Desktop Kaby Lake Processor Launch Details Leaked!

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Desktop Kaby Lake Processor Launch Details Leaked!
It’s All Happening At CES 2017!
We can now confirm that Intel will announce the desktop Kaby Lake processors and Intel 200 Series chipsets on January 4 at CES 2017. The news conference will be held from 4:00 to 4:45 PM at the Mandalay Bay Ballroom E, but the media NDA is set to 1 AM, Pacific Standard Time on January 5, 2017.

Hopefully, for brand new Mac Pro with brand new Apple Thunderbolt Display 24-inch.

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  • Reply 1 of 15
    These could well be found in the next iMac or Mac mini, but these are not the kind of workstation/server processors that the Mac Pro is designed for.
    mattinoz
  • Reply 2 of 15
    These could well be found in the next iMac or Mac mini, but these are not the kind of workstation/server processors that the Mac Pro is designed for.
    Was going to say doesn't the Mac Pro use E5 Xeons> Yes yes it does still new iMac's and fingers crossed for mini in January.

    Well Unless Intel knew they had to leak something and are keeping the higher end Xeons back for announcement.
  • Reply 3 of 15
    appexappex Posts: 510member
    mattinoz said:
    These could well be found in the next iMac or Mac mini, but these are not the kind of workstation/server processors that the Mac Pro is designed for.
    Was going to say doesn't the Mac Pro use E5 Xeons> Yes yes it does still new iMac's and fingers crossed for mini in January.

    Well Unless Intel knew they had to leak something and are keeping the higher end Xeons back for announcement.

    TDP of 95 W does not seem for iMac or Mac mini.
  • Reply 4 of 15
    mattinoz said:
    These could well be found in the next iMac or Mac mini, but these are not the kind of workstation/server processors that the Mac Pro is designed for.
    Was going to say doesn't the Mac Pro use E5 Xeons> Yes yes it does still new iMac's and fingers crossed for mini in January.

    Well Unless Intel knew they had to leak something and are keeping the higher end Xeons back for announcement.
    Yes, correct. The Xeon E3 processors are designed to feature built-in Iris Pro graphics, though most of them can also be had without the graphics. They are currently in v5 (Skylake), so v6 (Kaby Lake) is next. There are two main branches of the family -- mobile workstations (E3-1500) and entry-level servers and workstations (E3-1200). See the briefs, here. The complete list of products is here. Regardless, they are not appropriate for the Mac Pro, which is not an "entry-level" workstation without discreet graphics.

    The Xeon E5s and E7s are still in v4 (Broadwell). Skylake is expected soon.
    edited December 2016
  • Reply 5 of 15
    frank777frank777 Posts: 5,723member
    appex said:

    TDP of 95 W does not seem for iMac or Mac mini.

    What's the TDP of the current iMac?
  • Reply 6 of 15
    jSnivelyjSnively Posts: 233administrator
    frank777 said:
    appex said:

    TDP of 95 W does not seem for iMac or Mac mini.

    What's the TDP of the current iMac?
    Depends which one -- https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201918
  • Reply 7 of 15
    jSnively said:
    frank777 said:
    appex said:

    TDP of 95 W does not seem for iMac or Mac mini.

    What's the TDP of the current iMac?
    Depends which one -- https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201918
    So the 95W would seem doable with some tweaking on the high end and the 65W is drop in replacment.
  • Reply 8 of 15
    appexappex Posts: 510member
    These could well be found in the next iMac or Mac mini, but these are not the kind of workstation/server processors that the Mac Pro is designed for.
    It could be with this:

    Trio of new AMD GPU references for possible Mac refresh found in latest macOS Sierra beta
    And hopefully Intel will reveal new microprocessors for Mac Pro at CES 2017 (5th January 2017):

    Kaby Lake

    Products (Formerly Kaby Lake)
    edited December 2016
  • Reply 9 of 15
    appex said:
    These could well be found in the next iMac or Mac mini, but these are not the kind of workstation/server processors that the Mac Pro is designed for.
    It could be with this:

    Trio of new AMD GPU references for possible Mac refresh found in latest macOS Sierra beta
    And hopefully Intel will reveal new microprocessors for Mac Pro at CES 2017 (5th January 2017):

    Kaby Lake

    Products (Formerly Kaby Lake)
    I know this is confusing, but if there is a new Mac Pro in 2017, it will be Skylake. The high-end Xeon E5 and E7 lines now lag more than a year behind the E3s and the Core lines.

    Yes, they are due and they will be introduced at CES or another venue in 2017. But they won't be Kaby Lake.
  • Reply 10 of 15
    gatorguygatorguy Posts: 15,938member
    There's already laptops shipping with Kaby Lake processors. Take a look at Dell as one example. 

  • Reply 11 of 15
    gatorguy said:
    There's already laptops shipping with Kaby Lake processors. Take a look at Dell as one example. 
    Not sure if you are responding to me, but the Mac Pro is not a laptop. Kaby Lake is likely for the next generation of iMacs and MacBook Pros. But Appex keeps suggesting the Kaby Lake processors that are being introduced at CES 2017 can be used in the Mac Pro, which is just wrong.

    Anyone waiting for a new Mac Pro is waiting for the high-end (i.e., E5 and E7) Skylake Xeons to come out. The Kaby Lake Xeon E5s are at least a year away, probably more.
    edited December 2016
  • Reply 12 of 15
    nubusnubus Posts: 35member
    Anyone waiting for a new Mac Pro is waiting for the high-end (i.e., E5 and E7) Skylake Xeons to come out. The Kaby Lake Xeon E5s are at least a year away, probably more.
    The new Xeon Skylake-EP is scheduled for 1H. It does however come with a gigantic LGA3647 socket, which is four times the size of the current package. In addition it will be require 6-channel RAM. There is no space in the current enclosure for a huge socket and more RAM slots.

