Amazon working on mobile messaging service to rival Apple Messages

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in General Discussion edited July 2017
Amazon last week began querying customers over potential features they would like to see included in a new mobile messaging platform called "Anytime," which according to reports boasts text and video chat, voice calling, group tasks and social networking functionality.




Surveys seen by existing customers include slides explaining the service and seem to suggest Anytime is close to launch, reports AFTVNews. Like other standalone messaging platforms, Amazon's foray is expected to make a debut on both iOS and Android.

From images seen by the blog, Anytime appears to be an all-in-one messaging solution that incorporates social networking elements. For example, encrypted text, video and voice chats are accompanied by public photo and video sharing features with "@" mentions, filters and special effects, all staples of services like Instagram and Twitter.

Anytime will also fold in group features like playing games, listening to music, ordering food and sharing location data, the report said. Being an Amazon product, the platform is intrinsically tied to commerce and is expected to facilitate communication with businesses, place reservations at restaurants and order items through Amazon's internet shopping portal.

How Amazon expects to integrate contacts is unknown, though an informational slide says users can get in touch with other people "just using their name." Phone numbers are apparently not required, suggesting Amazon will have users sign up for the service using email credentials or piggyback on to existing social networks and messaging apps.

Amazon might be building off its Chime video conferencing service, a cross-platform product that launched earlier this year for enterprise users. Alternatively, Anytime could borrow from Alexa's recently released messaging and calling features.

The features tipped by Amazon's survey line up closely with new functionality coming to iPhone and iPad with iOS 11. Apple is adding a slew of new assets with the upcoming operating system including photo filters and special effects powered by advanced computer vision technology, social music sharing via Apple Music, iCloud syncing for Messages, one-to-one Apple Pay payments and much more.
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  • Reply 1 of 62
    zimmermannzimmermann Posts: 325member
    I WhatsApp as the winner messaging app in the Netherlands. 
  • Reply 2 of 62
    jameskatt2jameskatt2 Posts: 720member
    Apple Messages is one Apple service that is extremely sticky.

    One reason is that it works on all of your Apple devices - iPhones, iPads, Macs. If you call or video-call a person with your iPhone to their iPhone, they can seamlessly answer on the iPhone, iPad, or Mac.  Apple's system will route through the internet and will do it with end-to-end encryption. You can't do that why any other messaging system.  

    Google tried to create a messaging system to attract Apple customers. But it is only available on iOS.

    Only Microsoft has created a similar system since Skype works on PCs, Macs and iPhone.  But Microsoft no longer does phones - leaving a huge part of the market to its competitors. And only Skype for Business has end-to-end encryption. 


    watto_cobrajbdragonlostkiwi
  • Reply 3 of 62
    amazon should stop the nonsense and focus on their core services. its 2017 and its a bloody nightmare trying to figure out which sellers sell to your country through amazon. P.S. no amazon you can not complete with apple messages coz you dont have the billion devices apple has with messages enabled out of the box! oh and nobody will stop using messenger, viber, whats app coz you decided to do a messages app.
    edited July 2017 watto_cobraanton zuykovrandominternetpersonlostkiwi
  • Reply 4 of 62
    SoliSoli Posts: 10,035member
    At first I thought "why?" but then I realized that they recently offered messaging as a new feature for Alexa so they must have built something for that, plus most of their customer service is message-based, so why the hell not. Since they don't offer phones or traditional PCs I doubt it will ever be as popular as iMessage and I can't see a path to compete with What's App, FB Messenger, and others, but we should keep in mind that messaging services have a long history of rising and falling in spectacular ways. At this point it's probably very little investment because of the aforementioned efforts to add the great, but limited, service to Alaxa recently.


    Apple Messages is one Apple service that is extremely sticky.

    One reason is that it works on all of your Apple devices - iPhones, iPads, Macs. If you call or video-call a person with your iPhone to their iPhone, they can seamlessly answer on the iPhone, iPad, or Mac.  Apple's system will route through the internet and will do it with end-to-end encryption. You can't do that why any other messaging system.
    It's off topic for this article, but I would like to see HomePod allow for text and calls to answered and made via the device, which cellular calls piggybacking on your iPhone connection. This is an area where Amazon can't do what Apple can do in this space. It would be even more convenient than hands-free calling in the car. The Apple TV could even display caller info or text messages if you didn't want to listen her the service read back comment. Lots of potential with Apple that others can't match.
    watto_cobralostkiwi
  • Reply 5 of 62
    But Microsoft no longer does phones.


    Don't say that in front of anyone from MS. Their Windows 10 for Phones is going to take over the world... once every computer is running Windows 10 and ....
    :)
    watto_cobralkruppjbdragon
  • Reply 6 of 62
    sflocalsflocal Posts: 6,093member
    Amazon is like Google in that it's building as much crap as they can in the hope something sticks.

