Microsoft to end IE, Safari needs to improve
Well, this is no surprise. MS and it's monopolistic ways is now looking to integrate IE into their future operating systems.
No more standalone versions of IE.
Of course that also means no more IE for Mac.
And before anyone says, who needs IE, just remember that Safari is still Beta and it's still has problems with many sites. Unfortunately the standard by which most people program sites to is still IE.
Safari is okay, but it still needs to mature quite a bit.
http://news.com.com/2100-1032_3-1011859.html?tag=fd_top
No more standalone versions of IE.
Of course that also means no more IE for Mac.
And before anyone says, who needs IE, just remember that Safari is still Beta and it's still has problems with many sites. Unfortunately the standard by which most people program sites to is still IE.
Safari is okay, but it still needs to mature quite a bit.
http://news.com.com/2100-1032_3-1011859.html?tag=fd_top
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I think Safari 1.0 will be downloadable after the WWDC keynote, perhaps a few days before. If there's any new software coming, Apple won't want to tax their servers too heavily.
I don't load beta software on my machine, so I have yet to experience Safari. I know Autofill and tabs have been added during the beta cycle, so I'm looking forward to it!
Listen.
That sound you don't hear is my heart breaking. I haven't used IE in months and I have no desire to ever load it up again. Good riddance to bad rubbish.
One feature that I really want to see in Safari 1.0 is the ability to "emulate" itself and Internet Explorer for Windows. If this feature is included then we will not have to worry about going to some sites that require IE on a PC
I don't see that anyone here has proposed Safari for Windows.
Been eating too much beef out there in the West?
Originally posted by Leonis
Slightly off topic.
One feature that I really want to see in Safari 1.0 is the ability to "emulate" itself and Internet Explorer for Windows. If this feature is included then we will not have to worry about going to some sites that require IE on a PC
Two words: Debug. Menu.
1) Close Safari, open Terminal
2) defaults write com.apple.Safari IncludeDebugMenu 1
3) There is no step 3!
Your prayers are answered.
Barto
Originally posted by Frank777
Uh, Leonis....
Been eating too much beef out there in the West?
Probably
....I just got a big stick dinner tonite, no kidding.
2) defaults write com.apple.Safari IncludeDebugMenu 1
For my own future reference how would you find out something like that? I tried looking in plist editor before entering that, I found nothing. After entering that the preference was in plist editor. How would someone find this kind of stuff out?
Originally posted by Barto
Two words: Debug. Menu.
1) Close Safari, open Terminal
2) defaults write com.apple.Safari IncludeDebugMenu 1
3) There is no step 3!
Your prayers are answered.
Barto
That will cause Safari to identify itself as IE but not behave like IE (I think), so for sites that only let you enter if you identify as IE it solves the problem.
But if the site is written to work only with IE, then telling it that you are using IE does no good, it may let you in, but it won't work properly.
Originally posted by Snof
That will cause Safari to identify itself as IE but not behave like IE (I think), so for sites that only let you enter if you identify as IE it solves the problem.
But if the site is written to work only with IE, then telling it that you are using IE does no good, it may let you in, but it won't work properly.
I'm sure Apple is working to improve compatibility with sites designed with IE in mind, or that requires IE for some reason. It knows this is important to customers. Bu at least sites can't shut you out if you're using Safari. It's going to be interesting to see if Apple includes this feature in the final release of Safari though.
Originally posted by Snof
That will cause Safari to identify itself as IE but not behave like IE (I think),
Why would you want it behave like IE. Slow, nasty piece of shit that Gates forces down the masses throat. If you want IE, then use IE!!
Surely by now we have options, Safari, Camino... why burden ourselves with the fecal matter that is IE? At the very worst Nutscrape. Anybody using Firebird (if I remember its name correctly)?
If only I had more ability with X11, Office would be gone in a flash.
Originally posted by jwri004
Why would you want it behave like IE. Slow, nasty piece of shit that Gates forces down the masses throat. If you want IE, then use IE!!
I don't think that was his point. He simply stated (quite clarly) that he wanted Safari to be compatible with sites designed for IE.
Originally posted by westonm
For my own future reference how would you find out something like that?
Use the strings command in Terminal on the app, guess at what are some possible options, and plug them in hoping they have some effect.
Originally posted by NETROMac
He simply stated (quite clarly) that he wanted Safari to be compatible with sites designed for IE.
Personally, I'd kill web designers who test their work against the only browser. That being off-topic, there are standards and there is Microsoft. Redmond likes to establish its own standards and rarely follows experts' recommendations. They've been ignoring 3WC for years, bloating IE with strange features and bugs they call features, beyond hope or remedy. As a result, we have millions of lazy web designers who find it easier to test a page only in IE than to read manuals by 3WC. So, in a nutshell, Apple had better make a fast standards-compliant browser than copy IE's bugs and quirks.
Originally posted by costique
So, in a nutshell, Apple had better make a fast standards-compliant browser than copy IE's bugs and quirks.
I agree, but I wouldn't mind some kind of "IE on XP emulation" on sites that require it.
Originally posted by NETROMac
I agree, but I wouldn't mind some kind of "IE on XP emulation" on sites that require it.
Yes. Alas, it would still be good for poor users.