Toshiba likely to reject $27B memory business bid by Apple manufacturer Foxconn

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Toshiba may turn down a bid for its memory business by Apple manufacturer Hon Hai -- better known as Foxconn -- despite the latter being willing to outbid others by billions of dollars.




Even with nearly $27 billion on the table, Toshiba is considering rejecting Foxconn because of probable opposition from both the Japanese and U.S. governments, Bloomberg sources said on Wednesday. Though headquartered in Taiwan, Foxconn mostly operates out of China, and resistance to the company's Chinese ties could delay regulatory approvals -- something Toshiba can't afford in its current state, as it's facing over $9 billion in losses from its bankrupt U.S. nuclear division, Westinghouse.

Instead Toshiba is seriously considering lower bids, such as an $18 billion offer from another Apple supplier, U.S. chipmaker Broadcom. The Japanese government, meanwhile, is said to be organizing an offer from several local companies which would inject just $4.6 billion, but also claim only a minority stake. That would allow Toshiba to retain control of its successful memory operations while allaying concerns about the Japanese economy or national security.

While preliminary bids have been submitted, nothing is yet binding. The deadline for the next bidding round is mid-May, one source said.

Two Japanese government officials -- Chief Cabinet Secretary Yoshihide Suga, and Industry Minister Hiroshige Seko -- have confirmed that the government is hoping to protect its interests in any deal.

"As a general principle, there would be a requirement to examine any deal under the foreign exchange law," Suga added.

Some of Toshiba's resistance to Foxconn is said to stem from the takeover of another Japanese Apple supplier, Sharp, in 2016. Foxconn chairman Terry Gou likewise made a high bid to force talks, but then lowered his offer shortly before a deal was finalized.

The other major player for Toshiba's memory business is South Korea's SK Hynix, itself an Apple memory supplier, which has already submitted a bid but is trying to recruit Japanese investors to quell political obstacles.

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  • Reply 1 of 9
    kent909kent909 Posts: 731member

    Just another case of the free market working.
  • Reply 2 of 9
    I can possibly understand the reasoning, but that's a huge amount of money to be rejecting. I really don't want to see that business falling into Amazon or Google's hands. I'm unsure very many companies have as deep as pockets as those two do. Apple's pockets are deep and Apple should be able to pony up $18B. This is a game of chess and whether the business is a perfect fit or not for Apple, they really need to block rivals from getting it. Apple needs another business and this should be as good as any considering the future demand for memory. Apple is already struggling to hold up its value by being called a one-trick pony. Apple might as well get itself another trick while it's available.
    watto_cobra
  • Reply 3 of 9
    Rayz2016Rayz2016 Posts: 6,957member
    I can possibly understand the reasoning, but that's a huge amount of money to be rejecting. I really don't want to see that business falling into Amazon or Google's hands. I'm unsure very many companies have as deep as pockets as those two do. Apple's pockets are deep and Apple should be able to pony up $18B. This is a game of chess and whether the business is a perfect fit or not for Apple, they really need to block rivals from getting it. Apple needs another business and this should be as good as any considering the future demand for memory. Apple is already struggling to hold up its value by being called a one-trick pony. Apple might as well get itself another trick while it's available.
    Apple should not make acquisitions to shift the share price. It's a dumb move (known throughout the finance world as 'sogging your share price') and usually produces a short term blip in return for years of pain and embarrassment that lasts until you can  get shot of the lame donkey for a fraction of the price you paid for it. 
    lolliver
  • Reply 4 of 9
    wizard69wizard69 Posts: 13,377member
    sog35 said:
    Apple should just buy it.

