New video shows drone crashing onto roof at Apple Park

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Illustrating the risks of flying over Apple Park, a pilot crashed a drone into the complex over the weekend, requiring the help of a fellow pilot to locate the wreckage.




The drone was over the main ring when it suddenly lost control, plummeting downwards. There were no signs that it was about to fail, its owner told the rescue pilot, Apple Park flyover specialist Matthew Roberts.

Roberts flew a DJI Phantom 4 Pro over the campus, eventually discovering the crashed drone wedged in between rooftop solar panels. The craft appears to have been mostly intact, and its owner notified Apple about the incident. So far there's been no sign of a response, which may make the property's return unlikely.





Roberts and other drone operators regularly fly over the main ring, known as the "spaceship." Apart from its unusual architecture, the building attracts people wanting to record construction and landscaping progress and/or generate publicity by sharing the footage with media outlets.

Apple could potentially crack down on pilots, since a future crash might damage equipment or hit someone walking in the campus courtyard.
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  • Reply 1 of 48
    Lucky IF the crashed Drone did not damage any panels. One thing is the cost of Not getting your drone back. The other more costly matter, would be the bill to repair/replace, a damaged panel/property.
    zroger73DavidAlGregoryronnrob53
  • Reply 2 of 48
    nonsequitirnonsequitir Posts: 1unconfirmed, member
    I wonder if Apple are emitting a drone-killing signal?
     
    edited February 2018 sunman42yojimbo007
  • Reply 3 of 48
    lkrupplkrupp Posts: 10,557member
    Ands if that drone damaged any of those solar panels I’m sure the drone’s owner will not be pleased with the bill he gets from Apple. As for the drone itself, good luck getting it back after trespassing on Apple’s private property. 
    ronn
  • Reply 4 of 48
    lkrupplkrupp Posts: 10,557member
    I wonder if Apple are emitting a drone-killing signal?
     
    It was inevitable that some first post troll would come along and try to make an evil Apple conspiracy theory out of this. I guess this genius didn’t notice that a second drone was used to find the crashed one. Kinda refutes his dumbass “drone killing signal” theory doesn’t it.
    lobertcecil444cecil4442old4funlordjohnwhorfinpscooter63bb-15macseekerjony0steven n.
  • Reply 5 of 48
    I would not give back the $1500 drone.

    Fly at your own risk.

    And if damages, sue for those too.
    zroger73watto_cobra
  • Reply 6 of 48
    Tim Cook has a trained drone-killing eagle in his office. True story.
    cecil4442old4funpeterhartviclauyyc
  • Reply 7 of 48
    Tim Cook has a trained drone-killing eagle in his office. True story.
    "Keep your drones off my lawn!"
    ronnwatto_cobraStrangeDays
  • Reply 8 of 48
    I know little about drones. If they lose proper operational control, do they emit some sort of warning noise in case they plummet to the ground?
  • Reply 9 of 48
    cgWerkscgWerks Posts: 2,952member
    Now, apply this whole scenario to self-driving cars. Welcome to the future!
    Tesla semi, suddenly decides to veer through the downtown street-market.... etc. Oops, a glitch.
    Lucky IF the crashed Drone did not damage any panels. One thing is the cost of Not getting your drone back. The other more costly matter, would be the bill to repair/replace, a damaged panel/property.
    Or, one wonders how much harm one of these would do it if hit a person.
    mwhitewatto_cobra
  • Reply 10 of 48
    DAalsethDAalseth Posts: 2,783member
    It was inevitable that some first post troll would come along and try to make an evil Apple conspiracy theory out of this. I guess this genius didn’t notice that a second drone was used to find the crashed one. Kinda refutes his dumbass “drone killing signal” theory doesn’t it.
    Overreact much? I suspect most of us thought the same thing at the start of the video. I got the feeling the original post was very much tongue in cheek.
    djames4242retrogustoclexmanmuthuk_vanalingam
  • Reply 11 of 48
    pembroke said:
    I know little about drones. If they lose proper operational control, do they emit some sort of warning noise in case they plummet to the ground?
    No, the pilot does. Usually sounds like "oooooooh sh..."
    zroger73mwhiteboltsfan17macseekermacxpressdjames4242ronncgWerkswatto_cobramknelson
  • Reply 12 of 48
    The crashed drone looks like a Phantom series as well. I know that 1st and 2nd gen phantoms had issues with interference from WIFI and other electronics which would be be significant on this property I would guess. I had loss of signal issues with Phantom 2 only when I flew it above and close proximity to my house which has WIFI up the ying yang...Even if they improved this with Phantom 3 and 4 still could be an issue...plus any number of technical issues that could have led to this as well. Pilot error also could be a culprit. I would not want the bill for replacing one of those panels...
    ronn
  • Reply 13 of 48
    mpantonempantone Posts: 2,040member
    Roberts flew a DJI Phantom 4 Pro over the campus, eventually discovering the crashed drone wedged in between rooftop solar panels. The craft appears to have been mostly intact, and its owner notified Apple about the incident. So far there's been no sign of a response, which may make the property's return unlikely.

    Apple could potentially crack down on pilots, since a future crash might damage equipment or hit someone walking in the campus courtyard.
    AppleInsider's editorial staff has a dreadfully short memory.

    if Apple does not return the property to the rightful owner, Apple would be in violation of the California law that stipulates that a reasonable attempt to return the property if the owner can be identified. 

