All-new Mac Pro with modular design, Apple-branded pro displays coming in 2018

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  • Reply 81 of 210
    "The $3,999 model gains 8 cores and dual D800 graphics cards."


    FALSE.  AI needs to think about what the words mean.  They meant to say that the $3,999 model gained 8 core configurability.  Also, this is pasted from the Apple Store: "
    Configurable to dual AMD FirePro D700, each with 6GB of GDDR5".  That's dual D700, not dual D800.  Not sure who's got the typo on that one, but when ordering online it's a D700 that's offered for an extra $600.
    edited April 4 dysamoria
  • Reply 82 of 210
    bdkennedybdkennedy Posts: 415member
    You wouldn't have to admit you were wrong, if you listened to what your customers wanted in the first place.
    argonauttallest skildysamoria
  • Reply 83 of 210
    rogifan_newrogifan_new Posts: 1,584member
    avon b7 said:
    Two things to applaud. Communication and admitting they got the design wrong.
    Read it again. They bet on parallel processing in the GPUs, but the industry didn't move there. It's not so much as the "design" being wrong, as it the prediction of industry computing trends.
    Exactly.  Industrial designers at Apple don't make a decision like this. Jony Ive didn't wake up one day and decide the Mac Pro needed to look like a trash can.
    ration al
  • Reply 84 of 210
    StrangeDaysStrangeDays Posts: 1,361member

    rfrmac said:
    Let me tell you what this shows me.  Apple has completely forgotten about the iMac, Mac Mini and Mac Pro lines for years.   When I read that something like this will not be ready until next year what else can one think?  We may get a new iMac in the Fall to Winter of this year.  Seeing is believing.  And announcements like this that are given just to try to hold the market.  But that has been it. What has Apple been doing for the last 3 now 4 years?  It certainly hasn't been doing desktop computers.  Tim? what have you been doing?  All we've heard from you is words when it comes to desktop computing.  You don't "love" the Mac.  The only reason you've started to do something now is because of competitive pressure and product linkage.  You've never really cared about the Mac users.  You're great at opening markets and distributor pipelines but you've failed miserable when it comes to computers.  The iPhone and things that hook to the iPhone are the only places I've seen an innovation in for years.  But who cares, I'm only one voice.  The  only reason many of us are still here is the operating system.  With all the billions and billions in the bank and you can't find any money for engineers and product people to really push the Mac to where it should be is a crying shame.
    Go read DF's detailed piece, he was in the room. They clearly told him iMacs this year, and they've bumping it up to cover more pro use cases because there are more pro iMac customers than MP customers. Let that soak in -- more pros are using iMacs than ever before, and way more than Mac Pros. Because they're awesome machines.
    ration alwatto_cobra
  • Reply 85 of 210
    sog35sog35 Posts: 12,367member
    sog35 said:
    sog35 said:
    sog35 said:
    So Apple is incapable of walking and chewing gun at the same time? How long does it take to design a tower that serves the market- we do not give a crap about styling. Take the Pre-Trashcan form factor and update it for the current market- that should take a small team little time.

    A company as big and well heeled as Apple should be able to serve a select small market and waste gobs of money on crap like Animated Balloons on Text Messages and Facebook integration. Serving specialty markets is common in business all the time- you do not have to make a killing on every product line. The line should have been kept up to date all along and the Black Trashcan was a tragic mistake.

    In Medicine, Hospitals and Clinics commonly offer necessary services that are break even at best because it is in the best interest of the customers. Mammography is a prime example- unless you do huge volume you will never make a dime providing the service, but it is done anyhow. Apple makes truckloads on iPhones and should be able to subsidize the high end pro market.
    Comparing Apple to a Hospital....................LOLOLOOLLOLOLOLOOLOLOLOLOLOOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!!!
    I am comparing businesses. And BTW, one of the markets Apple abandoned was high end Radiology Workstations so you could have your Trashcan and Facebook integration. Pro Computers do more than edit video, compose complex music, or maintain large databases.

