Apple seen switching to glass-film touch tech this year for Apple Watch Series 3

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in Apple Watch edited February 21
For the next Apple Watch, Apple is likely to switch from touch-on-lens technology to a glass-film option, in the process changing up suppliers for its touch technology, a report claimed on Tuesday.




Apple will probably turn to either Biel Crystal or General Interface Solution to produce the glass-film touch panels, DigiTimes said, citing industry sources. Biel has separately been rumored as one of the suppliers for the front and back glass on three upcoming iPhone models, including an OLED-equipped "iPhone 8" or "iPhone X."

If Apple does take on Biel and GIS for a third-generation Watch, it will be dropping current touch panel supplier TPK, which has allegedly been unable to get good yield rates for touch-on-lens and been planning on its own to halt production for the Watch. The company is reportedly trying to return to profitability, since the yield issue was responsible for losses during 2016.

On a technical level the difficulty was said to be the curved surface of the Watch, which complicated the manufacturing process for touch panels.

Few rumors have emerged about a third-generation Watch model, which will presumably ship this fall if it follows in the path of the Series 1 and Series 2.

One possibility is LTE support, which missed its debut with the Series 2, likely because Apple was unable to address battery drain problems in time. The company was purportedly in talks with American and European carriers, and considering options for low-power cellular chips.

Adding LTE could allow a Watch to operate as a fully independent device, rather than being tethered to an iPhone most of the time. The Series 2 gained somewhat more independence thanks to built-in GPS, useful for fitness and navigation apps.
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  • Reply 1 of 32
    sog35sog35 Posts: 12,198member
    I would love to have an LTE watch.  Some times I just don't want to lug my 6+ with me, like when I go to the park or trails.

    The real trick is Apple needs to negotiate with the carriers to allow the LTE Watch to piggy back on your iPhone plan without any additional charges. Its an absolute no go if you have to pay an additional $10-$20 to use an LTE Watch on your cell plan.  
    fotoformatStrangeDaysstanhopepatchythepiraterepressthissteveau
  • Reply 2 of 32
    This writer  insinuates that the series 1 and 2 watches were successive releases.  They weren't. Just different models.
  • Reply 3 of 32
    larryalarrya Posts: 392member
    Based on gen 2 reviews I would rather see higher resolution GPS sampling than LTE so I can actually consider replacing my Garmin Forerunner.  There's too much slop right now, especially in measuring pace. 
    repressthis
  • Reply 4 of 32
    NY1822NY1822 Posts: 253member
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    edited February 21
  • Reply 5 of 32
    Sox129 said:
    This writer  insinuates that the series 1 and 2 watches were successive releases.  They weren't. Just different models.
    First-generation watch did not launch in the fall — series 1 and series 2 did. Article is just saying that if Apple sticks to the fall release schedule, it would be following last year's refresh.
    Roger_Fingascreek0512patchythepiraterepressthis
  • Reply 6 of 32
    As far as I am concerned, it would be sufficient if the LTE was used for an emergency call option -- free of charge of course. And by emergency I don't just mean the ambulance, but also, for example, sending a text to a contact. I personally dislike the thought of going on a 50+ mile bike ride and have no way of calling if I have a crash, or even just running for 30 min and not having any way to get help if I slip and break my leg. None of this happened, of course, but still. 

    stanhope
  • Reply 7 of 32
    SoliSoli Posts: 2,562member
    sog35 said:
    The real trick is Apple needs to negotiate with the carriers to allow the LTE Watch to piggy back on your iPhone plan without any additional charges. Its an absolute no go if you have to pay an additional $10-$20 to use an LTE Watch on your cell plan.  
    The "real trick" is making the HW small enough, cheap enough, and use considerably less power.

    $10–20 per month would be a great deal when adding a line is already $20–40 without even considering voice, text, or data usage. If they can make it $10 per month without any other costs if you also have a smartphone on the account, I'd probably consider it even though I don't like using my Watch for internet or phone calls.
    edited February 21
  • Reply 8 of 32
    tjwolftjwolf Posts: 105member
    Pundits keep harping on the lack of cellular as if it's a "must have" in a smart watch.  I couldn't disagree more.  While I see its desirability for emergencies while out exercising, it seems to me a fringe use-case - i.e. a selling point to a small minority of Apple Watch users.  Apple might consider making a more expensive version that has it, but I doubt the "base" Apple Watch will see something like this.

