No, No, No, it'll never happen because....

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in General Discussion edited January 2014
Dream products, please supply the reasons they will never happen.





HOME



digital hub home base, media appliance,



audio systems



home theater systems



big screen dispalys



projection displays





ENTERPRISE

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G5 blade



workstations



panaramic displays



thin client display



graphics tablet\t\t\t



headless mac



mojave emac





ENTERPRISE SOFTWARE



open office office suite



an AppleWorks OSX to best MS Office



exchange killer



trusted OSX



grid for everyone



consumer prosumer pro apps



ilife for window



3d graphics apps





SERVICES



itunes for linux



imovie store



book publishing





RETAIL



mass market consumer line





DESKTOPS



G5 imac



IBM mojave in low end imac



G5 cube





IBOOKS POWEBOOKS



G5 powerbook



IBM mojave G3+++ in Ibooks



ruggedized Ibooks



ruggedized powerbooks



Fuel cell powerbook



PODS



return of newton



oled Ipod



video pod



satelite radio Ipod



bluetooth enabled pod



NEXTGENERATION HUMAN INTERFACE DEVICES



inkwell tablet



click wheel mouse



dual click wheel gameing handset



smart led cases



radical HID developments



force feedback interface



OSX 10.3d interface\t





QUICKTIME



Quicktime on PC's



Quicktime on linux



Quicktime dominate media API's



ubiquitious quicktime





OSX



OSX on HP ipac



OSX on cellphones



OSX on PDA's



OSX on PDA, phone, pod,



OSX on tablets



OSX on IBM PPC



OSX on SUN



OSX on SGI



OSX on Intel



OSX86



Apple takes on MS on X86



AAPL buying some or all of SGI



AAPL buying some or all of Sun

Comments

  • Reply 1 of 9
    crusadercrusader Posts: 1,129member
    Never say never. How many of us thought that Apple would not only enter the super-saturated MP3 player market, but also come close to dominating it? It's stupid to bet against Apple on anything. The only thing Apple will NEVER do is carpeting. That much I am sure of, because anything else, hey, WTF not?
  • Reply 2 of 9
    the one thing i can comment on is a movie store. in an interview, steve said it won't happen anytime soon b/c people want instant gratification, and movies take forever to download, and thus no instant gratification. this could happen way down the road if everyone is running t1's or something...
  • Reply 3 of 9
    Quote:

    Quicktime on linux



    I would like this very much...
  • Reply 4 of 9
    guarthoguartho Posts: 1,208member
    Quicktime has been available on Windows since at least Windows 95.
  • Reply 5 of 9
    cubistcubist Posts: 954member
    That's an awfully long list, squareback, and many of the items are thought to be in development already.



    Some of us think that Apple is trying to keep their lineup small and not digress into other areas, like projectors, TVs, audio systems, etc.



    As for OSX on SGI, Sun, etc.: supporting multiple targets with an OS is very labor-intensive and expensive. The testing and support costs are proportional to the square of the number of platforms supported. Releases come out infrequently, and the number of platform-specific bugs increases. Not to say that they won't do it - but if they do, they will need to considerably increase their programming staff.
  • Reply 6 of 9
    >digital hub home base, media appliance,



    Apple can't make an elegant home appliance yet w/o an unholy alliance with TiVo and developing their digital devices strategy (iPod is just the beginning,) into a sound infrastructure.



    >audio systems

    Incredibly saturated market, plus, see above



    >home theater systems

    Same as audio



    >big screen dispalys

    This may happen, Gateway took the plunge, DELL's following, it's only a matter of time before Apple does it right.



    >projection displays

    This is not a "turnkey" solution for the user, and Apple can't guarantee the quality of the final output (depends on the surface you're projecting on, lighting conditions, etc.) It is much easier for them to sell a NICE flat-screen display such as Plasma.



    ENTERPRISE

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    >G5 blade

    The G5 computing node takes care of this to a certain extent.



    >workstations

    what do you think the top-of-the-line G5s are?



    >panaramic displays

    I have no idea.



    >thin client display

    Apple believes in empowering personal computing,



    >graphics tablet\t\t\t

    Too small a market for Apple to make real money.