    Apple could make the change from Xeon to ordinary Core. It would improve performance for most users, reduce cost, and make it possible to release more updates to the Mac Pro. ECC (if required) is already available with some Core-series products.

    Given the backlash from tMBP and Tim Cook trying to calm employees about the future of the Mac (and MacWorld placing desktop Mac on the abandoned technologies list), it would make sense for Apple to make a pre-release this month without shipping.

    1. It won't affect Apple as revenue from the current Mac Pro is nothing.
    2. It will show the community, media, and employees that Apple is serious about being the #1 tool in creative arts and science.
    3. Shipping could be in June (WWDC) or August - doesn't really matter. It is the commitment that is important.
    4. Allow for a GTX1080 card inside or pre-release a TB3/eGPU dock.

    Cost is important. USD has increased by 25% towards Euro (and a lot of other currencies) since 2014. It has made Mac Pro extinct in most of the world. Moving from Xeon to Core will make it possible to reduce cost and reach more users. Design and price it to sell. The old entry level for a Pro desktop from Apple was $1599 incl. keyboard and mouse. These days it starts at $3097.
    jahaja
  • Reply 13 of 15
    jahajajahaja Posts: 18member
    nubus said:
    Anyone waiting for a new Mac Pro is waiting for the high-end (i.e., E5 and E7) Skylake Xeons to come out. The Kaby Lake Xeon E5s are at least a year away, probably more.
    The new Xeon Skylake-EP is scheduled for 1H. It does however come with a gigantic LGA3647 socket, which is four times the size of the current package. In addition it will be require 6-channel RAM. There is no space in the current enclosure for a huge socket and more RAM slots.

    Apple could make the change from Xeon to ordinary Core. It would improve performance for most users, reduce cost, and make it possible to release more updates to the Mac Pro. ECC (if required) is already available with some Core-series products.

    Given the backlash from tMBP and Tim Cook trying to calm employees about the future of the Mac (and MacWorld placing desktop Mac on the abandoned technologies list), it would make sense for Apple to make a pre-release this month without shipping.

    1. It won't affect Apple as revenue from the current Mac Pro is nothing.
    2. It will show the community, media, and employees that Apple is serious about being the #1 tool in creative arts and science.
    3. Shipping could be in June (WWDC) or August - doesn't really matter. It is the commitment that is important.
    4. Allow for a GTX1080 card inside or pre-release a TB3/eGPU dock.

    Cost is important. USD has increased by 25% towards Euro (and a lot of other currencies) since 2014. It has made Mac Pro extinct in most of the world. Moving from Xeon to Core will make it possible to reduce cost and reach more users. Design and price it to sell. The old entry level for a Pro desktop from Apple was $1599 incl. keyboard and mouse. These days it starts at $3097.
    I agree. Sadly though if they step down to Core there will be all this banter from people who have never and would never buy a Pro anyway. To avoid the "backlash" you mention regarding the tMBP, they would have to release a Xeon for the price of a Core, a year before updated Xeons are available. I.e. only fantasy products can please the crowds. These days everyone wants to win the lottery ticket every time.
  • Reply 14 of 15
    nubus said:
    Anyone waiting for a new Mac Pro is waiting for the high-end (i.e., E5 and E7) Skylake Xeons to come out. The Kaby Lake Xeon E5s are at least a year away, probably more.
    The new Xeon Skylake-EP is scheduled for 1H. It does however come with a gigantic LGA3647 socket, which is four times the size of the current package. In addition it will be require 6-channel RAM. There is no space in the current enclosure for a huge socket and more RAM slots.

    Apple could make the change from Xeon to ordinary Core. It would improve performance for most users, reduce cost, and make it possible to release more updates to the Mac Pro. ECC (if required) is already available with some Core-series products.

    Given the backlash from tMBP and Tim Cook trying to calm employees about the future of the Mac (and MacWorld placing desktop Mac on the abandoned technologies list), it would make sense for Apple to make a pre-release this month without shipping.

    1. It won't affect Apple as revenue from the current Mac Pro is nothing.
    2. It will show the community, media, and employees that Apple is serious about being the #1 tool in creative arts and science.
    3. Shipping could be in June (WWDC) or August - doesn't really matter. It is the commitment that is important.
    4. Allow for a GTX1080 card inside or pre-release a TB3/eGPU dock.

    Cost is important. USD has increased by 25% towards Euro (and a lot of other currencies) since 2014. It has made Mac Pro extinct in most of the world. Moving from Xeon to Core will make it possible to reduce cost and reach more users. Design and price it to sell. The old entry level for a Pro desktop from Apple was $1599 incl. keyboard and mouse. These days it starts at $3097.
    It's not four times the size. It's about 30% larger, which is about what is required to make room for the 6-channel RAM. Yes, it would require a redesign (slightly taller?), but I'm going to guess a Purley-based Mac Pro is possible.

    Nonetheless, you are probably right to some degree. Others have mentioned this, and I've echoed them, but it's quite possible, even probable (partly for the reasons you cite), that Apple will go with the forthcoming "Basin Falls" Skylake-W (scroll down, past the Skylake-X discussion), which will use the old socket. I don't think we know for sure how these will be marketed -- I think probably just Xeon E5-1xxx v5, if the past is any indicator. But they are a departure, so they could also be called something else.

    Obviously, I'm not in the desktop-Macs-are-dead camp -- I don't subscribe to the theory that the Texas facility is a failed experiment, a political stunt. Not when there is a much more straightforward explanation -- Intel.
    mattinoz
  • Reply 15 of 15
    No news of mac pro. it's dead...probably.
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