    Making/taking calls on the watch is just not that comfortable!  You have to hold your arm up and, in noisy environment, it's difficult to hear the other side from the speakers.  Sure, Bluetooth headphones would ameliorate this, but not that many folks have or carry those around either.


    jbdragonpatchythepirateGeorgeBMac
  • Reply 9 of 32
    macxpressmacxpress Posts: 2,635member
    sog35 said:
    I would love to have an LTE watch.  Some times I just don't want to lug my 6+ with me, like when I go to the park or trails.

    The real trick is Apple needs to negotiate with the carriers to allow the LTE Watch to piggy back on your iPhone plan without any additional charges. Its an absolute no go if you have to pay an additional $10-$20 to use an LTE Watch on your cell plan.  
    Haha like that's ever gonna happen! If there's extra revenue to be made from cell phone carriers, they're all over it and then some! You also have to make an LTF chip that doesn't drain the tiny battery in your watch. My 1st gen Apple Watch gets really really good battery life, but if it had LTE, who knows if it would still be that way. 
    edited February 21 GeorgeBMacwatto_cobra
  • Reply 10 of 32
    Soli said:
    sog35 said:
    The real trick is Apple needs to negotiate with the carriers to allow the LTE Watch to piggy back on your iPhone plan without any additional charges. Its an absolute no go if you have to pay an additional $10-$20 to use an LTE Watch on your cell plan.  
    The "real trick" is making the HW small enough, cheap enough, and use considerably less power.

    $10–20 per month would be a great deal when adding a line is already $20–40 without even considering voice, text, or data usage. If they can make it $10 per month without any other costs if you also have a smartphone on the account, I'd probably consider it even though I don't like using my Watch for internet or phone calls.
    I believe Verizon and T-Mobile charge $5 per month to add an LTE smart watch to an existing shared data plan. AT&T is at $10. I doubt very many people are paying for these plans, so there isn't exactly a price war — yet. But you can be sure that if and when the Apple Watch gains LTE, all of the carriers will probably fall in line with similar pricing.

    $5 per month seems fair to me, especially if they aren't going to add any gigs to your data cap. If you're going to charge $10 per month, give me an extra 2GB for the data pool, or something.
    Solistanhopewatto_cobra
  • Reply 11 of 32
    SoliSoli Posts: 2,562member
    nhughes said:
    Soli said:
    sog35 said:
    The real trick is Apple needs to negotiate with the carriers to allow the LTE Watch to piggy back on your iPhone plan without any additional charges. Its an absolute no go if you have to pay an additional $10-$20 to use an LTE Watch on your cell plan.  
    The "real trick" is making the HW small enough, cheap enough, and use considerably less power.

    $10–20 per month would be a great deal when adding a line is already $20–40 without even considering voice, text, or data usage. If they can make it $10 per month without any other costs if you also have a smartphone on the account, I'd probably consider it even though I don't like using my Watch for internet or phone calls.
    I believe Verizon and T-Mobile charge $5 per month to add an LTE smart watch to an existing shared data plan. AT&T is at $10. I doubt very many people are paying for these plans, so there isn't exactly a price war — yet. But you can be sure that if and when the Apple Watch gains LTE, all of the carriers will probably fall in line with similar pricing.

    $5 per month seems fair to me, especially if they aren't going to add any gigs to your data cap. If you're going to charge $10 per month, give me an extra 2GB for the data pool, or something.
    Good to know they don't have excessive monthly device fees for smartwatches. Is the standard $35 activation fee still require?

    If and when this happens I hope they don't start fleecing smartwatch customers, but it's entirely possible considering how data rates have changed since both the iPhone and iPad were first announced.
  • Reply 12 of 32
    sog35sog35 Posts: 12,198member
    nhughes said:
    Soli said:
    sog35 said:
    The real trick is Apple needs to negotiate with the carriers to allow the LTE Watch to piggy back on your iPhone plan without any additional charges. Its an absolute no go if you have to pay an additional $10-$20 to use an LTE Watch on your cell plan.  
    The "real trick" is making the HW small enough, cheap enough, and use considerably less power.

    $10–20 per month would be a great deal when adding a line is already $20–40 without even considering voice, text, or data usage. If they can make it $10 per month without any other costs if you also have a smartphone on the account, I'd probably consider it even though I don't like using my Watch for internet or phone calls.
    I believe Verizon and T-Mobile charge $5 per month to add an LTE smart watch to an existing shared data plan. AT&T is at $10. I doubt very many people are paying for these plans, so there isn't exactly a price war — yet. But you can be sure that if and when the Apple Watch gains LTE, all of the carriers will probably fall in line with similar pricing.

