Apple an 'antifragile monopoly,' more secure than critics believe, analyst claims

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  • Reply 61 of 70

    Huawei and ZTE cannot be trusted to be free of foreign state influence and thus pose a security threat to the United States and to our systems.'
    Avon B7 said,
    I had to smile when I saw that, as the same could be said by the Chinese government about some US companies
    ----------------------
    response by AJ

    in my opinion, Apple has likely given mightily within China, to satisfy their unquenched need for information on the internal and external goings on.

    just as was implied in earlier discussions, there is an entry fee to play in that market.

    the question for me is, do we passively allow this proactive intrusion beyond Chinese domain by using their spy portal into servers, phones and the like?

    as you mentioned, apparently so, Europe and also Canada seem to be ok with these products as well.
    edited March 10 watto_cobra
  • Reply 62 of 70
    SpamSandwichSpamSandwich Posts: 26,168member
    I believe this is pronounced "anti-fra-JEE-lay"...

    https://youtu.be/lR29zxrY2LM
  • Reply 63 of 70
    irnchrizirnchriz Posts: 1,474member
    avon b7 said:
    avon b7 said:
    muadibe said:
    Good observations.   One point: ".. but these technologies have already been implemented in some Android phones." And what new 'innovations' have the Android manufactures implemented since OLED screens and wireless charging?  Since Apple is apparently always behind, surely there are several other new 'innovations' that Apple must be behind on.

    Fingerprint Scanner Gestures?
    AI for phone optimization?
    Fingerprint scanner gestures? Boy you're really digging deep for those missing, uh, innovations. 

    And I don't even know what AI phone optimization means. I'm sure it's mind blowing, tho.
    Clearly spoken by someone who has never even used fingerprint gestures and completely fails to grasp the practicality and simplicity of the idea.

    As for AI optimization:

    http://www.androidauthority.com/huawei-superphone-730347/


    You do realise that the iPhone and Siri have had machine learning algorithms for a number of years, it learns from your usage, an example would be telling you how long it's going to take you to get home when you pick your iPhone up around the time you normally head home. Etc
    watto_cobra
  • Reply 64 of 70
    avon b7avon b7 Posts: 874member
    sog35 said:
    avon b7 said:
    sog35 said:
    avon b7 said:
    avon b7 said:
    avon b7 said:
    muadibe said:
    Good observations.   One point: ".. but these technologies have already been implemented in some Android phones." And what new 'innovations' have the Android manufactures implemented since OLED screens and wireless charging?  Since Apple is apparently always behind, surely there are several other new 'innovations' that Apple must be behind on.

    Fingerprint Scanner Gestures?
    AI for phone optimization?
    Fingerprint scanner gestures? Boy you're really digging deep for those missing, uh, innovations. 

    And I don't even know what AI phone optimization means. I'm sure it's mind blowing, tho.
    Clearly spoken by someone who has never even used fingerprint gestures and completely fails to grasp the practicality and simplicity of the idea.

    As for AI optimization:

    http://www.androidauthority.com/huawei-superphone-730347/


    Ios already does all of this.
    determening what app you're going to use based on time and location, and backround app refreshing, done.

    System ram and cpu, why do you think they use a micro kernel?
    Only android will benefet from this.
    AI optemisation, lol.
    Sorry. It's not the same. Its machine learning (and AI) and in the case of Huawei they hope to have cracked deep learning, perhaps on a phone, by 2020.

    oh he's back. The Huawei fanboy plant. Hope they are paying you well for staying up late at night in China to post here
    sog35 said:
    avon b7 said:
    avon b7 said:
    avon b7 said:
    muadibe said:
    Good observations.   One point: ".. but these technologies have already been implemented in some Android phones." And what new 'innovations' have the Android manufactures implemented since OLED screens and wireless charging?  Since Apple is apparently always behind, surely there are several other new 'innovations' that Apple must be behind on.

    Fingerprint Scanner Gestures?
    AI for phone optimization?
    Fingerprint scanner gestures? Boy you're really digging deep for those missing, uh, innovations. 

    And I don't even know what AI phone optimization means. I'm sure it's mind blowing, tho.
    Clearly spoken by someone who has never even used fingerprint gestures and completely fails to grasp the practicality and simplicity of the idea.

