Apple's iPhone 12 Pro Max Review: A lot of smartphone, and not for everybody

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The iPhone 12 Pro Max is more than just the largest model in the 2020 iPhone collection, with the super-sized smartphone boasting better battery life and even camera specifications that improve on what the iPhone 12 offers.

iPhone 12 Pro Max
iPhone 12 Pro Max

iPhone 12 Pro Max - display, design, and size

The external appearance of the iPhone 12 Pro Max matches the rest of the iPhone 12 family, with flat sides that produce more defined edges to the stainless steel body, as well as making it closer in style to the iPad Pro lineup. Along with the stronger chassis, Apple is also employing its toughened Ceramic Shield glass to the front and back for added durability, with the rear also sporting a textured matte glass effect.

The stainless steel band of the Pacific Blue iPhone 12 Pro Max
The stainless steel band of the Pacific Blue iPhone 12 Pro Max


Continuing the durability theme, Apple has also improved its water resistance over the previous generation, with it now capable of surviving a depth of up to six meters of water for up to 30 minutes. Previously, this was four meters for half an hour.

This year, there's four colors to choose from, with a "traditional" silver, a tweaked gold that's slightly lighter than in previous years, accompanied by the tweaked graphite instead of space gray, as well as the new Pacific blue.

At 6.33 inches tall and 3.07 inches wide, the device is well within "phablet" territory, while maintaining a 0.29-inch thickness of its stablemate, the iPhone 12 Pro. Its size also makes it the heaviest in the range at 8.03 ounces.

The entire iPhone 12 lineup
The entire iPhone 12 lineup, iPhone 12 Pro Max on the right


This reviewer has large hands, and it is in no way a one-hand iPhone. It's a comfortable and solid hold, but it is a big iPhone, and there is no question about it. We've passed it around to several of our colleagues and friends, and the general consensus is that this phone is pretty good at a desk, but not something you'd want to walk around and use.

That bulk allows Apple to slap on a big screen and battery. The 6.7-inch Super Retina screen resolution is 2,778 by 1,284, with a pixel density of 458 pixels per inch. In theory, the bigger screen makes it better to watch content, complete with its 2 million to one contrast ratio and up to 1,200 nits of brightness for HDR video driven by its use of OLED. In actuality, though, that extra quarter-inch diagonal versus the iPhone 11 Pro Max doesn't give a lot to the user, that it hadn't already provided in the slightly smaller device.

The phone is so big so maneuvering is required to reach the upper limits
The phone is so big so maneuvering is required to reach the upper limits


Just as with the iPhone 12 Pro, you still have True Tone and Wide Color (P3) support, Haptic Touch, and Apple's frequently-used oleophobic coating on the display.

The new phones are no more or no less fingerprint magnets. Wipe it down with a clean microfiber cloth, or even a paper towel from time to time, and you'll be fine.

iPhone 12 Pro Max - specifications

Internally, there's little difference in the processing performance of the iPhone 12 Pro Max over the other versions, as it uses the same powerful A14 Bionic chip as all of the other iPhone 12 models. This means it has a CPU with six cores consisting of two high-performance cores alongside four high-efficiency cores, the latest 16-core Neural Engine capable of up to 11 trillion calculations per second, an improved four-core GPU, and a new image signal processor.

Ultimately, this translates to an improvement of roughly 20% over the A13 Bionic in the iPhone 11 Pro for single-core Geekbench testing, while the multi-core performance is in the ballpark of 15% better than last year's main effort.

While you may not necessarily see the difference in performance all the time, it will mean the iPhone 12 Pro Max will be zippier when you open or resume apps, making it extremely useful for the Camera app. How much this actually matters varies, given how iOS handles RAM and open apps.

The back glass of the iPhone 12 Pro Max
The back glass of the iPhone 12 Pro Max


But, where that power really matters is in handling the processing tasks pushed its way by the camera, both for HDR and computational photography.

Like the iPhone 12 Pro, the iPhone 12 Pro Max benefits from having 6 gigabytes of memory over the 4 gigabytes used in the non-Pro models. Another improvement the Pro models have is an expanded storage capacity range versus the non-iPhone 12 Pro models. Storage capacities start at 128GB with 256GB and 512GB models available.

While we're sure a 1TB phone is inevitable, given the increasing shift away from desktop and laptop computers to mobile devices as a primary computing tool, it isn't here today.

iPhone 12 Pro Max - still photography

As it has for the last few years, the camera array is in a fairly large protrusion on the back of the phone. Not much has changed here -- you either despise the protrusion, or you don't care. Nearly every protective case that almost every consumer buys shields that bump and levels out the back of the phone.

Like the iPhone 12 Pro, the iPhone 12 Pro Max has three 12-megapixel camera sensors on the back, giving Ultra Wide, Wide, and Telephoto coverage.

iPhone 12 Pro Max (left) has a more protruding camera bump than the iPhone 12 Pro (right)
iPhone 12 Pro Max (left) has a more protruding camera bump than the iPhone 12 Pro (right)


The Ultra Wide offers an f/2.4 aperture and a 120-degree field of view, while the Wide has an f/1.6 aperture. For the Telephoto, the aperture in the Max goes to f/2.2 instead of f/2.0 used in the Pro.