    $5 per month seems fair to me, especially if they aren't going to add any gigs to your data cap. If you're going to charge $10 per month, give me an extra 2GB for the data pool, or something.
    $5 is decent.

    Does it allow you to use the Watch data and the Phone at the same time?
    edited February 21
  • Reply 13 of 32
    sog35sog35 Posts: 12,198member
    Soli said:
    nhughes said:
    Soli said:
    sog35 said:
    The real trick is Apple needs to negotiate with the carriers to allow the LTE Watch to piggy back on your iPhone plan without any additional charges. Its an absolute no go if you have to pay an additional $10-$20 to use an LTE Watch on your cell plan.  
    The "real trick" is making the HW small enough, cheap enough, and use considerably less power.

    $10–20 per month would be a great deal when adding a line is already $20–40 without even considering voice, text, or data usage. If they can make it $10 per month without any other costs if you also have a smartphone on the account, I'd probably consider it even though I don't like using my Watch for internet or phone calls.
    I believe Verizon and T-Mobile charge $5 per month to add an LTE smart watch to an existing shared data plan. AT&T is at $10. I doubt very many people are paying for these plans, so there isn't exactly a price war — yet. But you can be sure that if and when the Apple Watch gains LTE, all of the carriers will probably fall in line with similar pricing.

    $5 per month seems fair to me, especially if they aren't going to add any gigs to your data cap. If you're going to charge $10 per month, give me an extra 2GB for the data pool, or something.
    Good to know they don't have excessive monthly device fees for smartwatches. Is the standard $35 activation fee still require?

    If and when this happens I hope they don't start fleecing smartwatch customers, but it's entirely possible considering how data rates have changed since both the iPhone and iPad were first announced.
    Switch to Tmobile.

    Right now its $100 for 2 unlimited lines, plus no taxes/fees ect. And you get $10 off for each line that is under 2GB per month.
  • Reply 14 of 32
    jbdragonjbdragon Posts: 1,193member
    sog35 said:
    I would love to have an LTE watch.  Some times I just don't want to lug my 6+ with me, like when I go to the park or trails.

    The real trick is Apple needs to negotiate with the carriers to allow the LTE Watch to piggy back on your iPhone plan without any additional charges. Its an absolute no go if you have to pay an additional $10-$20 to use an LTE Watch on your cell plan.  
    I rally don't get the whole LTE, Cell service thing. It just makes the watch more bulky. You need a lot more battery to power it and for what? For the rare times you don't have your phone on you? Call that free time away from the phone!!! Then pay for service for your watch? No thanks. I'm still using my first generation watch and it still works great. Wear it every day. As long as Apple keeps supporting it, I'll continue to use it. Personally I think where Smartphones on average get replaced every 2 years, a Smartwatch gets replaced every 4 years. It's a watch, there's not going to be much in the way of changes. Though I tend to hold onto my phones for quite some time also. Had my iPhone 4 for 4 + years and I'm on my 3rd year with my iPhone 6. Still using a iPad 3 also, though that's getting really sssllllooowww and so It's time to upgrade. Waiting for the new iPads to get announced so I can buy a used iPad Air 2 for a good price.
    GeorgeBMac
  • Reply 15 of 32
    jbdragonjbdragon Posts: 1,193member
    larrya said:
    Based on gen 2 reviews I would rather see higher resolution GPS sampling than LTE so I can actually consider replacing my Garmin Forerunner.  There's too much slop right now, especially in measuring pace. 
    GPS is a battery hog! You'd need a larger watch to hold a larger battery.
    watto_cobra
  • Reply 16 of 32
    jbdragonjbdragon Posts: 1,193member
    tjwolf said:
    Pundits keep harping on the lack of cellular as if it's a "must have" in a smart watch.  I couldn't disagree more.  While I see its desirability for emergencies while out exercising, it seems to me a fringe use-case - i.e. a selling point to a small minority of Apple Watch users.  Apple might consider making a more expensive version that has it, but I doubt the "base" Apple Watch will see something like this.

    Making/taking calls on the watch is just not that comfortable!  You have to hold your arm up and, in noisy environment, it's difficult to hear the other side from the speakers.  Sure, Bluetooth headphones would ameliorate this, but not that many folks have or carry those around either.