    Apple is a business, a Hospital is a business, an Airline is a business, a Car Company is a business. Now you might want to fix your keyboard because it is either sticking on L, O and ! or you might want to grow up.
    Again comparing Apple to a Hospital.......................LOLOLOLOOLOLOOOLOLOOOLOLLOLOLOOOLLLOOL!!!!

    I'm sorry but you have no idea what you are talking about if you think the business Apple runs is even comparable to a hospital.
    But Apple, IBM, etc. sell Macs and iDevices to hospitals, airlines... And apparently some Mac Pros and lots of maxed-out iMacs to IT in those businesses... if only for code development.

    That wasn't the point. DavidAlGreogory's point is that Apple should run there BUSINESS like a hospital. Which is totally and utterly ridiculous and ignorant.

    He said Hospitals run machinery that loses them money to serve a niche customer group and he expects Apple to do the same. He expects Apple to run its business like St Mary's Hospital. Ridiculous.
    No, his point is that Apple is a business -- not the same business as a hospital -- but a business, nonetheless!

    Apple realizes that there is great potential to sell Macs and iDevices to businesses (including hospitals) -- hence Apple's partnerships with IBM, Cisco, SAP...

    http://www.cio.com/article/3078053/ios/apples-enterprise-partnerships-big-and-small-start-to-pay-off.html

    Because it doesn't jibe with your one-size-fits-all vision of the future doesn't make it untrue.

    No that was not his point. Did you even read his original comment that I LOL over? Well here it is:

    "In Medicine, Hospitals and Clinics commonly offer necessary services that are break even at best because it is in the best interest of the customers. Mammography is a prime example- unless you do huge volume you will never make a dime providing the service, but it is done anyhow. Apple makes truckloads on iPhones and should be able to subsidize the high end pro market."

    So he's saying that since hospitals are willing to lose money on niche customers so should Apple. That is RIDICULOUS.  Apple is NOT a hospital.  Hospitals key core values is suppose to save lives. Apple is not in that business. 

    So saying Apple should run their Business like the Mayo Clinic is BEYOND IDIOTIC.
    StrangeDays
  • Reply 86 of 210
    StrangeDaysStrangeDays Posts: 1,361member

    sog35 said:
    sog35 said:
    So Apple is incapable of walking and chewing gun at the same time? How long does it take to design a tower that serves the market- we do not give a crap about styling. Take the Pre-Trashcan form factor and update it for the current market- that should take a small team little time.

    A company as big and well heeled as Apple should be able to serve a select small market and waste gobs of money on crap like Animated Balloons on Text Messages and Facebook integration. Serving specialty markets is common in business all the time- you do not have to make a killing on every product line. The line should have been kept up to date all along and the Black Trashcan was a tragic mistake.

    In Medicine, Hospitals and Clinics commonly offer necessary services that are break even at best because it is in the best interest of the customers. Mammography is a prime example- unless you do huge volume you will never make a dime providing the service, but it is done anyhow. Apple makes truckloads on iPhones and should be able to subsidize the high end pro market.
    Comparing Apple to a Hospital....................LOLOLOOLLOLOLOLOOLOLOLOLOLOOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!!!
    I am comparing businesses. And BTW, one of the markets Apple abandoned was high end Radiology Workstations so you could have your Trashcan and Facebook integration. Pro Computers do more than edit video, compose complex music, or maintain large databases.

    Apple is a business, a Hospital is a business, an Airline is a business, a Car Company is a business. Now you might want to fix your keyboard because it is either sticking on L, O and ! or you might want to grow up.
    Again comparing Apple to a Hospital.......................LOLOLOLOOLOLOOOLOLOOOLOLLOLOLOOOLLLOOL!!!!

    I'm sorry but you have no idea what you are talking about if you think the business Apple runs is even comparable to a hospital.
    But Apple, IBM, etc. sell Macs and iDevices to hospitals, airlines... And apparently some Mac Pros and lots of maxed-out iMacs to IT in those businesses... if only for code development.

    Irrelevant. The guy was trying to say Apple should subsidize poorly-selling product lines with its other business, in the same way that hospitals perform mammograms despite them not being profitable. Pretty hard to argue a PC maker should act as if it's treating cancer patients....it's absurd.
    ration alwatto_cobra
  • Reply 87 of 210
    MacProMacPro Posts: 16,189member
    teapot360 said:
    Finally!