However, the iPhone 12 Pro Max does better with its overall optical zooming range, with the 2x optical zoom in upgraded to 2.5x for the model against 2x in the Pro, along with the standard 2x optical zoom out. In the real world, this gives the iPhone 12 Pro Max a very slightly better better optical zoom range of 5x over 4x in the Pro, as well as improving the digital zoom from 10x to 12x.

A closeup of the iPhone 12 Pro Max camera
A closeup of the iPhone 12 Pro Max camera


The Wide camera in the iPhone 12 Pro Max also benefits from upgraded optical image stabilization system called sensor-shift, which physically moves the sensor around inside the camera in a similar manner to Optical Image Stabilization (OIS) systems in some DSLR and mirrorless cameras. By making up to 5,000 adjustments per second, Apple's system can help produce steadier shots overall compared to the lens-shift system typically used for smartphone OIS systems.

Apple also made the Wide camera sensor better for low-light photographs by making it 47% larger. As the resolution remains the same, this means each pixel of the sensor is collecting more light, which makes it more efficient at gathering light data for shots. This is the most visible change that most users will see, with photos shot on the iPhone 12 Pro Max versus any other model of iPhone.

This is on top of the main new addition to the rear cameras for 2020, the use of a LiDAR sensor. Putting the sensor on the rear enables the iPhone autofocus to be up to six times faster in low light situations, as well as making it easier to capture Portraits in its new Night mode.

That's before you even consider its potential applications in augmented reality. Apps using ARKit will be able to take advantage of the extra data to more accurately depict virtual content on the real-world camera view.

All of the cameras benefit from Deep Fusion, with Apple also including a night mode for the ultra-wide and wide for low-light photography. Smart HDR 3 will help create vibrant images.

For still images, the addition of Apple ProRAW will be appealing to photographers, providing the benefits of capturing RAW images while also benefiting from image processing from Deep Fusion and Smart HDR. In practice, this means the iPhone will handle elements like noise reduction and multi-frame exposure adjustments automatically, while still enabling users to refine other elements such as the white balance and color.

This is all fine and good, but realistically, other than the aforementioned low-light situation, if you're shooting with the iPhone, the Camera app, with normal settings, in normal lighting almost nobody will be able to see the differences. We've been doing this a long time, and it was very hard to see the differences under these conditions between the iPhone 12 Pro Max, and the iPhone 11 Pro Max.

iPhone 12 Pro Max still has the better camera
iPhone 12 Pro Max has the better camera


So, we called around to some of our professional photography friends. They pointed out minute details in images, specifically after we started shooting in RAW, and using applications like Halide.

We'll be delving into these differences fairly soon, but we will say this -- if you're a casual photographer, using default apps and settings, you're going to have a hard time telling the camera apart from the iPhone 12 Pro, or the iPhone 11 Pro family of devices.

Apple's Camera app is good enough for 99% of the population. It will give you excellent shots, in nearly every environment, automatically. But to get the most out of the upgraded sensor, and what the iPhone 12 brings to the table, and you have an inkling of what you're doing, get Halide, or your photography app of choice, and play around with the camera, to really stretch it out.

iPhone 12 Pro Max - shooting video

The iPhone 12 Pro normal video recording modes cover 4K up to 60fps and slo-mo at 1080p 240fps. There's also extended dynamic range for video, continuous autofocus, cinematic video stabilization, a night mode time lapse, and even the ability to take 8-megapixel photographs while recording 4K video.

With iOS 14 in conjunction with the iPhone 12 Pro line, Apple has included support for recording and editing HDR content in Dolby Vision at up to 60fps. Footage for TV shows and movies are usually mastered in Dolby Vision but not typically shot natively in it today, this notable for a mobile device.

But, as with the camera, much of this comes down to the shooting skill and editing ability of the videographer behind the lens -- to say nothing of having a home media setup capable of getting the most out of that footage. Even without the additions of Dolby Vision, again, the iPhone 12 Pro Max far, far exceeds anything that 99% of the users of the device will ever, ever need.

iPhone 12 Pro Max - selfie camera

To the front is the 12-megapixel TrueDepth camera, which provides the core functionality for Face ID. Consisting of an f/2.2 aperture camera with added depth mapping data, it offers the usual Portrait mode shooting with selective bokeh controls, six Portrait Lighting effects, and Animoji and Memoji support.

Like the rear cameras, it also has Night mode, Deep Fusion, Smart HDR3, and Dolby Vision HDR video capture, at up to 30fps. It is also capable of 4K video recording at up to 60fps, extended dynamic range at 30fps, 120fps slo-mo video, time-lapse video with stabilization, Night mode time-lapse, automatic image stabilization, and cinematic video stabilization at up to 4K.

iPhone 12 Pro Max - power and MagSafe

As the biggest iPhone in the range, it stands to reason that the iPhone 12 Pro Max also has the biggest battery capacity to match its size. This also gives it the best battery life, with Apple claiming it can last for up to 20 hours of video playback, or up to 12 hours of video playback when streamed, and up to 80 hours of audio playback.