    As for AI optimization:

    http://www.androidauthority.com/huawei-superphone-730347/


    Ios already does all of this.
    determening what app you're going to use based on time and location, and backround app refreshing, done.

    System ram and cpu, why do you think they use a micro kernel?
    Only android will benefet from this.
    AI optemisation, lol.
    Sorry. It's not the same. Its machine learning (and AI) and in the case of Huawei they hope to have cracked deep learning, perhaps on a phone, by 2020.

    oh he's back. The Huawei fanboy plant. Hope they are paying you well for staying up late at night in China to post here
    sog35 said:
    avon b7 said:
    avon b7 said:
    avon b7 said:
    muadibe said:
    Good observations.   One point: ".. but these technologies have already been implemented in some Android phones." And what new 'innovations' have the Android manufactures implemented since OLED screens and wireless charging?  Since Apple is apparently always behind, surely there are several other new 'innovations' that Apple must be behind on.

    Fingerprint Scanner Gestures?
    AI for phone optimization?
    Fingerprint scanner gestures? Boy you're really digging deep for those missing, uh, innovations. 

    And I don't even know what AI phone optimization means. I'm sure it's mind blowing, tho.
    Clearly spoken by someone who has never even used fingerprint gestures and completely fails to grasp the practicality and simplicity of the idea.

    As for AI optimization:

    http://www.androidauthority.com/huawei-superphone-730347/


    Ios already does all of this.
    determening what app you're going to use based on time and location, and backround app refreshing, done.

    System ram and cpu, why do you think they use a micro kernel?
    Only android will benefet from this.
    AI optemisation, lol.
    Sorry. It's not the same. Its machine learning (and AI) and in the case of Huawei they hope to have cracked deep learning, perhaps on a phone, by 2020.

    oh he's back. The Huawei fanboy plant. Hope they are paying you well for staying up late at night in China to post here
    Hmmm? Huawei Fanboy? You are confused.

    I try to speak about what I know. I have some Huawei phones so I can reference them. I try not to speak about Samsung as I've never actually owned any of their phones. I have some iPhones at home and quite a few Macs. That puts me in a great position to contrast some of the 'alternative facts' some people here dredge up. Where necessary, I even provide links to at least support what I'm saying. Huawei is doing very well right now and is proving to be a great alternative to Apple. I hope Apple responds to the challenge.

    I wonder how much experience you actually have with Huawei?

    Can we assume you have never even seen one in the flesh, much less actually owned or used one?
    Huawei doing well? Only a fanboy would say that.

    They missed profit goals by a MILE. They will be laying off tons of people in the phone division very soon

    http://www.aiainews.com/science-technology/2017/03/01/47093.html

    "as a result of the smartphone business operating profit failed to achieve internal targets, huawei's some employees start instead of worrying about possible arrival of layoffs."
    But you didn't answer my question.I'd still like to know.

    As for missing targets by a 'MILE'.

    How did you reach that conclusion? Are you privvy to the internal expectations?

    Huawei is doing great. The English from the linked article is very poor (Google Translate?) but it wasn't only about profits. Brand recognition was in their too.something that has been an amazing success.


  • Reply 65 of 70
    designrdesignr Posts: 280member
    sog35 said:
    sog35 said:
    Apple does not have a monopoly in any sense of the word.
    Monopolies are characterized by pricing power. While the rest of the industry is selling phones for less and less, iphones are selling for more and more.

    Apple has a monopoly on elite level phones.

    Horace Dediu, who gets credit for this thesis is the best Apple analyst in the world. And he never gives price targets
    Oh, please. This is just playing word games. In the category of so-called "smartphones" Apple does not have monopoly control. Large profits are not an indicator of a monopoly, theyre a simple indicator that Apple markets and sells to the right group of consumers.
    Apple has a monopoly on over ONE BILLION CUSTOMERS. Its not like the iPhone's user base is small or niche. ONE BILLION. ONE BILLION. ONE BILLION. 

