Netflix considers mobile specific versions of original content

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Netflix may make it even easier for its subscribers using iPhones to follow its original content in the future, an executive for the streaming service has revealed, advising that the firm is currently exploring the possibility of making mobile device-specific versions of its shows.




Due to having a smaller screen compared to a television or a notebook, the framing of some shots are sometimes harder to see on smartphones, making the experience less immersive or difficult to follow visually. A second version of the same show, possibly using alternate shots or different cropping, could help alleviate this issue for mobile users, while still keeping the rest of the content's components intact, such as speech and pacing.

Chief product officer Neil Hunt told The Verge the company is looking into using a different or reframed shots for content due to the increased usage of mobile devices to view the platform's shows and films.

"It's not inconceivable that you could take a master and make a different cut for mobile," said Hunt. While Netflix has yet to offer different cuts of content to its users as yet, Hunt said "it's something we will explore over the next few years."

Hunt's remarks were made during a two-day event at Dolby Laboratories and Netflix's headquarters in preparation for the release of Iron Fist, a new Netflix show that will be available to subscribers on Friday. Also during the event, executives from both companies talked about high dynamic range (HDR) content, and how it could help improve the experience for mobile users, as well as those with compatible televisions.

A mobile-friendly cut of content is not the only way Netflix is working to make its service more accessible to those with smaller screens. During Mobile World Congress, it demonstrated a "Dynamic Optimizer" that analyzes video to compress it as much as possible, while retaining the picture quality, in order to provide those with slower broadband or cellular connections a better quality of video stream.

In December last year, Netflix expanded its encoding capabilities with "chunk analysis," analyzing minutes of material to optimize the compression further, in order to minimize the amount of storage used for Netflix's offline mode.

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  • Reply 1 of 19
    Netflix is also changing the user ratings system: http://ew.com/tv/2017/03/16/netflix-star-ratings/
  • Reply 2 of 19
    jSnivelyjSnively Posts: 429administrator

    Chief product officer Neil Hunt told The Verge the company is looking into using a different or reframed shots for content due to the increased usage of mobile devices to view the platform's shows and films.

    I know it's probably not, but this better not be marketing speak for vertical video! 😰
    mike1
  • Reply 3 of 19
    jSnively said:

    Chief product officer Neil Hunt told The Verge the company is looking into using a different or reframed shots for content due to the increased usage of mobile devices to view the platform's shows and films.

    I know it's probably not, but this better not be marketing speak for vertical video! ߘবt;br>
    I hate vertical video  People who love to shoot in vertical video needs to see this video looped non stop for a week:  
    edited March 2017 jSnivelyStrangeDaysmissiongreyspacekid
  • Reply 4 of 19
    MacProMacPro Posts: 19,727member
    jSnively said:

    Chief product officer Neil Hunt told The Verge the company is looking into using a different or reframed shots for content due to the increased usage of mobile devices to view the platform's shows and films.

    I know it's probably not, but this better not be marketing speak for vertical video! 😰
    LOL.  Well when you see how many idiots hold an iPhone video vertically to shoot video you have to wonder don't you.
  • Reply 5 of 19
    irelandireland Posts: 17,798member
    Apple makes shark tank.
    edited March 2017
  • Reply 6 of 19
    lolliverlolliver Posts: 494member
    I'm not sure a different cut/framing of a show is required for mobile. If I am watching a show while holding my phone right in front of me versus sitting on the couch across from a 52inch TV there isn't much difference. If the TV was larger that would be different of course. But are they going to start making different cuts of the show to view on smaller TV sets?


    I've never thought while watching a Netflix show on iPhone that it was difficult to see...
    mike1
  • Reply 7 of 19
    StrangeDaysStrangeDays Posts: 12,877member
    ireland said:
    Apple makes shark tank.
    Are you referring to Planet? What is your point?
    lolliverpscooter63
  • Reply 8 of 19
    macseeker said:
    jSnively said:

    Chief product officer Neil Hunt told The Verge the company is looking into using a different or reframed shots for content due to the increased usage of mobile devices to view the platform's shows and films.

    I know it's probably not, but this better not be marketing speak for vertical video! ߘবt;br>
    I hate vertical video  People who love to shoot in vertical video needs to see this video looped non stop for a week:  
    Thank you! 
  • Reply 9 of 19
    spacekidspacekid Posts: 183member
    What could go wrong with this idea.
  • Reply 10 of 19
    mike1mike1 Posts: 3,284member
    I have no problem with the idea, IF the original creators of the content also develop the alternate content. I do have a problem if Netflix decides to re-cut all the material they offer (if they were even allowed), without the creators input and/or approval. That would just result in butchering of the original art. Think about how bad Pan and Scan videos were. Half the movie was missing, because some people would complain that there were black bars at the top and bottom of the screen. Not to mention colorizing black and white TV shows and films. Ugh!