Wireless charging iPhone 12 Pro Max on the Courant Vallet
Wireless charging iPhone 12 Pro Max on the Courant Vallet


Our battery testing bears out Apple's claims for the most part, but more on that when we get to the 5G discussion.

If you're using a 20W charger -- which much has already been made about it being supplied separately -- there's a fast charge capability when connected to the Lightning port, allowing it to reach up to 50% charge in about 30 minutes.

MagSafe charging puck connected to the back of the iPhone 12 Pro Max
MagSafe charging puck connected to the back of the iPhone 12 Pro Max


Using a magnet array, MagSafe can lightly affix a charger to the back of the iPhone, lining it up for optimal energy transfers, which can be up to 15 watts under ideal conditions. This won't be as fast as most Lightning charging evolutions, but it's still a considerable leap forward for Apple's wireless capabilities.

Some Qi charging bases are more fidgety than others. Some you can drop down, and it does a pretty good job of alignment, because of multiple engineering choices made in the pad. Some require very specific positioning, or you get nothing.

MagSafe eliminates the issue of having to repeatedly reposition the iPhone on that fidgety wireless charger to get the right spot. With magnets guiding the way, it makes placing the iPhone effortless.

Apple has also extended MagSafe to its non-power accessories, with its new cases extending the magnetic ring to maintain its attraction, rather than weakening the effect. The addition of NFC chips in cases also allows the iPhone to recognize a case has been attached, to the point where a color-matched animated ring appears on its display.

MagSafe wallet on iPhone 12 Pro Max
MagSafe wallet on iPhone 12 Pro Max


MagSafe also allows for other accessories to be attached to the rear, such as the card holders and wallets, docks and mounts, and practically anything else wants to stick to the back of their mobile device.

Opinions on MagSafe vary amongst the staff. Some have been quick to embrace the accessory ecosystem, some, like this reviewer have not been happy with what's been made available so far.

Frankly, a MagSafe wallet on a giant phone that is already a challenge to get in most (men's) pants pockets is a really bad idea. Some preliminary testing with it has found it relatively easy to scrape off as the device goes in a pocket, with the wallet and all of the contained cards ending up on the ground. But, this isn't the case on the smaller devices, so the internal debates here continue.

A MagSafe adapter for a car mount ships that isn't just a frame for Apple's adapter is inevitable, but isn't here today. That may change a few of our minds about the subject.

While we're discussing it, the cord on the MagSafe charger is way too short. We'd really like to see this changed, without having to resort to an extension cable.

iPhone 12 Pro Max - 5G and wireless connectivity

A major feature of this year's iPhones is support for 5G connectivity, which is actually two different elements working together across cellular networks. The technology can provide high-speed communications technology that covers a wide area, but it's much more nuanced than that.

The first element is made up of sub-6GHz bands that provide blanket signal coverage in a similar way to how 4G LTE functions. This allows for 5G networks to be widespread, but for this, it would effectively be at connection speeds comparable to existing 4G LTE networks.

The second part, mmWave, promises the potential gigabit-level speeds to users. However, as mmWave isn't a resilient signal, it will work at lower ranges and is easily disrupted, meaning it will only really be deployed in areas with high population densities, such as areas of a city. And even then, you'll need to have line of sight to the mmWave "tower" which is generally a box on a telephone pole with absolutely no obstructions between you and it -- including a window, tree leaves, or a mesh window screen.

The display is beautiful for reading, watching, or checking our photos
The display is beautiful for reading, watching, or checking our photos


That Apple includes support for both high-speed and high-resilience elements is great for consumers, who will be able to benefit from the connectivity where it is available, depending on their carrier's rollout.

Apple has also claimed its iPhones will fall back to 4G connections in instances where high amounts of bandwidth are not required. This should help prolong battery life as 5G connectivity is a power-hungry technology to operate, and when we took the phone into Washington DC for testing, we got between seven and eight hours of operational battery life while the phone was hunting for signal, with it only very rarely connecting to the high-speed mmWave network.

In short, today, your mileage will vary a great deal when it comes to 5G. We're glad the phone includes it for the future, but don't count on big gains today.

iPhone 12 Pro Max - Wi-Fi, Bluetooth, and Ultra Wideband

For wireless networking, the iPhone 12 has Wi-Fi 6 support, equating to 802.11ax, with 2x2 MIMO. Bluetooth 5.0 is also available for connecting to other devices, while NFC is offered with a reader mode and for Apple Pay transactions.

Like the previous generation, Apple has included an Ultra Wideband chip, which it says is for spatial awareness. While this previously would have been used just for more accurate AirDrop device detection, it also has the potential for other uses.

The HomePod mini uses UWB to manage some of its proximity detection capabilities, allowing it to perform handoff transactions with the iPhone for content. For future uses, the often-rumored "AirTags" are also believed to use UWB for transmitting its location, which may also help in finding the tags and lost objects, as well as for managing HomeKit devices.

There's certainly potential for UWB, but it's largely up to Apple how it expands on the concept.