    This will fail, or at most will be just a barely-used curiosity.  Stop wasting time and money and work on your core services.  It's amazing that this company barely makes a profit, yet still has a stock-price that in no way correlates to any kind of reality that we live in.
    watto_cobraanton zuykovStrangeDays2old4funpalomine
  • Reply 7 of 62
    irelandireland Posts: 17,798member
    And on release it’ll be available on more platforms than iMessage.
    williamlondontechprod1gy
  • Reply 8 of 62
    croprcropr Posts: 1,124member
    Apple Messages is one Apple service that is extremely sticky.

    One reason is that it works on all of your Apple devices - iPhones, iPads, Macs. If you call or video-call a person with your iPhone to their iPhone, they can seamlessly answer on the iPhone, iPad, or Mac.  Apple's system will route through the internet and will do it with end-to-end encryption. You can't do that why any other messaging system.  

    This is only true if you live in a country with a considerable iPhone market share.  In my home country  iMessage is nothing more than a simple SMS texting app.  The chance that my correspondents do not have an iPhone is too high, so I don't bother to use the additional features iMessage have on top of a normal SMS service.
  • Reply 9 of 62
    radarthekatradarthekat Posts: 3,842moderator
    cropr said:
    Apple Messages is one Apple service that is extremely sticky.

    One reason is that it works on all of your Apple devices - iPhones, iPads, Macs. If you call or video-call a person with your iPhone to their iPhone, they can seamlessly answer on the iPhone, iPad, or Mac.  Apple's system will route through the internet and will do it with end-to-end encryption. You can't do that why any other messaging system.  

    This is only true if you live in a country with a considerable iPhone market share.  In my home country  iMessage is nothing more than a simple SMS texting app.  The chance that my correspondents do not have an iPhone is too high, so I don't bother to use the additional features iMessage have on top of a normal SMS service.
    Likewise, in much of the world Amazon's Anytime messaging service will not be able to provide the commerce capabilities that make it profitable to Amazon.  I'm living in the Philippines and pretty much only us expats even know Amazon exists.  There are copycat online marketplaces left and right, however.  
    edited July 2017 jbdragonlostkiwi
  • Reply 10 of 62
    macxpressmacxpress Posts: 5,808member
    I see they worked extremely hard on that logo...its just the macOS messages logo flipped around and colored green. lol
    jeffharrisStrangeDaysdoozydozenwatto_cobra
  • Reply 11 of 62
    croprcropr Posts: 1,124member
    cropr said:
    Apple Messages is one Apple service that is extremely sticky.

    One reason is that it works on all of your Apple devices - iPhones, iPads, Macs. If you call or video-call a person with your iPhone to their iPhone, they can seamlessly answer on the iPhone, iPad, or Mac.  Apple's system will route through the internet and will do it with end-to-end encryption. You can't do that why any other messaging system.  

    This is only true if you live in a country with a considerable iPhone market share.  In my home country  iMessage is nothing more than a simple SMS texting app.  The chance that my correspondents do not have an iPhone is too high, so I don't bother to use the additional features iMessage have on top of a normal SMS service.
    Likewise, in much of the world Amazon's Anytime messaging service will not be able to provide the commerce capabilities that make it profitable to Amazon.  I'm living in the Philippines and pretty much only us expats even know Amazon exists.  There are copycat online marketplaces left and right, however.  
    Fully agreed.
  • Reply 12 of 62
    avon b7avon b7 Posts: 7,667member
    Apple Messages is one Apple service that is extremely sticky.

    One reason is that it works on all of your Apple devices - iPhones, iPads, Macs. If you call or video-call a person with your iPhone to their iPhone, they can seamlessly answer on the iPhone, iPad, or Mac.  Apple's system will route through the internet and will do it with end-to-end encryption. You can't do that why any other messaging system.  

    Google tried to create a messaging system to attract Apple customers. But it is only available on iOS.

    Only Microsoft has created a similar system since Skype works on PCs, Macs and iPhone.  But Microsoft no longer does phones - leaving a huge part of the market to its competitors. And only Skype for Business has end-to-end encryption. 


    Apple's system is only Apple. While it may make sense for Apple users, it isn't universal enough to crack the IM market.

    It's worth noting that WhatsApp has a desktop application and a web interface. Outside China, WhatsApp is the defacto standard with Line and Telegram as most people's backup.
    airnerd
  • Reply 13 of 62
    spacekidspacekid Posts: 183member
    If Amazon has a similar product as iMessage with strong encryption but works on iOS and Android devices, it should do well. I suspect it won't integrate well with iOS apps though, probably as a result of Apple restrictions.
    airnerd
  • Reply 14 of 62
    More like they are trying to compete with “business chat” that’s coming out in iOS 11
    lostkiwiwatto_cobra
  • Reply 15 of 62
    mike1mike1 Posts: 3,284member
    avon b7 said:
    Apple Messages is one Apple service that is extremely sticky.