    >headless mac

    Apple sells style and lifestyle as much as it does computers, beheading the mac would rob the aesthetic and stylistic qualities out of their consumer strategy.



    >mojave emac

    no clue.



    ENTERPRISE SOFTWARE



    >open office office suite

    Too many people are obsessed with MS Office.



    >an AppleWorks OSX to best MS Office

    This would happen if MS killed off all Mac support.



    >exchange killer

    Interesting, but they need a Mac/Win client that kills Outlook (not very hard to do, Outlook sucks)



    >trusted OSX

    The "trusted" initiatives are seen as big-brother, Apple is culturally against this.



    >grid for everyone

    Little perceived benefit by consumers.



    >consumer prosumer pro apps

    Final Cut Express/FC Pro/Shake/Soundtrack exist... give it time, they're developing this segment



    >ilife for window

    They kill consumer Macs if they do this.



    >3d graphics apps

    Incredibly labor and reserach intensive, small market, plus they have Maya for OSX.



    SERVICES



    >itunes for linux

    Apple's of the belief that if you're gonna do Unix/Linux, go with OSX.



    >imovie store

    Give it 5 years



    >book publishing

    e-Books... maybe...



    RETAIL



    >mass market consumer line

    They really really really need this.



    DESKTOPS



    >G5 imac

    Give it 6 months.



    >IBM mojave in low end imac

    no clue



    >G5 cube

    The G5 cube will be the G5 imac... in a sense...



    IBOOKS POWEBOOKS



    >G5 powerbook

    Cooling problems, although we'll see them late this year.



    >IBM mojave G3+++ in Ibooks

    They moved iBooks to G4, and they'll stick to that through 1.33GHz



    >ruggedized Ibooks

    don't know



    >ruggedized powerbooks

    don't know



    >Fuel cell powerbook

    Give it 5 years.



    PODS



    >return of newton

    The planets have to align for that, you'd need serious development on OSX lite, and it would only come in the shape of a PDA / iPod / CellPhone / Movie Player... The ultimate convergence device. Give it 3-4 years.



    >oled Ipod

    Give it two years.



    >video pod

    Give it two years.



    >satelite radio Ipod

    ditto



    >bluetooth enabled pod

    5th generation iPods...



    NEXTGENERATION HUMAN INTERFACE DEVICES



    >inkwell tablet

    Too slow with current R&D



    >click wheel mouse

    who knows?



    >dual click wheel gameing handset

    Apple doesn't really develop many accessories.



    >smart led cases

    dunno



    >radical HID developments

    Apple's a huuuuuuuge company with a large installed user base, they suffer from intertia.



    >force feedback interface

    Interesting, but years--maybe decades away.



    >OSX 10.3d interface\t

    Not likely within any 2D display technology, managing 3D becomes a bit cumbersome, but I'm willing to be swayed.



    QUICKTIME



    >Quicktime on PC's

    well,this has already happened to a certain extent...Who knows?



    >Quicktime on linux

    Apple's linux support is nonexistent, and I don't see that changing.



    >Quicktime dominate media API's

    They need more development of what exactly Quicktime is, what it solves and what it needs to solve.



    >ubiquitious quicktime

    In my world it is



    OSX



    >OSX on HP ipac

    Would love to see this, but the Apple / HP partnership has only just begun, it's too hard to tell.



    >OSX on cellphones

    Overkill



    >OSX on PDA's

    Would require interface redesign, since PDAs are low-resolution.



    >OSX on PDA, phone, pod,

    I talked about this above



    >OSX on tablets

    same inkwell problem... won't happen until a decent tablet HID R&D is done.



    >OSX on IBM PPC

    We're there, aren't we?



    >OSX on SUN

    Sun's workstations are dying, due in part to the relatively dirt cheap 64-bit workstations Apple calls G5s.



    >OSX on SGI

    SGI is dying... has been for a long time, moreover, it has corporate necrotic agent--whatever it touches, dies.



    >OSX on Intel

    They keep a build of it, but will only use it should the fit hit the shan.



