Rumor: Apple's new iPad Pros could debut next week, with or without an event

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  • Reply 21 of 46
    bdkennedybdkennedy Posts: 416member
     Apple doesn't care about the EXTREME pro users because there are maybe a thousand of those in the US - hardly enough to dedicate development time toward. So buy a fully loaded iMac or move to Windows.
    So I guess Apple only sold a thousand Mac Pro's then.
    ChrisCarneval
  • Reply 22 of 46
    sog35 said:
    Sure Bob..............
    Except the last quarter (Oct-Dec2016) was the biggest quarter for Mac sales in Apple's history.
    maybe take at least those seriously:

    Macworld "Pros have been dissatisfied with Apple of late, and it’s not hard to see why. The so-long-in-the-tooth-it-qualifies-as-a-fang Mac Pro hasn’t been updated in more than three years, but still commands a hefty price tag. And last fall’s new MacBook Pro added the splashy new Touch Bar while seeming to skimp on practicalities like RAM and processor power."

    The Verge "Apple should stop selling four-year-old computers"

    The heat must have reached even Cook as he felt the need to tell his employees that Apple is committed to the Mac and that ‘great desktops’ are coming.
    Which he said again at your beloved earnings call where he even addressed the pro users themselves.

    They clearly know they have let down a lot of the pros.
    The question is if they care enough about them now to give them what they need.
    elijahg
  • Reply 23 of 46
    eightzeroeightzero Posts: 1,521member
    They clearly know they have let down a lot of the pros.
    The question is if they care enough about them now to give them what they need.
    That's not it at all. The question is whether or not Apple can make money from them by offering a specific device. Fairly, there is more to that question than meets the eye. Apple makes an infrastructure, and wide range of devices. Eliminating a specific product has consequences in other product lines.


  • Reply 24 of 46
    jkichline said:
    Apple has foresaken the Mac Pro, not updating it in over 3 years. Not to mention the Mac mini & iMacs. They've also discontinued their cinema displays & airport & time capsule. All they seem to be really focusing on now are their iOS devices. Their annual iPhone updates are huge events. And they seem to be touting their iPads as laptop replacements. So I seriously doubt Apple will just quietly drop the new iPad pros(including a new 10.5" bezel-less model) without holding a huge event. No way. The event will either be at the end of March or on April 4th as recently rumored. 
    The MacPro hasn't been updated because Intel has delayed rollout of the processors required for the MacPro. They simply do not have a next generation Xeon processor that includes TB3 support. Once they do, you will likely see a refresh. Sorry but Apple is hamstrung by Intel shifting their focus to mobile processors and away from the server market.
    Oh come on.. there has a suitable XEON line since 2014. 
    If they wanted they could have kept it a lot more up to date.
    Even without fancy new TB3 people wouldn't be nearly as frustrated if they did that.
  • Reply 25 of 46
    jSnivelyjSnively Posts: 234administrator
    I don't want to have to empty out the majority of this thread.

    Get back on topic. Maybe also look over our commenting guidelines.
    edited March 13 watto_cobra
  • Reply 26 of 46
    sog35sog35 Posts: 12,404member
    sog35 said:
    Sure Bob..............
    Except the last quarter (Oct-Dec2016) was the biggest quarter for Mac sales in Apple's history.
    maybe take at least those seriously:

    Macworld "Pros have been dissatisfied with Apple of late, and it’s not hard to see why. The so-long-in-the-tooth-it-qualifies-as-a-fang Mac Pro hasn’t been updated in more than three years, but still commands a hefty price tag. And last fall’s new MacBook Pro added the splashy new Touch Bar while seeming to skimp on practicalities like RAM and processor power."

    The Verge "Apple should stop selling four-year-old computers"

    The heat must have reached even Cook as he felt the need to tell his employees that Apple is committed to the Mac and that ‘great desktops’ are coming.
    Which he said again at your beloved earnings call where he even addressed the pro users themselves.

    They clearly know they have let down a lot of the pros.
    The question is if they care enough about them now to give them what they need.
    The Mac had the biggest sales quarter in its history in December. 

    The Mac line is doing GREAT. 