    Cell service on the watch isn't as big deal as a few people make it out. It's not a new thing. Didn't LG just release a new SmartWatch with Cell service. A huge bulky looking thing that few people are ever going to buy. But there has been a few cases where I've left my phone in my office and get a call and can still answer on my Apple Watch because it's on the same Wifi Network and so that has come in handy. I won't do it for a long call, but I can answer and and if it's something that is going to be longer then a minute, then I'll just say I'll call them back on my phone as I'm on my Apple Watch. Sometimes it can be hard to get a hold of a tech person for one of our machines and if I miss a call, I'm back to waiting again. Most things though you don't want to do on a tiny watch screen. As they say, You spend hours on your Desktop, Minutes on your Smartphone and seconds on your Smartwatch and that's really how you should look at it. I don't want to be minutes on my Smartwatch. Not normally. It's quick glances. While I can do things on my Smartphone, it's slower and just easier to get on my Desktop when I can instead.
    watto_cobra
  • Reply 17 of 32
    jbdragonjbdragon Posts: 1,193member
    nhughes said:
    Soli said:
    sog35 said:
    The real trick is Apple needs to negotiate with the carriers to allow the LTE Watch to piggy back on your iPhone plan without any additional charges. Its an absolute no go if you have to pay an additional $10-$20 to use an LTE Watch on your cell plan.  
    The "real trick" is making the HW small enough, cheap enough, and use considerably less power.

    $10–20 per month would be a great deal when adding a line is already $20–40 without even considering voice, text, or data usage. If they can make it $10 per month without any other costs if you also have a smartphone on the account, I'd probably consider it even though I don't like using my Watch for internet or phone calls.
    I believe Verizon and T-Mobile charge $5 per month to add an LTE smart watch to an existing shared data plan. AT&T is at $10. I doubt very many people are paying for these plans, so there isn't exactly a price war — yet. But you can be sure that if and when the Apple Watch gains LTE, all of the carriers will probably fall in line with similar pricing.

    $5 per month seems fair to me, especially if they aren't going to add any gigs to your data cap. If you're going to charge $10 per month, give me an extra 2GB for the data pool, or something.
    $5 a month, I might go for. Just because it's mostly a gimmick I'd hardly use. So rarely do I not have my phone on me, and when I don't, I'm still linked to a Home or work Wifi and so can still answer phones calls on my Apple watch even though I may be quite a way away from my phone.
  • Reply 18 of 32
    sog35sog35 Posts: 12,198member
    jbdragon said:
    sog35 said:
    I would love to have an LTE watch.  Some times I just don't want to lug my 6+ with me, like when I go to the park or trails.

    The real trick is Apple needs to negotiate with the carriers to allow the LTE Watch to piggy back on your iPhone plan without any additional charges. Its an absolute no go if you have to pay an additional $10-$20 to use an LTE Watch on your cell plan.  
    I rally don't get the whole LTE, Cell service thing. It just makes the watch more bulky. You need a lot more battery to power it and for what? For the rare times you don't have your phone on you? Call that free time away from the phone!!! Then pay for service for your watch? No thanks. I'm still using my first generation watch and it still works great. Wear it every day. As long as Apple keeps supporting it, I'll continue to use it. Personally I think where Smartphones on average get replaced every 2 years, a Smartwatch gets replaced every 4 years. It's a watch, there's not going to be much in the way of changes. Though I tend to hold onto my phones for quite some time also. Had my iPhone 4 for 4 + years and I'm on my 3rd year with my iPhone 6. Still using a iPad 3 also, though that's getting really sssllllooowww and so It's time to upgrade. Waiting for the new iPads to get announced so I can buy a used iPad Air 2 for a good price.
    People were saying the same thing about cell phones a couple decades ago.....
  • Reply 19 of 32
    DigiTimes... 'nuff said.
  • Reply 20 of 32
    tjwolf said:
    Pundits keep harping on the lack of cellular as if it's a "must have" in a smart watch.  I couldn't disagree more.  While I see its desirability for emergencies while out exercising, it seems to me a fringe use-case - i.e. a selling point to a small minority of Apple Watch users.  Apple might consider making a more expensive version that has it, but I doubt the "base" Apple Watch will see something like this.

    Making/taking calls on the watch is just not that comfortable!  You have to hold your arm up and, in noisy environment, it's difficult to hear the other side from the speakers.  Sure, Bluetooth headphones would ameliorate this, but not that many folks have or carry those around either.


    I totally agree.   The same with GPS.  Pundits harped on it not being an exercise tracker without GPS.   The fact is, it did have it -- you just had to have your phone with you.   And, 80% of the runners I know carry their phones whether or not they have an Apple Watch.  So for the vast majority, it was a non-issue.  
    ... I think the same for LTE.  
    .......It could expand functionality.  But it won't do much for me.   I have my phone with me all the time anyway.
    watto_cobra
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