  • Reply 11 of 19
    AppleZuluAppleZulu Posts: 2,007member
    Hey it's like the Duophonic simulated stereo for the twenty-first century!
  • Reply 12 of 19
    The problem with vertical video isn't that they exist, it's that viewing software handles them poorly.  There are some videos (e.g., interviews with a person) that make perfect sense as being in portrait mode.  When viewing such videos on a phone (as most social media videos are nowadays), it should be full screen, period.  The whole "movie screens and TV screens have always been horizontal" is a silly argument.  More and more of today's screen time is done on screens that are vertical.  Times change.

    Having said, that I don't want to watch a movie or TV show in portrait orientation, so I'm pretty sure this isn't what Netflix is talking about.  I think they are just pointing out that like the transition from 4x3 TV screens to wide angle a generation ago, mobile devices are introducing new screen ratios.
  • Reply 13 of 19
    tallest skiltallest skil Posts: 43,388member
    Due to having a smaller screen compared to a television or a notebook, the framing of some shots are sometimes harder to see on smartphones, making the experience less immersive or difficult to follow visually. A second version of the same show, possibly using alternate shots or different cropping, could help alleviate this issue for mobile users, while still keeping the rest of the content's components intact, such as speech and pacing. 
    This is psychotic.
    macseeker said:
    Netflix is also changing the user ratings system: http://ew.com/tv/2017/03/16/netflix-star-ratings/
    And that’s just fucking hilarious. Some leftist woman cried about her show being garbage and now people can’t rate their content accurately in ANY respect. Honestly, there should be ratings out of 100, but we don’t even get out of 5 anymore. How long before Rotten Tomatoes stops aggregating and just gives a thumb up or thumb down?
    cali
  • Reply 14 of 19
    calicali Posts: 3,494member
    macseeker said:
    jSnively said:

    Chief product officer Neil Hunt told The Verge the company is looking into using a different or reframed shots for content due to the increased usage of mobile devices to view the platform's shows and films.

    I know it's probably not, but this better not be marketing speak for vertical video! ߘবt;br>
    I hate vertical video  People who love to shoot in vertical video needs to see this video looped non stop for a week:  
    It's amazing how much apple changed the video industry. Vertical video wasn't a thing before Apple and I have to laugh every time I see a vertical display in stores and arcades. 
  • Reply 15 of 19
    calicali Posts: 3,494member
    Due to having a smaller screen compared to a television or a notebook, the framing of some shots are sometimes harder to see on smartphones, making the experience less immersive or difficult to follow visually. A second version of the same show, possibly using alternate shots or different cropping, could help alleviate this issue for mobile users, while still keeping the rest of the content's components intact, such as speech and pacing. 
    This is psychotic.
    macseeker said:
    Netflix is also changing the user ratings system: http://ew.com/tv/2017/03/16/netflix-star-ratings/
    And that’s just fucking hilarious. Some leftist woman cried about her show being garbage and now people can’t rate their content accurately in ANY respect. Honestly, there should be ratings out of 100, but we don’t even get out of 5 anymore. How long before Rotten Tomatoes stops aggregating and just gives a thumb up or thumb down?
    The problem with numbers and stars is people don't want to think. If someone likes something they will rate it 5 stars. If they don't they'll rate it 1 star, there's no critical thinking. This is why more sites etc. are adopting thumbs up/down. Have you seen App Store reviews?! A Mario clone will get 5 stars because "it reminds me of Mario". Other apps wil get 1 star because "please add support for panoramic view and I'll give 5 star!!!!!!!"
    edited March 2017 tallest skil
  • Reply 16 of 19
    tallest skiltallest skil Posts: 43,388member
    cali said:
    The problem with numbers and stars is people don't want to think.
    It's one of the more depressing things about modernity. Not voting systems on the Internet; people's laziness.
  • Reply 17 of 19
    entropysentropys Posts: 4,166member
    Actually, why does vertical video exist? Isnt it the same lens whether it is held horizontal or vertical? Is it actually not round, but a lozenge? Or is it the sensor?
    edited March 2017
  • Reply 18 of 19
    MarvinMarvin Posts: 15,322moderator
    entropys said:
    Actually, why does vertical video exist? Isnt it the same lens whether it is held horizontal or vertical? Is it actually not round, but a lozenge? Or is it the sensor?
    The sensors are rectangular:

    http://www.cameradebate.com/2014/what-is-iphone-6-camera-image-sensor-size-rear-main-camera/
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image_sensor_format
    https://petapixel.com/2011/11/04/why-dslrs-use-a-different-aspect-ratio-than-most-digital-cameras/
    https://www.quora.com/Why-is-the-camera-lens-circular-but-the-image-sensor-is-rectangle-in-shape