    And new iPad Pros will be awesome too.  I'm sorry that you are niche user. You may wish for many things. I want an iOS desktop computer, that does not mean I get it.
  • Reply 27 of 46
    macxpressmacxpress Posts: 2,741member
    jkichline said:
    Apple has foresaken the Mac Pro, not updating it in over 3 years. Not to mention the Mac mini & iMacs. They've also discontinued their cinema displays & airport & time capsule. All they seem to be really focusing on now are their iOS devices. Their annual iPhone updates are huge events. And they seem to be touting their iPads as laptop replacements. So I seriously doubt Apple will just quietly drop the new iPad pros(including a new 10.5" bezel-less model) without holding a huge event. No way. The event will either be at the end of March or on April 4th as recently rumored. 
    The MacPro hasn't been updated because Intel has delayed rollout of the processors required for the MacPro. They simply do not have a next generation Xeon processor that includes TB3 support. Once they do, you will likely see a refresh. Sorry but Apple is hamstrung by Intel shifting their focus to mobile processors and away from the server market.
    Oh come on.. there has a suitable XEON line since 2014. 
    If they wanted they could have kept it a lot more up to date.
    Even without fancy new TB3 people wouldn't be nearly as frustrated if they did that.
    Actually, @jkichline is right. I've been saying this all along and yet some people just think all Xeon CPU's are all the same. In the MacPro's current form, and with TB3 support, there is no suitable Xeon CPU successor for Apple to use until Intel releases it. Its been delayed a couple of times now. So blame Intel, not Apple. It makes no sense for Apple to release something like a MacPro without TB3 support when you can currently get something $2000 cheaper that does. Apple isn't going to release an update just for shits and giggles.
    watto_cobra
  • Reply 28 of 46
    sog35 said:
    And new iPad Pros will be awesome too.  I'm sorry that you are niche user. You may wish for many things. I want an iOS desktop computer, that does not mean I get it.

    I know it's a little OT, but I think an iOS desktop would be a great idea too. A little powerhouse in the chassis of something the same size as the Apple TV. Could offer competition to Chromebooks in the education market too.
  • Reply 29 of 46

    I am hoping for an iPad Pro with some iOS extensions/capabilities more akin to macOS...

    IMO, there is a need for a touch UI (fingers and pencil) as well as [separate] kb with trackpad (including a cursor displayed on the iPad).

    edited March 13
  • Reply 30 of 46
    ronmg said:
    Apple has foresaken the Mac Pro, not updating it in over 3 years. Not to mention the Mac mini & iMacs. They've also discontinued their cinema displays & airport & time capsule. All they seem to be really focusing on now are their iOS devices. Their annual iPhone updates are huge events. And they seem to be touting their iPads as laptop replacements. So I seriously doubt Apple will just quietly drop the new iPad pros(including a new 10.5" bezel-less model) without holding a huge event. No way. The event will either be at the end of March or on April 4th as recently rumored. 
    My God, the whining!! The majority of 'pro' users can get a 27" 5K iMac fully loaded with 4 GHz i7, 32 GB Ram, 1 TB Flash, and 4 GB Video for $3,600, add multiple screens and external hard drives, and be just fine. Apple doesn't care about the EXTREME pro users because there are maybe a thousand of those in the US - hardly enough to dedicate development time toward. So buy a fully loaded iMac or move to Windows.
    Just to maintain their reputation as the best and most powerful computing platformn and prove their IT technological prowess as best in the world they need to tend to those power users... regardless of numbers.. Its not all about direct dollor And cents profit, thats super shortsighted........ ... its about esabilishing and image of credibility as the best computing company. Period ! IPhone is nothing more than another computer. Just because they have something super successful in their hands (iphone) they should not forget about their legs .
  • Reply 31 of 46
    StrangeDaysStrangeDays Posts: 1,406member
    They've also discontinued their cinema displays & airport & time capsule.
    Uh, no they didn't. Lots of rumors but nothing from Apple, and they're still for sale.
    edited March 13 pscooter63watto_cobra
  • Reply 32 of 46
    StrangeDaysStrangeDays Posts: 1,406member
    sog35 said:
    Sure Bob..............
    Except the last quarter (Oct-Dec2016) was the biggest quarter for Mac sales in Apple's history.
    maybe take at least those seriously:

    Macworld "Pros have been dissatisfied with Apple of late, and it’s not hard to see why. The so-long-in-the-tooth-it-qualifies-as-a-fang Mac Pro hasn’t been updated in more than three years, but still commands a hefty price tag. And last fall’s new MacBook Pro added the splashy new Touch Bar while seeming to skimp on practicalities like RAM and processor power."

    The Verge "Apple should stop selling four-year-old computers"

    Apple is doing better than Verge, so... But yeah it would be nice if the MP were updated; theres clearly something holding it up.

