Why doesn't Bush just bypass Congress on ... everything? Who's going to stop him? Ashcroft?
Since he's above due process, why not just declare the end of the Democratic party and install the Bush monarchy? Who's going to stop him? Every Republican I talk to these days just sorta giggles at the prospect of the '04 election anyway. So why bother?
Why doesn't Bush just bypass Congress on ... everything? Who's going to stop him? Ashcroft?
Since he's above due process, why not just declare the end of the Democratic party and install the Bush monarchy? Who's going to stop him? Every Republican I talk to these days just sorta giggles at the prospect of the '04 election anyway. So why bother?
I say, "All hail Lord Bush!"
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I believe Clinton was rather famous for his recess appointments from what I recall. Of course all recent presidents do use this tactic to get people past the Congress. Yet amazingly enough I never heard anyone claim Clinton or the others were tossing away democracy. (That includes Reagan and Bush Sr. btw)
I believe Clinton was rather famous for his recess appointments from what I recall. Of course all recent presidents do use this tactic to get people past the Congress. Yet amazingly enough I never heard anyone claim Clinton or the others were tossing away democracy. (That includes Reagan and Bush Sr. btw)
Originally Congress met for just a few short weeks a year, if that. The original idea was that this was NOT to be a career, but a part-time job that citizens took on to help out their country.
So much for that idea.
So, if Congress was not in session, having members travel hundreds of miles by horse and buggy was... cumbersome. (See, back then there was this radical idea that representatives should actually be a part of the people they were representing... shocking, ain't it?) The President had the right to appoint certain offices, but Congress retained the right to overturn that on review once they were back in session.
Sometimes, I think we should just throw everything out, and start back using just the constitution as the foundation. A government recompile if you will. The current system of laws is cumbersome and ridiculous.
How does this work now? He has the position until Jan 2005, and then the Senate can vote to remove him? He doesn't have to be positively confirmed? Does that sidestep the fillibuster problem altogether, since 40 Senators is enough to fillibuster stop a conformation but not enough to win a vote to remove him?
Some of you need to look into the history of recess appointments a bit more before you decry someone you don't like getting one.
From CNN...
Quote:
Presidents have the power to bypass Congress and make "recess" appointments to judgeships and other positions that require Senate confirmation. The use of the power is relatively rare but hardly unprecedented.
Two Supreme Court justices received recess appointments. President Dwight D. Eisenhower put William Brennan and Earl Warren on the high court that way. And Justice Thurgood Marshall worked his way to the Supreme Court after President John F. Kennedy used a recess appointment to place Marshall on the Second Circuit of the U.S. Court of Appeals.
Presidents have used recess appointments to bring diversity to the court system, according to the National Archives.
Including Marshall, four of the five first African-American judges at the federal appellate level received recess appointments. And two of the three first female judges also were recess appointments.
I think the diversity argument presented in that CNN article most definitely doesn't apply here! The history of recess appointments has no effect on the fact that I vehemently disagree with Charles Pickering and his recess appointment.
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http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/nati...kering.html?hp
Since he's above due process, why not just declare the end of the Democratic party and install the Bush monarchy? Who's going to stop him? Every Republican I talk to these days just sorta giggles at the prospect of the '04 election anyway. So why bother?
I say, "All hail Lord Bush!"
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Originally posted by Northgate
Why doesn't Bush just bypass Congress on ... everything? Who's going to stop him? Ashcroft?
Since he's above due process, why not just declare the end of the Democratic party and install the Bush monarchy? Who's going to stop him? Every Republican I talk to these days just sorta giggles at the prospect of the '04 election anyway. So why bother?
I say, "All hail Lord Bush!"
[/sarcasm]
I believe Clinton was rather famous for his recess appointments from what I recall. Of course all recent presidents do use this tactic to get people past the Congress. Yet amazingly enough I never heard anyone claim Clinton or the others were tossing away democracy. (That includes Reagan and Bush Sr. btw)
Nick
http://www.onlineathens.com/stories/...ynominee.shtml
http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/1997/12/12/lee/
http://www.nclis.gov/news/pressrelea...0/recess3.html
http://www.cnsnews.com/facts/2003/facts20030917.asp
http://slate.msn.com/id/1002994/
What's good for the goose, etc, etc, etc
Originally posted by trumptman
I believe Clinton was rather famous for his recess appointments from what I recall. Of course all recent presidents do use this tactic to get people past the Congress. Yet amazingly enough I never heard anyone claim Clinton or the others were tossing away democracy. (That includes Reagan and Bush Sr. btw)
Nick
Its Bush's pick. He is an unseemly character.
This loop hole may need to be sealed up though.
So much for that idea.
So, if Congress was not in session, having members travel hundreds of miles by horse and buggy was... cumbersome. (See, back then there was this radical idea that representatives should actually be a part of the people they were representing... shocking, ain't it?) The President had the right to appoint certain offices, but Congress retained the right to overturn that on review once they were back in session.
if not, why don't presidents do it more often
if they do, why would presidents appoint someone knowing it would tick off congress and insure that the appointment is a short one?
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Originally posted by thegelding
and the question is, do any of these recess appointments get overturned??
if not, why don't presidents do it more often
if they do, why would presidents appoint someone knowing it would tick off congress and insure that the appointment is a short one?
g
In a lot of cases it makes it harder to overturn than reject the applicant *IF* they do a decent job while they have the office.
"We don't like him, we don't think he'll do a good job" becomes harder to justify if the person has a good track record.
Originally posted by Kickaha
Quick google search for 'clinton recess appointment', top five links:
http://www.onlineathens.com/stories/...ynominee.shtml
http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/1997/12/12/lee/
http://www.nclis.gov/news/pressrelea...0/recess3.html
http://www.cnsnews.com/facts/2003/facts20030917.asp
http://slate.msn.com/id/1002994/
What's good for the goose, etc, etc, etc
Originally posted by billybobsky
Its Bush's pick. He is an unseemly character.
This loop hole may need to be sealed up though.
Good luck, I doubt any party would seal it since they both use it.
Nick
Originally posted by Scott
Why didn't the Senate just vote on him when they had the chance
Because the Democrats filibustered.
Originally posted by rageous
Because the Democrats filibustered.
I think Scott was aware of that
Fellows
It was the only way he was going to get Pickering in. And it's only for 1 year. He can be replaced.
From CNN...
Presidents have the power to bypass Congress and make "recess" appointments to judgeships and other positions that require Senate confirmation. The use of the power is relatively rare but hardly unprecedented.
Two Supreme Court justices received recess appointments. President Dwight D. Eisenhower put William Brennan and Earl Warren on the high court that way. And Justice Thurgood Marshall worked his way to the Supreme Court after President John F. Kennedy used a recess appointment to place Marshall on the Second Circuit of the U.S. Court of Appeals.
Presidents have used recess appointments to bring diversity to the court system, according to the National Archives.
Including Marshall, four of the five first African-American judges at the federal appellate level received recess appointments. And two of the three first female judges also were recess appointments.
Nick