    Why not?
    Apple can't even manage the Mac line, how do you expect them to manage a memory business?
    xTradaTrade
  • Reply 5 of 9
    wizard69wizard69 Posts: 13,377member

    Rayz2016 said:
    I can possibly understand the reasoning, but that's a huge amount of money to be rejecting. I really don't want to see that business falling into Amazon or Google's hands. I'm unsure very many companies have as deep as pockets as those two do. Apple's pockets are deep and Apple should be able to pony up $18B. This is a game of chess and whether the business is a perfect fit or not for Apple, they really need to block rivals from getting it. Apple needs another business and this should be as good as any considering the future demand for memory. Apple is already struggling to hold up its value by being called a one-trick pony. Apple might as well get itself another trick while it's available.
    Apple should not make acquisitions to shift the share price. It's a dumb move (known throughout the finance world as 'sogging your share price') and usually produces a short term blip in return for years of pain and embarrassment that lasts until you can  get shot of the lame donkey for a fraction of the price you paid for it. 
    Well ideally the purchase would allow expansion of the company.    The real problem is that RAM ins't a real profitable business, there has been much consolidation over the last few years.   The other problem is how long into the future is dynamic RAM going to be around.  18 Billion just seems like way to much to pay.
  • Reply 6 of 9
    maestro64maestro64 Posts: 5,043member
    It would not be in Apple best interest to have Foxconn owning these assets, you do not want your CM controlling the supply of part for your product. May companies allow Foxconn to buy part on the open market and Memory is usually one of those items, why, because pricing fluctuates all the time and CM like Foxconn and make some good money on the spread. Companies like Apple buy direct and never let the CM in the middle, they will screw ever time. Plus memory all the time is on allocation, unless you are talking directly to the supplier you are not going get supply.
  • Reply 7 of 9
    maestro64maestro64 Posts: 5,043member
    wizard69 said:

    Rayz2016 said:
    I can possibly understand the reasoning, but that's a huge amount of money to be rejecting. I really don't want to see that business falling into Amazon or Google's hands. I'm unsure very many companies have as deep as pockets as those two do. Apple's pockets are deep and Apple should be able to pony up $18B. This is a game of chess and whether the business is a perfect fit or not for Apple, they really need to block rivals from getting it. Apple needs another business and this should be as good as any considering the future demand for memory. Apple is already struggling to hold up its value by being called a one-trick pony. Apple might as well get itself another trick while it's available.
    Apple should not make acquisitions to shift the share price. It's a dumb move (known throughout the finance world as 'sogging your share price') and usually produces a short term blip in return for years of pain and embarrassment that lasts until you can  get shot of the lame donkey for a fraction of the price you paid for it. 
    Well ideally the purchase would allow expansion of the company.    The real problem is that RAM ins't a real profitable business, there has been much consolidation over the last few years.   The other problem is how long into the future is dynamic RAM going to be around.  18 Billion just seems like way to much to pay.


    Most of Toshiba's memory business if Flash not DRAM, Samsung and Mircon are the big DRAM guys today. SanDisk and Toshiba have a JV for Flash, SanDisk always got the first crack at new flash technology which then trickle down to Toshiba over time.

    Even with that, Why would apple want a Flash Foundary and design house, Right now they can pick from Toshiba, SanDisk, Micron or Samsung, they can always jump to the company with the latest tech as required. If they own their own, they are kind of stuck.

  • Reply 8 of 9
    Rayz2016 said:
    I can possibly understand the reasoning, but that's a huge amount of money to be rejecting. I really don't want to see that business falling into Amazon or Google's hands. I'm unsure very many companies have as deep as pockets as those two do. Apple's pockets are deep and Apple should be able to pony up $18B. This is a game of chess and whether the business is a perfect fit or not for Apple, they really need to block rivals from getting it. Apple needs another business and this should be as good as any considering the future demand for memory. Apple is already struggling to hold up its value by being called a one-trick pony. Apple might as well get itself another trick while it's available.
    Apple should not make acquisitions to shift the share price. It's a dumb move (known throughout the finance world as 'sogging your share price') and usually produces a short term blip in return for years of pain and embarrassment that lasts until you can  get shot of the lame donkey for a fraction of the price you paid for it. 
    Second this. Unless it's for some key patents and technologies, numbers don't add up. When you just need the baby, why want labor pains?
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