Still a lot of phone, for still a lot of money

The iPhone 12 Pro Max is indisputably the king of Apple's iPhone lineup, as the highest-end iPhone is every year. Much has already been said about the device, with varying levels of inflammatory headlines about pricing, the lack of an AC adapter, and more.

We spent a lot of time figuring out what exactly to say about the iPhone 12 Pro Max, other than what it is, and what it can do. Through the entire evolution of the thought process, we kept coming back to one point -- this is a fantastically powerful computing device and a stunning camera and portable video studio, but at the same time it is too much phone in nearly every regard, for nearly everybody.

The iPhone 12 Pro Max is a lot of phone for today. The camera is far more than nearly everybody will need for the next several years, and so is the processing power on the device. The screen is massive, and unless you're tossing it in a bag, suitcase, or briefcase, putting it in your pocket will be a problem for most.

Imagine a graph of two lines over time -- one is what a user needs to get the job done, which does climb, but at a much gentler rate than the imaginary quantification of what Apple adds to the devices year over year. So, the annual upgrades, especially at the high-end, like the iPhone 12 Pro Max has a larger gap between what the user needs to get the job done, versus what the phone has than ever before.

We don't know much about any of our readers on an individual level, but we do have a pretty good idea of the aggregate. We know you're demanding of your hardware, and other than a few annual upgraders, you like to keep things in service for well longer than a year, retiring them only when you have to.

iPhone 12 Pro Max is maximum iPhone
iPhone 12 Pro Max is maximum iPhone


While I have the incredible privilege of being able to review these devices as a living year in and year out facing the Internet for the last decade, the annual replacement cycle is not a chase that I would be on if I didn't review these for you, and need to be able to discuss them in a professional capacity. If I had my way, I'd turn over my personal devices every three years or so, cascading what still works well to folks that could use older devices.

I'm enjoying the iPhone 12 Pro Max, but it will never be a day-to-day carry for me. I like what it brings to the table from a computing perspective, and I look forward to what will trickle down to the rest of the line as physics allow, like what the iPhone X heralded for what's now in nearly the entire iPhone 12 family of devices.

But, unless you're replacing that iPhone X or older that you got at launch, or perhaps an iPhone XS Max that's got a few too many miles and drops on it, I'm not sure who needs to buy this phone, versus the iPhone 12 Pro non-Max.

If the iPhone 12 Pro Max is the iPhone you always wanted, buy it without fear. It is an incredibly solid device on every front, and will serve you well. It's just not for everybody.

Score: 4 out of 5.
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  • Reply 1 of 35
    Agreed.....iphone 12 pro i think is the perfect size for a portable phone....just my opinion 
  • Reply 2 of 35
    mr. hmr. h Posts: 4,870member
    Apple is also employing its toughened Ceramic Shield glass to the front and back [emphasis added]
    Is this definitely correct? Yours is the first review I’ve seen that states this. I was under the impression that only the front glass had the Ceramic Shield and that the back glass is an older generation of Gorilla Glass.
  • Reply 3 of 35
    Mike WuertheleMike Wuerthele Posts: 6,861administrator
    mr. h said:
    Apple is also employing its toughened Ceramic Shield glass to the front and back [emphasis added]
    Is this definitely correct? Yours is the first review I’ve seen that states this. I was under the impression that only the front glass had the Ceramic Shield and that the back glass is an older generation of Gorilla Glass.
    This is what we've been told, but other than that, we have no way to confirm it independently.

    The front and back glasses are mounted on different substrates. The front is laminate, with that OLED display. The rear is effectively glued to the metal back of the phone. That in itself changes the behavior of the glass under different stressors.
    edited November 2020 GeorgeBMacwatto_cobra
  • Reply 4 of 35
    bluefire1bluefire1 Posts: 1,302member
    I have the 12 Pro Max and it comfortably fits in all of my pants pockets. The bigger screen allows for better game playing, and viewing in landscape mode is also a plus. 
    edited November 2020 williamlondondewmeravnorodomwatto_cobra
  • Reply 5 of 35
    eriamjheriamjh Posts: 1,642member
    I love my iPhone 12 Max Pro Extreme Ultimate Super Magnum Epic Monster Deluxe Supreme Edition.  

    I don’t mind the high price because I’m planning on this being a 4-year phone, like my 7 Plus was.   It’s literally only 0.10” taller than the 7 Plus is and the same width with more screen in the same area.  Weight?  It’s heavier, but I need to workout more.   

    My 7 plus was really getting loose in the lightning port so I also bought the MagSafe charger for home overnight charging.    

    Cell signal is faster everywhere outside, but at home, I’m in a 1-2 bar area so home WiFi makes up for that.  

    I’m happy and now have a $40 phone payment for the next 30 months.   It’s what happens.   
    watto_cobra
  • Reply 6 of 35
    Thanks for the most inane review to date on the 12 Pro Max. Let's start with the headline, shall we? "Not for everybody." Well, Captain Obvious, if Apple made an iPhone that WAS for everybody, we wouldn't need five models, would we? The whole reason for Apple's multiple model strategy is that there is no one, two or even three iPhones that will please everybody, hence we have five... and even then, there's still no iPhone for the bargain Android crowd, mainly because Apple rightly sees no profit in that market. Bottom line: reviewing any particular iPhone model in terms of its mass appeal makes no sense. You can only review them and rate them in terms of how well they fit the market segment for which each model was intended. 