    The RAM complaint on the MBP is bunk. They didn't "skimp", they went with a mobile system that uses low power RAM and not desktop, because it's not, you know, a desktop. This RAM has an upper capacity limit. In real life this hasn't proven to be an issue:

    https://www.zdziarski.com/blog/?p=6355
    edited March 13 watto_cobra
  • Reply 33 of 46
    entropysentropys Posts: 647member
    sog35 said:
    sog35 said:
    Sure Bob..............
    Except the last quarter (Oct-Dec2016) was the biggest quarter for Mac sales in Apple's history.
    maybe take at least those seriously:

    Macworld "Pros have been dissatisfied with Apple of late, and it’s not hard to see why. The so-long-in-the-tooth-it-qualifies-as-a-fang Mac Pro hasn’t been updated in more than three years, but still commands a hefty price tag. And last fall’s new MacBook Pro added the splashy new Touch Bar while seeming to skimp on practicalities like RAM and processor power."

    The Verge "Apple should stop selling four-year-old computers"

    The heat must have reached even Cook as he felt the need to tell his employees that Apple is committed to the Mac and that ‘great desktops’ are coming.
    Which he said again at your beloved earnings call where he even addressed the pro users themselves.

    They clearly know they have let down a lot of the pros.
    The question is if they care enough about them now to give them what they need.
    The Mac had the biggest sales quarter in its history in December. 

    The Mac line is doing GREAT. 

    And new iPad Pros will be awesome too.  I'm sorry that you are niche user. You may wish for many things. I want an iOS desktop computer, that does not mean I get it.
    Imagine would those sales could have been if Apple just kept its computers up to date, let alone came out with new models. As it is you would have to be absolutely brainless to buy a Mac Pro or anything but the lowest end iMac right now, if you aren't just jumping ship to the dark side.

    it is so astonishing I have to think it is a deliberate strategy by some Apple executive to prove the future is iOS as Mac sales are low in comparison.
    edited March 13
  • Reply 34 of 46
    boredumbboredumb Posts: 1,343member
    "Citing unnamed 'reputable supply chain analysts',..."
    What a strange world...
    What bizarre phrases we invent...
    What a sorry spitwad fight journalism is...
    elijahg
  • Reply 35 of 46
    macxpressmacxpress Posts: 2,741member
    entropys said:
    sog35 said:
    sog35 said:
    Sure Bob..............
    Except the last quarter (Oct-Dec2016) was the biggest quarter for Mac sales in Apple's history.
    maybe take at least those seriously:

    Macworld "Pros have been dissatisfied with Apple of late, and it’s not hard to see why. The so-long-in-the-tooth-it-qualifies-as-a-fang Mac Pro hasn’t been updated in more than three years, but still commands a hefty price tag. And last fall’s new MacBook Pro added the splashy new Touch Bar while seeming to skimp on practicalities like RAM and processor power."

    The Verge "Apple should stop selling four-year-old computers"

    The heat must have reached even Cook as he felt the need to tell his employees that Apple is committed to the Mac and that ‘great desktops’ are coming.
    Which he said again at your beloved earnings call where he even addressed the pro users themselves.

    They clearly know they have let down a lot of the pros.
    The question is if they care enough about them now to give them what they need.
    The Mac had the biggest sales quarter in its history in December. 

    The Mac line is doing GREAT. 

    And new iPad Pros will be awesome too.  I'm sorry that you are niche user. You may wish for many things. I want an iOS desktop computer, that does not mean I get it.
    Imagine would those sales could have been if Apple just kept its computers up to date, let alone came out with new models. As it is you would have to be absolutely brainless to buy a Mac Pro or anything but the lowest end iMac right now, if you aren't just jumping ship to the dark side.

    it is so astonishing I have to think it is a deliberate strategy by some Apple executive to prove the future is iOS as Mac sales are low in comparison.
    You can play the what if game all day long, however does the average consumer really care when the iMac was updated last? Do they even know? Today's iMac is more than good enough for the average consumer. Other than maybe a design change, there isn't really anything absolutely necessary that needs to be updated for most consumers. 
    watto_cobra
  • Reply 36 of 46
    macxpressmacxpress Posts: 2,741member

    bdkennedy said:
     Apple doesn't care about the EXTREME pro users because there are maybe a thousand of those in the US - hardly enough to dedicate development time toward. So buy a fully loaded iMac or move to Windows.
    So I guess Apple only sold a thousand Mac Pro's then.
    I bet they didn't really sell a hell of a lot to be honest. It is leaning toward a niche product. I'm sorry if you don't want to believe that but it really is. This isn't the good ole days where you needed a really high end computer to do things. Today, a maxed out iMac (maybe even less) is more than adequate for professionals. Not everyone needs a MacPro to do their "Professional" work anymore. 
    watto_cobra
  • Reply 37 of 46
    smarkysmarky Posts: 69member
    I have a maxed iMac I bought at the end of 2015, it's a great machine and I am somewhat happy that they haven't upgraded it yet, since I shelled out so much for it and I waited and waited through a few revisions until I felt the time was right.... I am not sure if I bought a machine that was a little above what I needed, but then again.... I use this machine for everything, the screen is great, it's my TV in my room and it also games pretty well, I hooked it up to an Xbox controller and boot camp and the games play really well and certainly better than an Xbox 1 or PS 4 etc.... I've never done anything on the machine that was slow or I wished was somewhat different or had more power, although going around an electronics store today, it was crazy some of the nice windows machines out there that were a third of the cost!