    One reason is that it works on all of your Apple devices - iPhones, iPads, Macs. If you call or video-call a person with your iPhone to their iPhone, they can seamlessly answer on the iPhone, iPad, or Mac.  Apple's system will route through the internet and will do it with end-to-end encryption. You can't do that why any other messaging system.  

    Google tried to create a messaging system to attract Apple customers. But it is only available on iOS.

    Only Microsoft has created a similar system since Skype works on PCs, Macs and iPhone.  But Microsoft no longer does phones - leaving a huge part of the market to its competitors. And only Skype for Business has end-to-end encryption. 


    Apple's system is only Apple. While it may make sense for Apple users, it isn't universal enough to crack the IM market.

    It's worth noting that WhatsApp has a desktop application and a web interface. Outside China, WhatsApp is the defacto standard with Line and Telegram as most people's backup.
    Not completely true. I can send anybody a message and if they don't have an iPhone , it'll go through as a text message.
    watto_cobra
  • Reply 16 of 62
    wood1208wood1208 Posts: 2,913member
    Amazon or Google or Facbook have more money than in past to keep developing various things and throw at people to see which one works. If not than move to next. Long as their core business making money, they will keep doing such things. As far as competing with iMessage, Amazon go take a hike.
    edited July 2017 watto_cobra
  • Reply 17 of 62
    slurpyslurpy Posts: 5,384member
    What the fuck is "Apple Messages"? Why do we make up product names? Why can't a site called "Apple Insider" get the name right of a service used by hundreds of millions of people and built into every single iPhone? It's "iMessage" not "Apple Messages". 
    lostkiwiwatto_cobra
  • Reply 18 of 62
    sflocal said:
    Amazon is like Google in that it's building as much crap as they can in the hope something sticks.

    This will fail, or at most will be just a barely-used curiosity.  Stop wasting time and money and work on your core services.  It's amazing that this company barely makes a profit, yet still has a stock-price that in no way correlates to any kind of reality that we live in.
    Good grief. The same hypocrisy on this thread that is on so many others. If Apple wants to enter a new field or debut a new product, whether it is music players, smartphones, tablets, smart watches/wearables, IoT, VR/AR, TV and music streaming, ebooks (all of which had viable, profitable, traction-gaining products before Apple entered) it is a good thing. Great for consumers, the market, technology, humanity as a whole. But let other companies do the same thing? Evil. Wrong. Copyright infringement. And so on.

    It is funny that fans of the company that renamed itself from "Apple Computer, Inc." to "Apple Inc." in 2007 precisely because personal computers were no longer going to be their primary product because since then they have moved into areas like mobile devices, wearables/IoT, AR/VR, AI, streaming media, cloud, green energy, original entertainment etc. and plans still more expansions into the future is telling everyone else to stay in their lanes. Seriously?

    As far as the old "create as many new products as possible in the hope that something sticks" it is very simple to answer that: structured versus RAD. Waterfall versus agile. Apple is the former, along with IBM, Cisco, Microsoft, HP, Oracle, Sony, Nintento, Intel, and the American telecom companies (AT&T, Comcast, Time Warner, Verizon etc.). The latter includes Google, Amazon, Facebook, Salesforce, Qualcomm and a lot of the South Korean/Taiwanese/Chinese hardware companies (Samsung Mobile, Nvidia, Acer, Asustek, Huawei). Which of those are doing better right now? Before you answer, realize that the former legacy waterfall group also included the likes of DEC, NCR, RCA, GE, Motorola, Eastman Kodak, Xerox, Toshiba and Mitsubishi. Which means that nearly all have been bought by foreign competition (RCA, Motorola), have all but exited the hardware game and are now eking along as software/services only (AT&T, NCR, IBM) or flat out no longer exist in a meaningful sense. By contrast the only major RAD company to have truly gone belly-up was Sun. Which means that not only is Apple the biggest company in the world, but also the last major player of its kind

    Remember that before you mock all these other companies for not having the same product strategy and overall business model as Apple. Because nearly every other company that does things the way that Apple does is either out of business, heading that way or is only surviving as as a shell of its former self. Meaning that what works so well for Apple will probably not work as well for well for everyone else. And for that matter, it is highly debatable how Apple's way of doing things worked before the iPhone or will continue to so after it as more and more things shift to the very platform-independent web and cloud based models that you folks mock Google, Amazon, Facebook etc. for using to make billions, with a good chunk of it coming from Apple's own hardware and in competing with Apple's own software and services.

    dewme
  • Reply 19 of 62
    spice-boyspice-boy Posts: 1,450member
    Go for it Amazon, keep spreading it thiner and thinner. 
  • Reply 20 of 62
    tmaytmay Posts: 6,328member
    Amazon increases Prime stickiness; world plus dog swoons.

    Bait.

    I clicked.





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