    Then there's the emphasis on the extraordinary size (at least to you) of the 12 Pro Max, which you and your clueless focus group decided (by "general consensus," lol) was "pretty good at a desk but not something you'd want to walk around with and use." Ever hear of the iPhone 11 Pro Max? The 12 Pro Max has, essentially, the same size and weight specs. To be precise about it: the 12 Pro Max is  7/10 mm THINNER, 3/10 mm wider, 2.8 mm longer and 2 grams (roughly 1/15 ounce) heavier. In fact, it's only the tiniest bit bigger and heavier than the XS Max or 8 Plus. But, you know, stupid Apple buyers--even after three years, they STILL haven't learned that you can't walk around with a phone this size and they just keep on buying them!

    As virtually ever other reviewer has figured out, the iPhone 12 Pro Max... like the 11 Pro Max, XS Max and 8 Plus before it... are for buyers who WANT the biggest and best screen possible, the best battery life and--in the case of the 12 Pro Max--a significantly upgraded camera system. THAT is who the 12 Pro Max is for, not everybody, and by those parameters it's the best Max model that Apple has ever released. 
    edited November 2020 williamlondonwinstoner71watto_cobra
  • Reply 7 of 35
    I also enjoy the iPhone 12 pro max between solid heavy battery use on weekends when not busy and 2.5 days of use during the work week. Big screen is great for viewing almost anything and gaming for COD:mobile is almost ipad mini but not
    watto_cobra
  • Reply 8 of 35
    Mike WuertheleMike Wuerthele Posts: 6,861administrator
    charlesn said:
    Thanks for the most inane review to date on the 12 Pro Max. Let's start with the headline, shall we? "Not for everybody." Well, Captain Obvious, if Apple made an iPhone that WAS for everybody, we wouldn't need five models, would we? The whole reason for Apple's multiple model strategy is that there is no one, two or even three iPhones that will please everybody, hence we have five... and even then, there's still no iPhone for the bargain Android crowd, mainly because Apple rightly sees no profit in that market. Bottom line: reviewing any particular iPhone model in terms of its mass appeal makes no sense. You can only review them and rate them in terms of how well they fit the market segment for which each model was intended. 

    Then there's the emphasis on the extraordinary size (at least to you) of the 12 Pro Max, which you and your clueless focus group decided (by "general consensus," lol) was "pretty good at a desk but not something you'd want to walk around with and use." Ever hear of the iPhone 11 Pro Max? The 12 Pro Max has, essentially, the same size and weight specs. To be precise about it: the 12 Pro Max is  7/10 mm THINNER, 3/10 mm wider, 2.8 mm longer and 2 grams (roughly 1/15 ounce) heavier. In fact, it's only the tiniest bit bigger and heavier than the XS Max or 8 Plus. But, you know, stupid Apple buyers--even after three years, they STILL haven't learned that you can't walk around with a phone this size and they just keep on buying them!

    As virtually ever other reviewer has figured out, the iPhone 12 Pro Max... like the 11 Pro Max, XS Max and 8 Plus before it... are for buyers who WANT the biggest and best screen possible, the best battery life and--in the case of the 12 Pro Max--a significantly upgraded camera system. THAT is who the 12 Pro Max is for, not everybody, and by those parameters it's the best Max model that Apple has ever released. 
    Bolded point 1: This is absolutely not true. That may be what you want to read -- and that's fine -- but as a reminder, AppleInsider is for everybody, not just folks that bought the iPhone 12 Pro Max already, such as yourself.

    Bolded point 2: While you're welcome to approach your own thoughts on the iPhone 12 Pro Max any way you see fit, where did you get that I disagreed with this bolded point? I specifically addressed this point in the review. It's a great phone! It, as the headline says, is just not for everybody for the reasons that make it great for yourself and others, and folks that are making the decision on which to buy should know that.
    edited November 2020
  • Reply 9 of 35
    Before getting my 12 Pro I was a bit disappointed with the bigger Wide sensor on the Max only though I knew there was no way I or my pockets could handle a phone that large, I’m 5’5”. I came from a X and that was really the maximum size I could handle. If I were to do it over again I’d get the Mini to be honest. 
  • Reply 10 of 35
    mr. h said:
    Apple is also employing its toughened Ceramic Shield glass to the front and back [emphasis added]
    Is this definitely correct? Yours is the first review I’ve seen that states this. I was under the impression that only the front glass had the Ceramic Shield and that the back glass is an older generation of Gorilla Glass.
    This is what we've been told, but other than that, we have no way to confirm it independently.