    I have an iPhone and this iMac, I am now thinking of adding something portable, I don't want to fork out the expensive prices for an Apple laptop, when I have this iMac here, so am thinking an iPad Pro is a good choice, which is silly is I am mostly looking to use this in my own house, even likely mostly in the same room as the iMac, I find myself using my iPhone a lot in bed, or when sat in my room and I want something with a bigger screen to bridge the gap.

    What is kinda disappointing is the fact I have all this power in the iMac just sat there, it's a shame there isin't a device that I can use to stream all this processing power to something more portable, particularly as I said, I will be using it in a very close distance from the actual iMac.

    I have been waiting for this iPad update since I started thinking about this last year, it will be a bit disappointed if it's just a simple spec bump without an event, the tablet market is crowded, Apple could do with doing something a bit better here or dropping the prices a little bit.

    The 12 inch iPad pro is a beast, but I am not sure if it is a little big to hold, so i'm liking the idea of something a little bigger screen than the standard iPad, with smaller bazels, hope we see that! 
    watto_cobra
  • Reply 38 of 46
    macxpressmacxpress Posts: 2,741member
    I just want to see a regular iPad Air 3 type iPad with the smart connector...unless Apple can drop the current 9.7" iPad Pro price down to the iPad Air 2 level. 
    edited March 13 watto_cobra
  • Reply 39 of 46
    k2kwk2kw Posts: 594member
    Apple has foresaken the Mac Pro, not updating it in over 3 years. Not to mention the Mac mini & iMacs. They've also discontinued their cinema displays & airport & time capsule. All they seem to be really focusing on now are their iOS devices. Their annual iPhone updates are huge events. And they seem to be touting their iPads as laptop replacements. So I seriously doubt Apple will just quietly drop the new iPad pros(including a new 10.5" bezel-less model) without holding a huge event. No way. The event will either be at the end of March or on April 4th as recently rumored. 
    I wish the iPad could be a laptop replacement.   It can't without mouse support unfortunately.   And better file and printer support is needed.
    Apple should make an iosBook (a laptop based on the iPad).
  • Reply 40 of 46
    ronmg said:
    Apple has foresaken the Mac Pro, not updating it in over 3 years. Not to mention the Mac mini & iMacs. They've also discontinued their cinema displays & airport & time capsule. All they seem to be really focusing on now are their iOS devices. Their annual iPhone updates are huge events. And they seem to be touting their iPads as laptop replacements. So I seriously doubt Apple will just quietly drop the new iPad pros(including a new 10.5" bezel-less model) without holding a huge event. No way. The event will either be at the end of March or on April 4th as recently rumored. 
    My God, the whining!! The majority of 'pro' users can get a 27" 5K iMac fully loaded with 4 GHz i7, 32 GB Ram, 1 TB Flash, and 4 GB Video for $3,600, add multiple screens and external hard drives, and be just fine. Apple doesn't care about the EXTREME pro users because there are maybe a thousand of those in the US - hardly enough to dedicate development time toward. So buy a fully loaded iMac or move to Windows.
    Yeah, stop the whining.
    Buy the almost 2 year old overpriced hardware or switch to windows.

    Your "fully loaded" iMac was last updated in october of 2015 yet it still costs the same.
    The GPU in that machine is a joke, the CPU is fifth gen, not even sixth, we are at seven right now, flash is overpriced as usual and forget futureproof because it doesn't even have usb-c yet.

    Clearly Apple doesn't give a shit about not even mid level pro users any more or they would update their fucking desktops at least every year.

    So don't give people crap about complaining because they have every reason to.
    And for your suggestion to move to windows I have done that because I need a workstation and this is beyond anything apple sells right now.
    BUT I would love to come back to OSX.

    At the end of the day, the people who complain are Apple lovers, not haters.
    I'm kind of curious what type of performance difference there is running OSX on the dated Mac hardware as opposed to running it under VMWare Workstation (with patch) on a Linux host machine with all the latest and greatest hardware.
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