    Anything that has ONE BILLION locked in customers is considered a monopoly in my book.
    No. Apple does not have any "locked in" customers. None. Apple does not have a monopoly except in the mind of people who don't know what a monopoly really is.
    SpamSandwichsingularity
  • Reply 66 of 70
    avon b7avon b7 Posts: 874member
    irnchriz said:
    avon b7 said:
    avon b7 said:
    muadibe said:
    Good observations.   One point: ".. but these technologies have already been implemented in some Android phones." And what new 'innovations' have the Android manufactures implemented since OLED screens and wireless charging?  Since Apple is apparently always behind, surely there are several other new 'innovations' that Apple must be behind on.

    Fingerprint Scanner Gestures?
    AI for phone optimization?
    Fingerprint scanner gestures? Boy you're really digging deep for those missing, uh, innovations. 

    And I don't even know what AI phone optimization means. I'm sure it's mind blowing, tho.
    Clearly spoken by someone who has never even used fingerprint gestures and completely fails to grasp the practicality and simplicity of the idea.

    As for AI optimization:

    http://www.androidauthority.com/huawei-superphone-730347/


    You do realise that the iPhone and Siri have had machine learning algorithms for a number of years, it learns from your usage, an example would be telling you how long it's going to take you to get home when you pick your iPhone up around the time you normally head home. Etc
    But is that the same as optimising the phone based on your individual behaviour and usage? Is that the same as actively trying to predict where your finger is going to touch the screen next and optimising graphics rendering in parallel to your anticipated next actions etc? AFAIK, the iPhone doesn't implement these things.

    Siri (and most AI efforts) makes use of the cloud. All this is happening locally.
  • Reply 67 of 70
    avon b7avon b7 Posts: 874member
    avon b7 said:
    avon b7 said:
    avon b7 said:
    muadibe said:
    Good observations.   One point: ".. but these technologies have already been implemented in some Android phones." And what new 'innovations' have the Android manufactures implemented since OLED screens and wireless charging?  Since Apple is apparently always behind, surely there are several other new 'innovations' that Apple must be behind on.

    Fingerprint Scanner Gestures?
    AI for phone optimization?
    Fingerprint scanner gestures? Boy you're really digging deep for those missing, uh, innovations. 

    And I don't even know what AI phone optimization means. I'm sure it's mind blowing, tho.
    Clearly spoken by someone who has never even used fingerprint gestures and completely fails to grasp the practicality and simplicity of the idea.

    As for AI optimization:

    http://www.androidauthority.com/huawei-superphone-730347/
    You're missing my point -- just because your random Android knockoff has a some random feature, does not mean Apple is missing the boat on innovation. In fact I'd argue they're likely out-innovating in hardware tech your knockoff manufacturer who simply dumps Android onto their current handset, throws it against the wall, and hope it sticks. Meanwhile, if it weren't for Apple releasing TouchID your knockoff wouldnt even have a fingerprint scanner. That's the point.

    You have an iPhone-knockoff and in two years nobody will even know what it was, likely including you. I still have iPhone 4-generation devices in use by family members.
    No. I see your point. That's not the issue.

    You seem to have forgotten that my original reply was to someone else and as part of that reply I said Apple couldn't be expected to be first with innovation if they only release one phone a year.

    The same user asked what Android phones had given us after OLED. I gave a spread of answers that went from the simplest (fingerprint scanner gestures) to the most complex (AI phone optimization).

    These are not random or knock offs. 

    Even the fingerprint scanner on the iPhone was developed by someone else. All Apple did was buy the company and integrate the tech. No real innovation as such. Just a repackaging of something that has been around on computers for years. It wasn't even the first phone to feature a fingerprint scanner. Not that I find that an issue at all. I'm all for buying in someone else's work instead of reinventing the wheel.
    Oh GTFO with that "Apple only BOUGHT them! Not innovation!" That's complete garbage. You're moving the goal posts because you have to. The reality is acquisitions are a normal part of tech, and even after buying a company or tech it's up to Apple (those new staff are now Apple, btw) to integrate and implement it.

    And no duh it wasn't "the first" fingerprint scanner -- but it was the first one that worked. Big diff.

    Sorry, but your phone is most definitely an iPhone knockoff. Nobody will even know what that model was a couple years from now. I don't even know what it is today, that's how meaningless those Chinese knockoffs are. Not even a footnote in history.
    Why are you getting so flustered?