    This is just a stop gap until the real upgrades.  The bad news this move just devalued all existing models for folks planning to sell and buy the real upgraded MacPros.

    bluefire1
  • Reply 88 of 210
    StrangeDaysStrangeDays Posts: 1,361member

    sog35 said:
    rfrmac said:
    Let me tell you what this shows me.  Apple has completely forgotten about the iMac, Mac Mini and Mac Pro lines for years.   When I read that something like this will not be ready until next year what else can one think?  We may get a new iMac in the Fall to Winter of this year.  Seeing is believing.  And announcements like this that are given just to try to hold the market.  But that has been it. What has Apple been doing for the last 3 now 4 years?  It certainly hasn't been doing desktop computers.  Tim? what have you been doing?  All we've heard from you is words when it comes to desktop computing.  You don't "love" the Mac.  The only reason you've started to do something now is because of competitive pressure and product linkage.  You've never really cared about the Mac users.  You're great at opening markets and distributor pipelines but you've failed miserable when it comes to computers.  The iPhone and things that hook to the iPhone are the only places I've seen an innovation in for years.  But who cares, I'm only one voice.  The  only reason many of us are still here is the operating system.  With all the billions and billions in the bank and you can't find any money for engineers and product people to really push the Mac to where it should be is a crying shame.
    The Mac is a DYING and SHRINKING platform. PERIOD. 

    There is no way you can deny it.

    Has Cook let the Mac line rot? Yes. And he had a good reason. Because the Mac is not the future. iPad/iPhone/Wearables are the future. So don't expect Apple to put large resources into the Mac. It just isn't worth it.

    Its like investing big money into a cruise ship that is sinking. Facts are facts. Less and less people are using PC's everyday. 10 years from now PC use will be about half of what it was at peak PC. 

    Yes, Apple is updating some Macs the next 2 years. But the only reason they are doing that is to ease the transition from Mac to iOS. In 10 years its pretty much undisputable that the Mac will be just like the iPod today.
    Wrong. Mac sales grew in 2016 and have been growing in general. From the people in the room (DF):

    "My takeaway is that the Mac’s future is bright. Mac sales were up in 2016, once again outpacing the PC industry as a whole, and the new MacBook Pros are a hit, with sales up “about 20 percent” year over year. The Mac is a $25 billion business for Apple annually, and according to the company there are 100 million people in the active Mac user base worldwide.

    Yes, those numbers are all peanuts compared to the iPhone, but everything is peanuts compared to the iPhone.

    Ternus put it plainly: “Some of our most talented folks are working on [the Mac]. I mean, quite frankly, a lot of this company, if not most of this company, runs on Macs. This is a company full of pro Mac users.”"

    http://daringfireball.net/2017/04/the_mac_pro_lives

    edited April 4 ration alwatto_cobradysamoria
  • Reply 89 of 210
    sog35sog35 Posts: 12,367member
    bdkennedy said:
    You wouldn't have to admit you were wrong, if you listened to what your customers wanted in the first place.
    All 200,000 of them......................that's how many Mac Pro's Apple sells a year.

    Such a ridiculously small group of customers. Of course Apple won't waste much time or energy on such a small group of customers.

    This move by Apple is more about Public Relations than anything else.
    edited April 4
  • Reply 90 of 210
    hmurchisonhmurchison Posts: 11,932member
    For me it's good new all around.    I've outgrown the iMac and want a Mac that will last years.  Waiting a year is better than not knowing if/when it's coming. 
    ration aldysamoria
  • Reply 91 of 210
    calicali Posts: 2,965member
    I feel like a March event was skipped that was supposed to announce the new iPads, iMac's and this Mac Pro announcement, Maybe more.
    watto_cobra
  • Reply 92 of 210
    StrangeDaysStrangeDays Posts: 1,361member