    The front and back glasses are mounted on different substrates. The front is laminate, with that OLED display. The rear is effectively glued to the metal back of the phone. That in itself changes the behavior of the glass under different stressors.
    Then why state so,
    when you don't know?
    edited November 2020
  • Reply 11 of 35
    The 12 Pro Max is physically the same size as my iPhone 8 Plus (well, it's 2mm taller - nbd).  I don't see how anyone who carried the recent "Plus" models around would have any problem carrying this one.
    williamlondonwatto_cobra
  • Reply 12 of 35
    Mike WuertheleMike Wuerthele Posts: 6,861administrator
    mr. h said:
    Apple is also employing its toughened Ceramic Shield glass to the front and back [emphasis added]
    Is this definitely correct? Yours is the first review I’ve seen that states this. I was under the impression that only the front glass had the Ceramic Shield and that the back glass is an older generation of Gorilla Glass.
    This is what we've been told, but other than that, we have no way to confirm it independently.

    The front and back glasses are mounted on different substrates. The front is laminate, with that OLED display. The rear is effectively glued to the metal back of the phone. That in itself changes the behavior of the glass under different stressors.
    Then why state so,
    when you don't know?
    Because, typically, when Apple tells us something, it's correct. It is their manufactured item, after all.
    edited November 2020 bageljoeychiawilliamlondon
  • Reply 13 of 35
    mr. h said:
    Apple is also employing its toughened Ceramic Shield glass to the front and back [emphasis added]
    Is this definitely correct? Yours is the first review I’ve seen that states this. I was under the impression that only the front glass had the Ceramic Shield and that the back glass is an older generation of Gorilla Glass.
    This is what we've been told, but other than that, we have no way to confirm it independently.

    The front and back glasses are mounted on different substrates. The front is laminate, with that OLED display. The rear is effectively glued to the metal back of the phone. That in itself changes the behavior of the glass under different stressors.
    Then why state so,
    when you don't know?
    Because, typically, when Apple tells us something, it's correct. It is their manufactured item, after all.
    I mean, seriously!  What’s with the chip-on-the-shoulder snark, people?
    williamlondonwatto_cobra
  • Reply 14 of 35
    mr. hmr. h Posts: 4,870member
    mr. h said:
    Apple is also employing its toughened Ceramic Shield glass to the front and back [emphasis added]
    Is this definitely correct? Yours is the first review I’ve seen that states this. I was under the impression that only the front glass had the Ceramic Shield and that the back glass is an older generation of Gorilla Glass.
    This is what we've been told, but other than that, we have no way to confirm it independently.

    The front and back glasses are mounted on different substrates. The front is laminate, with that OLED display. The rear is effectively glued to the metal back of the phone. That in itself changes the behavior of the glass under different stressors.
    OK, thanks for the reply. Did they say if this is specific to the Pro Max? Because not only have I not seen anyone else say the back glass is Ceramic Shield on the Pro Max, I've seen other reviews (for non-pro models) that specifically mention that the back glass is definitely not Ceramic Shield. Perhaps you could get back to Apple on this for clarification? Much appreciated.
    watto_cobra
  • Reply 15 of 35
    Mike WuertheleMike Wuerthele Posts: 6,861administrator
    mr. h said:
    mr. h said:
    Apple is also employing its toughened Ceramic Shield glass to the front and back [emphasis added]
    Is this definitely correct? Yours is the first review I’ve seen that states this. I was under the impression that only the front glass had the Ceramic Shield and that the back glass is an older generation of Gorilla Glass.
    This is what we've been told, but other than that, we have no way to confirm it independently.

    The front and back glasses are mounted on different substrates. The front is laminate, with that OLED display. The rear is effectively glued to the metal back of the phone. That in itself changes the behavior of the glass under different stressors.
    OK, thanks for the reply. Did they say if this is specific to the Pro Max? Because not only have I not seen anyone else say the back glass is Ceramic Shield on the Pro Max, I've seen other reviews (for non-pro models) that specifically mention that the back glass is definitely not Ceramic Shield. Perhaps you could get back to Apple on this for clarification? Much appreciated.
    Sure can. I'm off the clock at the moment, but will make a call in the morning.
    watto_cobra
  • Reply 16 of 35
    charlesn said:
    Thanks for the most inane review to date on the 12 Pro Max. Let's start with the headline, shall we? "Not for everybody." Well, Captain Obvious, if Apple made an iPhone that WAS for everybody, we wouldn't need five models, would we? The whole reason for Apple's multiple model strategy is that there is no one, two or even three iPhones that will please everybody, hence we have five... and even then, there's still no iPhone for the bargain Android crowd, mainly because Apple rightly sees no profit in that market. Bottom line: reviewing any particular iPhone model in terms of its mass appeal makes no sense. You can only review them and rate them in terms of how well they fit the market segment for which each model was intended. 

    Then there's the emphasis on the extraordinary size (at least to you) of the 12 Pro Max, which you and your clueless focus group decided (by "general consensus," lol) was "pretty good at a desk but not something you'd want to walk around with and use." Ever hear of the iPhone 11 Pro Max? The 12 Pro Max has, essentially, the same size and weight specs. To be precise about it: the 12 Pro Max is  7/10 mm THINNER, 3/10 mm wider, 2.8 mm longer and 2 grams (roughly 1/15 ounce) heavier. In fact, it's only the tiniest bit bigger and heavier than the XS Max or 8 Plus. But, you know, stupid Apple buyers--even after three years, they STILL haven't learned that you can't walk around with a phone this size and they just keep on buying them!