    California Code, Penal Code - PEN § 485

    "One who finds lost property under circumstances which give him knowledge of or means of inquiry as to the true owner, and who appropriates such property to his own use, or to the use of another person not entitled thereto, without first making reasonable and just efforts to find the owner and to restore the property to him, is guilty of theft."
    This is the same state law that got Brian Hogan of Redwood City (the finder of a prototype iPhone 4 erroneously left behind in a beer garden) in very hot water and eventually led to the sacking of one of Gizmodo's editorial staffers. Hogan's actions were very dishonest as he did not attempt to do the right thing and turn the phone over to the bar owners; he took the phone home with him.

    My guess is that Hogan's legal fees were far more than a $5000 that Gizmodo paid him for the device.

    "Finders, keepers" is not a valid legal defense in California and Apple would be hypocrites as well as thieves if they do not return the drone.

    The simplest explanation why Apple has not returned the drone to its owner is because it's a three day holiday weekend and no one wants to wreck their weekend plans with this silly nonsense right now. They can make the drone owner worry about it over the long weekend. It's not a lost baby or stray dog.

    California law is hazy about deliberate takedowns of drones. Most of California's drone regulations have to do with invasion of privacy, not about property damage or personal injury.

    One option Apple does have is to encourage the appropriate authorities to file charges against the drone operator for violating federal airspace regulations, most likely a federal felony.

    Of course, Apple could return the drone to its owner along with a bill for solar panel repair.
    edited February 2018 pscooter63bb-15
  • Reply 14 of 48
    I had a similar crash to this one using a DJI Phantom 3. Flight seemed normal for a few minutes, then all of a sudden, complete loss of control. It was caused by one of the props flying off which threw it into a rolling free fall. I can't tell from the pictures from the survey drone, but my hunch it was a similar type of failure. This is why it's very important not to fly drones over people.
    zroger73bb-15lordjohnwhorfinronnwatto_cobra
  • Reply 15 of 48
    cgWerks said:
    Now, apply this whole scenario to self-driving cars. Welcome to the future!
    Tesla semi, suddenly decides to veer through the downtown street-market.... etc. Oops, a glitch.
    Lucky IF the crashed Drone did not damage any panels. One thing is the cost of Not getting your drone back. The other more costly matter, would be the bill to repair/replace, a damaged panel/property.
    Or, one wonders how much harm one of these would do it if hit a person.
    Compare the number of drone crashes resulting from failure of the aircraft to those resulting from the pilot flying the drone into something.

    Now, apply this to self-driving cars. Sure, there will be failures, injuries, and deaths, but I'll bet the number of crashes resulting from human error will be far greater.

    Self-driving cars don't fall asleep, drive under the influence of drugs and alcohol, faint due to medical conditions, text, eat, talk, apply makeup, try to beat red lights, speed, or turn around swatting unruly children (or spouses) in the back seat like human drivers do.
    ronnradarthekat
  • Reply 16 of 48
    I wonder if Apple are emitting a drone-killing signal?
     
    No, but Tim Cook did have surface to air missiles installed at Apple Park to combat people flying drones over the building. 
  • Reply 17 of 48
    "There were no signs of premature failure". That drone is a piece of garbage. It has signs that it will crash just looking at it. Unfortunately they sell millions of those cheap $200 drones at Frys and other electronics stores. The Phantom 4 Pro that found it, on the other hand, is super reliable in the hands of a good drone pilot.
    watto_cobra
  • Reply 18 of 48
    mpantonempantone Posts: 2,040member
    cgWerks said:
    Now, apply this whole scenario to self-driving cars. Welcome to the future!
    Tesla semi, suddenly decides to veer through the downtown street-market.... etc. Oops, a glitch.
    Lucky IF the crashed Drone did not damage any panels. One thing is the cost of Not getting your drone back. The other more costly matter, would be the bill to repair/replace, a damaged panel/property.
    Or, one wonders how much harm one of these would do it if hit a person.
    Google -- among other companies -- has been testing autonomous vehicles on SF Bay Area public roads for years. They are certainly safer than a car being driven by a teenager with a brand new driver's license.

    This technology still has a way to go before it will be commercially deployed but for certain, its arrival will be inevitable so try to get used to the idea. 
  • Reply 19 of 48
    grangerfx said:
    "There were no signs of premature failure". That drone is a piece of garbage. It has signs that it will crash just looking at it. Unfortunately they sell millions of those cheap $200 drones at Frys and other electronics stores. The Phantom 4 Pro that found it, on the other hand, is super reliable in the hands of a good drone pilot.
    The drone that crashed isn't one of those cheap drones. You can tell just by looking at it the drone it's a Phantom model. 
    edited February 2018 zroger73
  • Reply 20 of 48
    cgWerks said:
    Now, apply this whole scenario to self-driving cars. Welcome to the future!
    Tesla semi, suddenly decides to veer through the downtown street-market.... etc. Oops, a glitch.
    Lucky IF the crashed Drone did not damage any panels. One thing is the cost of Not getting your drone back. The other more costly matter, would be the bill to repair/replace, a damaged panel/property.
    Or, one wonders how much harm one of these would do it if hit a person.
    Here are some videos of drones hitting people from YouTube.

    https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=drones+hitting+people

    edited February 2018 lordjohnwhorfin
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