    So Schiller is basically saying Apple made a mistake without using that word. I'm a little surprised it took them this long but saying you screwed up is not easy.
    Yeah, I can't remember you saying it either after all the years posting off-base conspiracy theories about Apple trying to screw you with malicious intent. I guess it is hard to say.
    I'm not sure what this announcement has to do with me.
    Nothing. I'm referring to the act of admitting when you're wrong, which you criticized in my quote. And I'm pointing out that yes, it must be hard because we never hear you say it after your cases of being wrong, either.
    brucemcwatto_cobra
  • Reply 93 of 210
    sog35sog35 Posts: 12,367member

    sog35 said:
    rfrmac said:
    Let me tell you what this shows me.  Apple has completely forgotten about the iMac, Mac Mini and Mac Pro lines for years.   When I read that something like this will not be ready until next year what else can one think?  We may get a new iMac in the Fall to Winter of this year.  Seeing is believing.  And announcements like this that are given just to try to hold the market.  But that has been it. What has Apple been doing for the last 3 now 4 years?  It certainly hasn't been doing desktop computers.  Tim? what have you been doing?  All we've heard from you is words when it comes to desktop computing.  You don't "love" the Mac.  The only reason you've started to do something now is because of competitive pressure and product linkage.  You've never really cared about the Mac users.  You're great at opening markets and distributor pipelines but you've failed miserable when it comes to computers.  The iPhone and things that hook to the iPhone are the only places I've seen an innovation in for years.  But who cares, I'm only one voice.  The  only reason many of us are still here is the operating system.  With all the billions and billions in the bank and you can't find any money for engineers and product people to really push the Mac to where it should be is a crying shame.
    The Mac is a DYING and SHRINKING platform. PERIOD. 

    There is no way you can deny it.

    Has Cook let the Mac line rot? Yes. And he had a good reason. Because the Mac is not the future. iPad/iPhone/Wearables are the future. So don't expect Apple to put large resources into the Mac. It just isn't worth it.

    Its like investing big money into a cruise ship that is sinking. Facts are facts. Less and less people are using PC's everyday. 10 years from now PC use will be about half of what it was at peak PC. 

    Yes, Apple is updating some Macs the next 2 years. But the only reason they are doing that is to ease the transition from Mac to iOS. In 10 years its pretty much undisputable that the Mac will be just like the iPod today.
    Wrong. Mac sales grew in 2016 and have been growing in general. From the people in the room (DF):

    "My takeaway is that the Mac’s future is bright. Mac sales were up in 2016, once again outpacing the PC industry as a whole, and the new MacBook Pros are a hit, with sales up “about 20 percent” year over year. The Mac is a $25 billion business for Apple annually, and according to the company there are 100 million people in the active Mac user base worldwide.

    Yes, those numbers are all peanuts compared to the iPhone, but everything is peanuts compared to the iPhone.

    Ternus put it plainly: “Some of our most talented folks are working on [the Mac]. I mean, quite frankly, a lot of this company, if not most of this company, runs on Macs. This is a company full of pro Mac users.”"

    http://daringfireball.net/2017/04/the_mac_pro_lives

    Does not change the fact that Mac/PC is DYING and DECLINING.

    Dec2016 quarter they sold 5.7 million Macs.
    Dec2017 quarter they sold 5.4 million Macs. Unit sales are DECLINING.

    My whole point is Apple will be investing more money and time in iPhone/iPad/Wearables than Mac going forward. I'm not saying they will totally abandon the Mac. But don't expect it to get priority over iOS products.
  • Reply 94 of 210
    rogifan_newrogifan_new Posts: 1,584member



    As for an Apple-branded pro display, that announcement would appear to be an about-face for the company, after it suggested last year that it was permanently exiting the standalone monitor business
    No, they never suggested any such thing. It is an about-face for the tech media that drew its own (wrong) conclusions, as usual.
    But they allowed the notion they were out of the display business to linger on. I think had the LG display been better received Apple wouldn't be taking about new displays.
    So even tho wrong, you think you would have been right. Got it...Convenient world view.
    Huh? I really do believe if the LG display had been better received Apple might have thought twice about reviving their own display business. A lot of people besides me thought they were out of the display business for good. What's convenient is people whose opinions are Apple can never do wrong because then no matter what Apple does they're always right. ;)
  • Reply 95 of 210
    StrangeDaysStrangeDays Posts: 1,361member

    Don't adjust your TV set.  Apple refuses do something as simple as watch LinusTechTips on Youtube, among many others like Snazzy Labs, to see that 15-year-old boys and girls can build or modify Mac Pro's 3 times faster at 30% of the price.  It's true.  