    Image result for camera sensor

    Aspect ratio is 4:3 in digital cameras so in portrait the sensor is taller than wide. Forcing horizontal video just crops the data and would use about half the sensor so quite a lot of quality loss. There are apps that do this:



    Square sensors would be better. It would still have to shrink the frame on an angle if it was maintaining the orientation but would be the same size in portrait as landscape.

    http://theonlinephotographer.typepad.com/the_online_photographer/2012/01/why-not-square-sensors.html
    http://www.earthboundlight.com/phototips/why-not-square-format-sensor.html
    http://image-sensors-world.blogspot.com/2014/11/is-mobile-future-square.html
    https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/26988701

    The issue is more about the framing though by coercing the users to frame the video in a way that suits widescreen aspects and cropping can be done in post-production.

    Netflix having a crop for mobile likely wouldn't be about having a vertical format because our eyes are still horizontal and it will always be best to watch horizontal video, they'd mean things like zooming in some shots so the subjects in the frame were larger. Maybe they'd have a 4:3 crop for tablet displays. I wouldn't expect there to be much special consideration for phones at all as the screens are too small to watch a lot of video on. Larger TV screens are still most widely used for movies and TV viewing:

    http://www.marketingcharts.com/television/are-young-people-watching-less-tv-24817/



    http://www.adweek.com/digital/6-ways-netflix-mobile-habits-vary-around-world-169848/

    People sign up to video services on devices but then migrate to larger screens for long-term viewing. It's best that most people view the same cut of video content where possible. The upcoming generations watch more content on PCs and mobile devices but that's probably in part due to parents watching something else on TV while they watch what they want in their bedroom and Youtube/Facebook videos are different from TV/movies. When they get their own place and own TV, they'd watch on a bigger screen. You can't have two or more people huddled round a tablet or laptop.
    Cali said:
    The problem with numbers and stars is people don't want to think. If someone likes something they will rate it 5 stars. If they don't they'll rate it 1 star, there's no critical thinking. 

    People like to feel that others share their opinion and the average ratings reflect that so they try to swing the average by voting to the extremes. This happened with the latest Call of Duty game where they spammed the downvotes on the trailer and filled the reviews with 0 ratings because they didn't like that it was set in space:

    http://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/call-of-duty-infinite-warfare/user-reviews
    http://www.metacritic.com/game/playstation-4/call-of-duty-infinite-warfare/user-reviews
    http://www.metacritic.com/game/xbox-one/call-of-duty-infinite-warfare

    The reviews jump between 0 and 10 ratings with people trying to pull the average one way or the other. Even people who played the game for over 200 hours gave it a negative vote on Steam. There's a point where the rating doesn't accurately reflect the user's experience and it's more about a sentiment they want to project. Sometimes rating systems are used to push an agenda like riding a wave of negative sentiment. People generally don't like to have unpopular opinions and online voting encourages people to move towards the extremes of their preferred groups and discussion topics because it's how they get the most likes.

    The most accurate/honest voting is upvote alone because nobody can project an agenda or anger through it. If people don't like something, they just don't vote on it and the ratio of views to likes shows the popularity. Negative feedback is useful so on things like apps, they can leave feedback comments that get aggregated for publishers to deal with. Average mid-rated reviews are the least useful because they could be from either mid ratings or even amounts of polar opposite ratings. A binary vote eliminates the first option and they force a choice whether someone liked it or not.

    The accuracy of ratings for an individual depends on whether the group leaving the ratings has on aggregate the same opinion as the person viewing the rating. It mostly works because the people who bother viewing certain content at all are going to have something in common with each other and the reactions follow that but there are times where it's completely meaningless. 1-ratings for issues that don't concern someone else make the rating useless.

    The most useful setups would be ones that tailor to the individual sort of like how e-commerce sites work. App stores can have linked groups of apps e.g divide 2 million apps into groups of 50 or so and give each app a set of group ids that they relate to. Then when someone buys an app or puts an app on a wishlist, related groups can be recommended. In discovery queues, they only need to store the group id to know what apps people have seen, which is more efficient in the database.

    - few million items, divide into groups of 10-50 e.g 40,000 groups
    - associate each item with a few of the most related group ids
    - show random mixed group to begin, people scroll through and choose the items they like and future recommendations come from the related groups
    - store viewed group ids per user to avoid duplicating the recommendations. People wouldn't typically have enough time to go through more than 100 or so groups but the filtering should quickly narrow down to what people like based on their selections in the earlier groups.

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