    The OP asked what Android had done after OLED. I answered that question and mentioned gestures on the fingerprint scanner. You picked up on that point.

    I answered that as well and gave you the facts. It wasn't innovation by Apple. They bought the tech in and implemented it the following year. Let me put that another way, if they hadn't bought it, the scanner wouldn't have happened on the iPhone when it did. That is really it.

    I went so far as to make it clear that this was perfectly normal and the best way to move forward and even though it is in the text you quoted me on:

    "Not that I find that an issue at all. I'm all for buying in someone else's work instead of reinventing the wheel."

    And you still complain about me trying to 'move the goalposts'. The goalposts haven't moved at all. They are exactly where they were. In fact Huawei does something similar too.

    I have given the facts. Just as they are. Fingerprint scanners were not innovation. They had existed on computers and other device's for years. A smart phone is basically a portable computer with a SIM card. Fingerprint scanners were on phones before the iPhone. Of course they worked but they weren't as effective, accurate or fast as years later. And they have got even faster and more accurate since Apple put them on iPhones. They now even support gestures which is at least a little bit of innovation and it would be great if Apple implemented them too.

    In fact, after Huawei introduced gestures on the scanner in its phones, the idea was hardwired into Android 7.

    It's a really useful feature.




    singularity
  • Reply 68 of 70
    cornchipcornchip Posts: 731member
    designr said:
    sog35 said:
    sog35 said:
    Apple does not have a monopoly in any sense of the word.
    Monopolies are characterized by pricing power. While the rest of the industry is selling phones for less and less, iphones are selling for more and more.

    Apple has a monopoly on elite level phones.

    Horace Dediu, who gets credit for this thesis is the best Apple analyst in the world. And he never gives price targets
    Oh, please. This is just playing word games. In the category of so-called "smartphones" Apple does not have monopoly control. Large profits are not an indicator of a monopoly, theyre a simple indicator that Apple markets and sells to the right group of consumers.
    Apple has a monopoly on over ONE BILLION CUSTOMERS. Its not like the iPhone's user base is small or niche. ONE BILLION. ONE BILLION. ONE BILLION. 

    Anything that has ONE BILLION locked in customers is considered a monopoly in my book.
    No. Apple does not have any "locked in" customers. None. Apple does not have a monopoly except in the mind of people who don't know what a monopoly really is.
    I mean, they've got me locked in. Some other platform would have to have a damn compelling system to even get me to begin to consider switching.
  • Reply 69 of 70
    brucemc said:

    He is not implying that Apple has a traditional monopoly at all - he clearly states the opposite. 
    You're absolutely right.  Dediu is a singular genius and until you have a thorough understanding of his analysis, you won't have a deep understanding of Apple.  As you say, Dediu makes it clear that while Apple is not a traditional monopoly, they have some of the characteristics of a traditional monopoly.  Apple does indeed have a monopoly on the Apple ecosystem, and there's never been a precedent for this business.  
    You are exactly right on this point. What baffles me is the fact that the execs at Apple dont seem to he holding that As a valuable thing. The Apple ecosystem is crumbling down, while some areas only seem valuable enough. Iphone vs. Mac professionals, networking products...software, do i need to go on...

    The value Of Apple products in my opinion has always been the way how Apple seems to minimise the gap between devices And stakeholders. To make it easy and not paintstaking to do something and need to know too much. The glue has always been software. But this is changing quickly. But that erodes the pain of leaving an ecosystem if the gap is getting bigger with Apple devices Anu others and smaller compared to competitors.
    edited March 21
  • Reply 70 of 70
    Clearly, Avon B7 you are a knowledgeable individual in this realm from your many reasoned comments. And while Huawei may be a user friendly experience with advanced tech, in your opinion. My overriding concern is with security with and Huawei or LTE product.
    China always has it eye on the prize, and one prize is embedding assets and mutiple 'seeing glass' into America the West in general and its secrets.
    https://intelligence.house.gov/sites/intelligence.house.gov/files/documents/huawei-zte%20investigative%20report%20(final).pdf

    Beware of shiny objects!
    Oh, please. I wouldnt trust an American product if my life depended on it. #vault7 #olympic games #nitro zeus 😜
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