    As virtually ever other reviewer has figured out, the iPhone 12 Pro Max... like the 11 Pro Max, XS Max and 8 Plus before it... are for buyers who WANT the biggest and best screen possible, the best battery life and--in the case of the 12 Pro Max--a significantly upgraded camera system. THAT is who the 12 Pro Max is for, not everybody, and by those parameters it's the best Max model that Apple has ever released. 
    Bolded point 1: This is absolutely not true. That may be what you want to read -- and that's fine -- but as a reminder, AppleInsider is for everybody, not just folks that bought the iPhone 12 Pro Max already, such as yourself.

    Bolded point 2: While you're welcome to approach your own thoughts on the iPhone 12 Pro Max any way you see fit, where did you get that I disagreed with this bolded point? I specifically addressed this point in the review. It's a great phone! It, as the headline says, is just not for everybody for the reasons that make it great for yourself and others, and folks that are making the decision on which to buy should know that.
    I understand that AI is for everybody. But no particular iPhone model is. You could literally begin and end every iPhone model review with the same line you've used for the 12 Pro Max: "Not for everybody." So why tag any model with that line when it obviously applies to all of them? "Lamborghini: Not for Everybody" Is that really a helpful headline and POV for a review, or is it just stating the obvious? 

    As for where I got the idea that you disagreed with bolded point 2: when you criticize a phone as "not something you'd want to walk around with and use" -- well, considering the whole point of a "mobile" phone is to walk around and use it, you've essentially declared the phone useless for its main purpose. Not to mention being clueless about what the target market for this phone WANTS to walk around with and use. You've pretty much written a review for people who have no interest in walking around with a bigger, heavier phone--and while I totally get that pov represents more of "everybody" than not, what's the point? I'm pretty sure no one needed an AI review to tell them that the Pro Max is a bigger, heavier phone. 

    It's obvious--believe me!--that the 12 Pro Max IS NOT the phone for YOU, which is fine, but it's unfortunate that you allowed this bias to permeate the whole review. 
    williamlondon
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    Mike WuertheleMike Wuerthele Posts: 6,861administrator
    charlesn said:
    charlesn said:
    Thanks for the most inane review to date on the 12 Pro Max. Let's start with the headline, shall we? "Not for everybody." Well, Captain Obvious, if Apple made an iPhone that WAS for everybody, we wouldn't need five models, would we? The whole reason for Apple's multiple model strategy is that there is no one, two or even three iPhones that will please everybody, hence we have five... and even then, there's still no iPhone for the bargain Android crowd, mainly because Apple rightly sees no profit in that market. Bottom line: reviewing any particular iPhone model in terms of its mass appeal makes no sense. You can only review them and rate them in terms of how well they fit the market segment for which each model was intended. 

    Then there's the emphasis on the extraordinary size (at least to you) of the 12 Pro Max, which you and your clueless focus group decided (by "general consensus," lol) was "pretty good at a desk but not something you'd want to walk around with and use." Ever hear of the iPhone 11 Pro Max? The 12 Pro Max has, essentially, the same size and weight specs. To be precise about it: the 12 Pro Max is  7/10 mm THINNER, 3/10 mm wider, 2.8 mm longer and 2 grams (roughly 1/15 ounce) heavier. In fact, it's only the tiniest bit bigger and heavier than the XS Max or 8 Plus. But, you know, stupid Apple buyers--even after three years, they STILL haven't learned that you can't walk around with a phone this size and they just keep on buying them!

    As virtually ever other reviewer has figured out, the iPhone 12 Pro Max... like the 11 Pro Max, XS Max and 8 Plus before it... are for buyers who WANT the biggest and best screen possible, the best battery life and--in the case of the 12 Pro Max--a significantly upgraded camera system. THAT is who the 12 Pro Max is for, not everybody, and by those parameters it's the best Max model that Apple has ever released. 
    Bolded point 1: This is absolutely not true. That may be what you want to read -- and that's fine -- but as a reminder, AppleInsider is for everybody, not just folks that bought the iPhone 12 Pro Max already, such as yourself.

    Bolded point 2: While you're welcome to approach your own thoughts on the iPhone 12 Pro Max any way you see fit, where did you get that I disagreed with this bolded point? I specifically addressed this point in the review. It's a great phone! It, as the headline says, is just not for everybody for the reasons that make it great for yourself and others, and folks that are making the decision on which to buy should know that.
    I understand that AI is for everybody. But no particular iPhone model is. You could literally begin and end every iPhone model review with the same line you've used for the 12 Pro Max: "Not for everybody." So why tag any model with that line when it obviously applies to all of them? "Lamborghini: Not for Everybody" Is that really a helpful headline and POV for a review, or is it just stating the obvious? 

