Looprumors-"970 before Fall"

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in Future Apple Hardware edited January 2014
Looprumors states that one of their sources has told them that a new, totally redesigned Powermac, with a 970, will be released before Fall 2003. The new Powermac will sport a brand-new enclosure designed for the new processor. Read the rather brief story <a href="http://www.looprumors.com"; target="_blank">here</a>.I do hope that it is true.
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  • Reply 1 of 67
    kidredkidred Posts: 2,402member
    [quote]Originally posted by os10geek:

    <strong>Looprumors states that one of their sources has told them that a new, totally redesigned Powermac, with a 970, will be released before Fall 2003. The new Powermac will sport a brand-new enclosure designed for the new processor. Read the rather brief story <a href="http://www.looprumors.com"; target="_blank">here</a>.I do hope that it is true.</strong><hr></blockquote>



    Good to see our hopes are being fortified with more speculative rumors !! Awesome.



    Can't wait to see the vission of the future of Apple.
  • Reply 2 of 67
    os10geekos10geek Posts: 413member
    That is what I am thinking. More and more confirmation of this gives me hope. But what if Apple sees that we are all expecting the 970 in July, and then changes the release date just to play mind games with us hopefuls?
  • Reply 3 of 67
    I would rather they test the thing completely all the way down the manufacturing pipeline so that when they show the PM they will be ready. Rather than show the box, then say it will be ready in a couple of months.



    Release it when its ready. NOT when we want it.
  • Reply 3 of 67
    I think the fact IBM has announced their own servers using the 970 leans towards an earlier that previously expected release date for new PowerMacs.



    Does any one think it could be as early as WWDC. Imagine a new top of the line system pictched at developers at the same time Quark for X is released?



    Also any speculation on what the branding will be? G5? 970?
  • Reply 5 of 67
    os10geekos10geek Posts: 413member
    Why the hell would Quark faux-artists need a 970 to do their thing when they only need iMacs currently? (Sorry if I offended any Quark afficianados out there) And "G5" would sound stupid, but I am betting that Apple will try to avoid using "Powermac 970" as the name, from past experiences of the confusion of the customers trying to deal with the crazy pre-G3 names. Maybe a new letter, because this is a totally new generation of processor: a 64-bit one. So instead of "G", maybe a "Powermac F1"? That would be slick. But PLEASE, Apple, try to avoid having X or Xtreme in the name. <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" />
  • Reply 6 of 67
    hmurchisonhmurchison Posts: 12,419member
    Actually Looprumors mentioning Fall is not going out on a limb. The 970 pdf clearly mentions



    Samples 2Q 2003, Production 2H 2003



    Of course 2H 2003 could mean anything but the peope saying things like "we won't see these until 2004" are far more pessimistic than IBM.



    July would be great though. That would easily beat most estimates and probably mean that yield rates are excellent on these chips.
  • Reply 7 of 67
    frostymmbfrostymmb Posts: 131member
    [quote] But PLEASE, Apple, try to avoid having X or Xtreme in the name. <hr></blockquote>



    I beg of Apple the same thing. Xtreme just sounds lame to me if they put it into the title of a Mac. I can accept the correctly spelled Extreme in Airport Extreme, but I still get a somewhat 'lame' sense about the name. Just my thought. I'm also against seeing G5 on the new machines because it just brings back anger towards Moto for not having the original G5 for us two years ago.



    [ 03-13-2003: Message edited by: FrostyMMB ]</p>
  • Reply 8 of 67
    I'm glad to see a healthy amount of 'hints' coming from 'Apple sources'.



    Just like all those leaks we got for 'X' before the 'final' candidate came out.



    Apple may well be feeling verrrrry confident about the '970' and when it can deliver it in 'POWER'Macs. It's good to see Apple recognises that the lack of mhz (no doubt coupled with the lack of bandwidth and actual performance...particularly without altivec optimisation...) compared to x86 land has cost them one helluva lotta 'power'Mac sales. 2 year lag? I'd say! It aint just the economy. Dell and HP et al all sell plenty of towers. They NEED to get their 'sales engine' back online and firing on all cylinders. They need to really OWN that workstation market.



    I think they can do it.



    You can't fool people with an under performing chip. The G4's progress and performance have clearly struggled to keep pace. Especially in the 3D workstation end of things.



    It's a moot point. Anyhow, Apple know what the problem is and are confident of fixing it before the fall.



    I like the sound of that.



    I'm gagging for it.



    A decent tower, that is. From Apple. That is!



    Lemon Bon Bon <img src="graemlins/surprised.gif" border="0" alt="[surprised]" />



    And the new case? Sounds exciting. Maximise the impact of a new chip. A stunning new tower case. I'm hoping this is more than an el cap' tweak. It's got to be the 'full monty'.



    A cube-esque stretch limo' transparent, ice and chrome masterpiece. Bring it on Mr. Ives.



    Give it to me!!!
  • Reply 9 of 67
    ed m.ed m. Posts: 222member
    Check out this recent article that counterbalances some of what Hannibal's latest X86-64 article mentions.



    Amorph and Programmer: any comments?



    Dave usually accepts e-mail to discuss any issues.



    <a href="http://www.igeek.com/articles/Opinion/x86-64.txt"; target="_blank">x86-64. Corrections to Ars-Technica By: David K. Every</a>



    [email protected]



    --

    Ed M.
  • Reply 10 of 67
    bodhibodhi Posts: 1,424member
    This is getting out of hand everyone. Someone is starting a new 970 thread every day with new information. Future Hardware is flooded with 970 threads. Please contribute them to an existing thread.



    This is the last one that gets by...