    The company doesn't even support the Kaby Lake CPU — what's that, 9 months beyond its Aug 2016 release?  But tech journalists are so enamored with Apple's integration they can't take their eyes off the shiny objects & accessories to see that it is not - even with this announcement - a priority.  Anytime it humbles itself to the Apple community, loyal users swoon.  Just remember, it's a tool, it's a device.  What are your needs?  I like my MacBook Pro for traveling, teaching.  But it is NOT a 4-wheel drive in the matters of 3D rendering and Video Editing. Games.  Adobe apps, it all has an economy of scale.

    Look for yourself.  You can still have a Mac and not have to be bound to Johnny Ive's Wheelchair With Touchbar. 




    If you built a base machine today, using a Ryzen 1800 by AMD with 8 cores, 64gb of 3200 RAM, an M2 (mini ssd that delivers sequential Read/Write speeds up to 3,200 MB/s) to hold the OS and a GTX 1070 -- at $1350, you will score almost 20,000 on the Geekbench logs. (Compare to Apple's $8,000 8-core MacPro at a score of 24,000)  It is not a Mac and does not have to be.  It's an example of where technology is and where Apple's commitment is not.  The Youtube videos are proof you can make wicked fast Macs -- and they are stable.

    What Apple has done with this patronizing announcement is make a campaign promise years late. Reason? Hi-end users are not a big part of its revenue.  Don't buy into lip service like Rural America did last fall.  Question the Answer.  I'm sure even I am only scratching the surface. 
    Nice conspiracy theory dude. But the reality: MPs are only a single-digit of Apple's Mac sales. Lowered priority. Plus add in the Intel problems. 
    williamlondonlightfallstudiowatto_cobra
  • Reply 96 of 210
    StrangeDaysStrangeDays Posts: 1,361member
    avon b7 said:
    Two things to applaud. Communication and admitting they got the design wrong.
    Read it again. They bet on parallel processing in the GPUs, but the industry didn't move there. It's not so much as the "design" being wrong, as it the prediction of industry computing trends.
    Exactly.  Industrial designers at Apple don't make a decision like this. Jony Ive didn't wake up one day and decide the Mac Pro needed to look like a trash can.
    Well, at least we agree on this. 
    watto_cobra
  • Reply 97 of 210
    rogifan_newrogifan_new Posts: 1,584member
    cali said:
    I feel like a March event was skipped that was supposed to announce the new iPads, iMac's and this Mac Pro announcement, Maybe more.
    Did Apple announce any updates to the iMac today? I thought they were coming later this year.
  • Reply 97 of 210
    StrangeDaysStrangeDays Posts: 1,361member

    bdkennedy said:
    You wouldn't have to admit you were wrong, if you listened to what your customers wanted in the first place.
    Easy to snipe from the sidelines. But remember: "If I had asked my customers what they wanted, they would have told me a faster horse."

    Apple bet on parallel GPU processing. Didn't happen. Apple didn't get to be the greatest public corp in history by doing consumer surveys. They make big, bold bets. Many times they pay off. Here they didn't. Not that big of a deal since sales represent a single-digit of all Macs sold. And I doubt you even have one, despite the bitching.
    edited April 4 ration alwatto_cobra
  • Reply 99 of 210
    StrangeDaysStrangeDays Posts: 1,361member
    sog35 said:

    sog35 said:
    rfrmac said:
    Let me tell you what this shows me.  Apple has completely forgotten about the iMac, Mac Mini and Mac Pro lines for years.   When I read that something like this will not be ready until next year what else can one think?  We may get a new iMac in the Fall to Winter of this year.  Seeing is believing.  And announcements like this that are given just to try to hold the market.  But that has been it. What has Apple been doing for the last 3 now 4 years?  It certainly hasn't been doing desktop computers.  Tim? what have you been doing?  All we've heard from you is words when it comes to desktop computing.  You don't "love" the Mac.  The only reason you've started to do something now is because of competitive pressure and product linkage.  You've never really cared about the Mac users.  You're great at opening markets and distributor pipelines but you've failed miserable when it comes to computers.  The iPhone and things that hook to the iPhone are the only places I've seen an innovation in for years.  But who cares, I'm only one voice.  The  only reason many of us are still here is the operating system.  With all the billions and billions in the bank and you can't find any money for engineers and product people to really push the Mac to where it should be is a crying shame.
    The Mac is a DYING and SHRINKING platform. PERIOD. 

    There is no way you can deny it.

    Has Cook let the Mac line rot? Yes. And he had a good reason. Because the Mac is not the future. iPad/iPhone/Wearables are the future. So don't expect Apple to put large resources into the Mac. It just isn't worth it.

    Its like investing big money into a cruise ship that is sinking. Facts are facts. Less and less people are using PC's everyday. 10 years from now PC use will be about half of what it was at peak PC. 

    Yes, Apple is updating some Macs the next 2 years. But the only reason they are doing that is to ease the transition from Mac to iOS. In 10 years its pretty much undisputable that the Mac will be just like the iPod today.
    Wrong. Mac sales grew in 2016 and have been growing in general. From the people in the room (DF):

    "My takeaway is that the Mac’s future is bright. Mac sales were up in 2016, once again outpacing the PC industry as a whole, and the new MacBook Pros are a hit, with sales up “about 20 percent” year over year. The Mac is a $25 billion business for Apple annually, and according to the company there are 100 million people in the active Mac user base worldwide.

    Yes, those numbers are all peanuts compared to the iPhone, but everything is peanuts compared to the iPhone.

    Ternus put it plainly: “Some of our most talented folks are working on [the Mac]. I mean, quite frankly, a lot of this company, if not most of this company, runs on Macs. This is a company full of pro Mac users.”"

    http://daringfireball.net/2017/04/the_mac_pro_lives

    Does not change the fact that Mac/PC is DYING and DECLINING.

    Dec2016 quarter they sold 5.7 million Macs.
    Dec2017 quarter they sold 5.4 million Macs. Unit sales are DECLINING.

    My whole point is Apple will be investing more money and time in iPhone/iPad/Wearables than Mac going forward. I'm not saying they will totally abandon the Mac. But don't expect it to get priority over iOS products.
    I'm not arguing what their future priorities may be. But your claim on Mac sales is false, you've cherry picked that YoY quarter, despite the overall trend being upward:



    ...so because sales are trending upward, it is not yet fair to say they are "shrinking and dying" as you have. I could cherry pick on of the iPad declining quarters too, but that doesn't mean it's dying either.

    What is interesting is the last several spikes & dips in the two product lines seem to correlate.
    edited April 4 ration alwatto_cobradysamoria
  • Reply 100 of 210
    StrangeDaysStrangeDays Posts: 1,361member




    As for an Apple-branded pro display, that announcement would appear to be an about-face for the company, after it suggested last year that it was permanently exiting the standalone monitor business
    No, they never suggested any such thing. It is an about-face for the tech media that drew its own (wrong) conclusions, as usual.
    But they allowed the notion they were out of the display business to linger on. I think had the LG display been better received Apple wouldn't be taking about new displays.
    So even tho wrong, you think you would have been right. Got it...Convenient world view.
    Huh? I really do believe if the LG display had been better received Apple might have thought twice about reviving their own display business. A lot of people besides me thought they were out of the display business for good. What's convenient is people whose opinions are Apple can never do wrong because then no matter what Apple does they're always right. ;)
    I don't know any people with that position -- you're projecting a straw man onto me.

    It doesn't matter how many people thought what you thought -- Apple never said they were out of the display business, and it doesn't matter what you think may have happened in an alternate timeline. We live in this one. You were wrong. Not a big deal, but still a fact.
    edited April 4 watto_cobra
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