    As for where I got the idea that you disagreed with bolded point 2: when you criticize a phone as "not something you'd want to walk around with and use" -- well, considering the whole point of a "mobile" phone is to walk around and use it, you've essentially declared the phone useless for its main purpose. Not to mention being clueless about what the target market for this phone WANTS to walk around with and use. You've pretty much written a review for people who have no interest in walking around with a bigger, heavier phone--and while I totally get that pov represents more of "everybody" than not, what's the point? I'm pretty sure no one needed an AI review to tell them that the Pro Max is a bigger, heavier phone. 

    It's obvious--believe me!--that the 12 Pro Max IS NOT the phone for YOU, which is fine, but it's unfortunate that you allowed this bias to permeate the whole review. 
    I'm not sure why you're taking this review -- which by definition contains my opinions -- so personally and aggressively, because my conclusions differ from yours. The only conclusion I can draw is you're looking for some kind of purchase validation, which I'm sorry you didn't get in the review text.

    If I was going to "essentially declare the phone useless for its main purpose" I wouldn't mince words. When I hate something, or don't recommend something, I'm very, very clear about it. There is no kind of hate in this review, nor is there any implication that is the case. I'll have to dig it up, but years ago, prior to the iPhone 6 release, Apple commissioned a survey that said about 75% of the iPhone's use was seated, in bed, or at a desk, so just because some folks would rather not use it while walking, that doesn't mean that the device is not fit for purpose. "Not for everybody" does not mean "not for anybody."

    Here's the purchase validation, in case you're looking for it: I'm glad you know enough about yourself and the ecosystem to know that the iPhone 12 Pro Max is for you, as it is a great smartphone. That's not a true statement for everybody, and arguably, it's not a true statement for the vast majority of the smartphone market.

    You didn't like this review, so in all likelihood, our opinions on mobile technologies vary, which is also okay. My advice to you, because of opinions, is to find a reviewer whose interests and tastes dovetail more with your own. 

    I have a question, though -- and this isn't a gotcha in any way. In a previous comment, you'd noted that the 12 Pro Max had more of a brick-like feeling in your hand than the 11 Pro Max did. Has that changed with usage? I feel like the 22 folks that I got to try the phone may feel differently with time, if your opinion has changed over that same time since you posted the comment.
    edited November 2020 williamlondonmuthuk_vanalingamdewmeGeorgeBMacwinstoner71
  • Reply 18 of 35
    JWSCJWSC Posts: 1,203member
    Our personal experience with the iPhone 12 Pro Max camera is that it is a revolution at low light levels. Our Samsung owning friends always thought their cameras were better in low light.  And it was hard to disagree because their camera software did some special magic that resulted in brighter low light photos than our previous iPhone X.  The iPhone 12 Pro Max’s larger CCD sensor helps.  But the use of LiDAR with the camera is a game changer.  We’ve never been able to take such photos before.  And our Samsung owning friend drool. 😁
    watto_cobra
  • Reply 19 of 35
    dewmedewme Posts: 5,362member
    This was a nice balanced review. The only thing I’d add is that choice of case is very critical with the larger phones. I’ve found that Apple’s silicone cases tend to neutralize a lot of “bigness” of the big phones because they impart a feeling of confidence when holding the phone. Apple’s silicone cases seem to have the perfect combination of grippiness versus friction, in other words they feel great in your hands and still slide into your pocket easily. 

    I despise hard plastic cases, even on the smallest of phones. My wife has an iPhone 11 in a hard plastic case and I always feel like it’s trying to slip out of my hand.  My iPhone XS Max is in a silicone case and it is much easier and more secure to hold. Heck, I even have an Apple smart battery case for my XS Max that I use occasionally and it’s more comfortable to hold than any hard plastic case. My second choice is Apple’s leather case, but it’s still not nearly as secure feeling as their silicone cases. In my opinion, having a secure grip on your phone is at least 90% of the way towards protecting your phone from damage. 
    williamlondonwatto_cobra
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    dewme said:
    This was a nice balanced review. The only thing I’d add is that choice of case is very critical with the larger phones. I’ve found that Apple’s silicone cases tend to neutralize a lot of “bigness” of the big phones because they impart a feeling of confidence when holding the phone. Apple’s silicone cases seem to have the perfect combination of grippiness versus friction, in other words they feel great in your hands and still slide into your pocket easily. 

    I despise hard plastic cases, even on the smallest of phones. My wife has an iPhone 11 in a hard plastic case and I always feel like it’s trying to slip out of my hand.  My iPhone XS Max is in a silicone case and it is much easier and more secure to hold. Heck, I even have an Apple smart battery case for my XS Max that I use occasionally and it’s more comfortable to hold than any hard plastic case. My second choice is Apple’s leather case, but it’s still not nearly as secure feeling as their silicone cases. In my opinion, having a secure grip on your phone is at least 90% of the way towards protecting your phone from damage. 
    The thing to do with the leather case is to dampen your hands and rub the leather really good.  Do this periodically and you'll see a patina develop but also it will get a little bit of grip to it.  Not as much as the silicone, but better than the leather right out of the box by far.  
    dewmewilliamlondonurdamanwatto_cobra
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