  • Reply 11 of 67
    [quote]Originally posted by FrostyMMB:

    <strong>



    I beg of Apple the same thing. Xtreme just sounds lame to me if they put it into the title of a Mac. I can accept the correctly spelled Extreme in Airport Extreme, but I still get a somewhat 'lame' sense about the name. Just my thought. I'm also against seeing G5 on the new machines because it just brings back anger towards Moto for not having the original G5 for us two years ago.



    ]</strong><hr></blockquote>



    I agree on the lameness of "extreme". Very embarrasing and un-Apple.



    The 970 however, should and will be called the G5. 99.9% of consumers have no knowledge of Moto's processor history. To them it's just "one faster" than the G4, just like the Pentium 5 will be "one faster" than the Pentium 4.
  • Reply 12 of 67
    amorphamorph Posts: 7,112member
    [quote]Originally posted by Ed M.:

    <strong>Check out this recent article that counterbalances some of what Hannibal's latest X86-64 article mentions.



    Amorph and Programmer: any comments?



    Dave usually accepts e-mail to discuss any issues.



    <a href="http://www.igeek.com/articles/Opinion/x86-64.txt"; target="_blank">x86-64. Corrections to Ars-Technica By: David K. Every</a>

    </strong><hr></blockquote>



    I kinda sorta see David's point, but faulting Hannibal for not taking a more holistic view in an article aimed fairly narrowly at the changes wrought by x86-64 seems to me to be tilting at windmills. It's a narrowly aimed technical article written by an engineer and published on a site that publishes narrowly aimed technical articles. If there's a bit of a slant toward PC technology, well, Ars Technica is well known for that. Everyone has their own spin on things, not least David K. Every.



    It seemed clear to me that Hannibal took a cautionary tone in the one paragraph where he addresses Mac users because he's just got done describing a bunch of architectural changes that are unique to the x86-64, not the result of a generic 32-bit to 64-bit transition. He doesn't say that the 970 won't be faster, and he does use the phrase "no cleaned up addressing scheme," which acknowledges (however implicitly) that there's no addressing scheme to clean up in the first place. It's clearly not spun to David's liking, but I don't see that that's worth a whole article - unless David would like to take Hannibal's paragraph as a starting point and write a supplementary article explaining where the 970's speed improvements will come from, if they're not coming from the transition to 64 bit.



    Hannibal has been preparing a followup article on the 970 for some time, and it seems that it has only failed to appear because he hasn't been able to research it as well as he'd like to. Given that, I see no reason to presume bad faith on his part, or a pro-x86 slant steeper than can be explained by simple familiarity. The proof will come, of course, with the arrival of his examination of the 970.



    [ 03-13-2003: Message edited by: Amorph ]</p>
  • Reply 13 of 67
    ziplocziploc Posts: 41member
    Given Apple's latest love affair with the letter X. I predict that the 970 will be marketed as either the X1 or X5.



    -zip
  • Reply 14 of 67
    tinktink Posts: 395member
    I've heard that Adobe is testing next generation chip box's form Apple.



    What's inside the box's exactly, I don't know. I do know that they are not G3's or G4's.



    [ 03-13-2003: Message edited by: tink ]</p>
  • Reply 15 of 67
    kidredkidred Posts: 2,402member
    [quote]Originally posted by tink:

    <strong>I've heard that Adobe is testing next generation chip box's form Apple.



    What's inside the box's exactly, I don't know. I do know that they are not G3's or G4's.



    [ 03-13-2003: Message edited by: tink ]</strong><hr></blockquote>



    So are these prototypes working well in testing or giving adobe people problems? Any news on how fast the apps are?
  • Reply 16 of 67
    tinktink Posts: 395member
    No word on how they are running, what software or OS version they're running or at what stage they are at.



    They are under lock and key and have very restricted access to them.



    That's all I know.
  • Reply 16 of 67
    gargar Posts: 1,201member
    if the 970 indeed will be introduced before fall 2003 and the yields of the 1.8Ghz version are really that good, apple could launche them in a fast/faster/fastest configuration.

    only they start with selling the fastest option only for the first 2 months for a reasonable (say $ 3k or less) price and make some real money. the fast/faster options follow later. just like the imac II.

    i'm sure that people who want the 970 but can't afford or don't want to spend that much for the fastest option don't have a problem to wait 2 months for their 1.6Ghz or 1.4Ghz.

    everyone else will buy the fastest option and are happy to be the first to have the next generation powermac and also have the fastest. (and apple can take it's time to ramp up real mass production)



    don't you hate it to buy the best apple money could buy and you have to wait 2 months before you can use it while everyone else is already toying around with their not so fast machines.
  • Reply 18 of 67
    os10geekos10geek Posts: 413member
    If the 1.8 ghz chip doesn't make it in the first release, I am going to be very pessimistic about future updates. Because if the 1.8 doesn't make it, that is an omen that Apple won't push the potential of the 970 to its limits, but instead live off the 970's novelty and recognition to get sales. If a DP model doesn't make it to market at first, that's fine and to be expected. But if Apple doesn't really want to give the Wintel world a run for its money, bad times will ensue. But if Intel gets its ass wipped very hard and thouroughly, then I'm all for it! <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" /> :cool:
  • Reply 19 of 67
    cliveclive Posts: 720member
    [quote]Originally posted by ziploc:

    <strong>I predict that the 970 will be marketed as either the X1 or X5.</strong><hr></blockquote>



    Nope, it'll be called the GX (X for X, X for 10, X for eXtreme, X for gen-x, X for whatever).



    And I've the real scoop on this too - it'll be announced on a Tuesday.
  • Reply 20 of 67
    os10geekos10geek Posts: 413member
    Hmmm...but which of the 52 Tuesdays will it be?
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