do, which is...nothing. 
  • Reply 14 of 15
    jony0jony0 Posts: 378member
    I would ask WHY? Why would Apple create such convenient on the fly encryption? Why? The answer is obviously Marketing. 
    The mark of a shallow mind, blindly think marketing only, nothing beyond the surface. The facts don't match your ramblings, but you couldn't fathom the concept of principled stand on human rights anyway.
    The idea of Openness and honesty and humility is lost here. I have always been a deviate of sorts.
    Well you got that right, you have a remarkably closed mind with no inkling of forward looking vision of the consequences of your position, looking only at your little situation in your own little bubble, showing no humility to even consider that your needs might not suffice for everybody, and dishonestly appropriating the nickname of someone who could actually think, you are indeed indeed a deviate.
    I have many incisive opinions.
    You have yet to share any of them here and judging by all the drivel you've spewed on this forum so far, we're not expecting any either, probably your lost honesty again.
    Probably you......buk buk buk.....
    Was that your mommy interrupting and calling you up for lunch ? Why don't you go run along now, hopefully you'll lose your way and not be back here.
  • Reply 15 of 15
    SpamSandwichSpamSandwich Posts: 33,407member
    The nightmare scenario here is Congress decides Apple's encryption scheme is "too good" and they effectively kill it by regulating it into obscurity.

    The SECOND nightmare scenario is Congress decides it's "too good" and therefore it must be Federalized and regulated by government and implemented at all levels in the US on ALL phones.
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