    OSX86



    >Apple takes on MS on X86

    We need to break 5% again before we try any revolutionist movements ;-)



    >AAPL buying some or all of SGI

    As per my above statement, Apple doesn't need necrosis.



    >AAPL buying some or all of Sun

    This would be interesting... but no reason to.
  • Reply 7 of 9
    amorphamorph Posts: 7,112member
    Moving to General Discussion, since this touches on all different kinds of stuff.
  • Reply 8 of 9
    amorphamorph Posts: 7,112member
    Quote:

    Originally posted by squareback

    digital hub home base, media appliance,



    The Mac is your digital hub. Attempts to integrate TV will run afoul of the content producers and broadcasters, who don't want their TV shows (including ads) anywhere near something that can run iMovie. Attempts to integrate PVR will run afoul of whoever's currently trying to play a video game or work in Garage Band, etc. Lastly, I think Apple's waiting for FireWire to gain traction.



    Quote:

    audio systems



    home theater systems



    big screen dispalys



    projection displays




    What value could Apple offer here? And where's the profit? Gateway's got the #1 selling plasma, and look what it's doing for them.





    Quote:

    ENTERPRISE



    Right now, the things keeping Apple out of enterprise are: Software compatibility, hang-ups about single vendors in general and Apple in particular, and networking compatibility. There's no reason to get hip-deep in enterprise offerings of any kind until Apple has some indication that someone will buy them. Xserves sell primarily into Apple's installed base.



    Quote:

    thin client display



    graphics tablet\t\t\t



    headless mac



    mojave emac




    Thin client: Apple shipped a few thinnish clients (dickless- I mean, diskless iMacs) to a Japanese university which asked for them by name. The original iMac didn't have a hard disk in its early design stages. So Apple's keeping an eye on the possibility. The problem has always been that the thin clients are attractive in theory and unusable in practice. Networks are neither fast enough nor scalable enough nor reliable enough, and the compromises necessary to make a thin client attractive price-wise don't help.



    Graphics tablet: What is Wacom doing wrong? If you meant a tablet computer, see thin client: They're great in theory, and they suck in practice. Apple's been making tablet prototypes since at least the mid-'80s, so again, they have an eye on the idea. If they haven't released one, it's probably because they haven't engineered out enough of the suck yet.



    Headless Mac: The engineering is trivial, but if you work the issues out it would hardly be less expensive than an eMac. If enterprises demand them, Apple will build them (as they did with the eMac). Right now, enterprise is not demanding anything of Apple.



    Mojave eMac: Why Mohave? An eMac update is not all that far off. We'll see what Apple decides to supply it with.



    Quote:

    open office office suite



    an AppleWorks OSX to best MS Office



    exchange killer



    trusted OSX



    grid for everyone



    consumer prosumer pro apps



    ilife for window



    3d graphics apps




    Open Office? Look at what Apple borrows from open source: Small, lean daemons and libraries. They know better than to borrow anything with a UI. Right now, the #1 problem with alternative office software is .DOC file compatibility. .DOC is not an open or documented standard (the latest version is partly documented...) so if you want no-hassle, reliable document compatibility you get MS Office. The #2 is that Word is so complicated that people train specifically in that application. If you switch apps, even to an app with a better interface, you're obsoleting that training and forcing a learning curve.



    Exchange killer: They're already most of the way there, actually. They can't serve the proprietary Exchange format, however (it's proprietary, after all) so no erstwhile competitor could gain traction until clients other than Outlook were deployed across the enterprise. And that will happen when?



    Trusted OS X: May already exist.



    Grid for everyone: Anyone can download the SDK right now, and those who have some use for it undoubtedly will. Right now, though, it's only of interest to a subset of programmers.



    Apps: Apple doesn't make enough for you?!



    iLife for Windows: Why? iLife exists to sell Macs.



    3D graphics apps: This would be an immense undertaking to sell into a highly specialized field with entrenched applications that have loyal userbases. Why? Is there something wrong with what's already out there? Maya seems to be good enough for Pixar...



    Quote:



    itunes for linux



    imovie store



    book publishing





    Linux is currently thought of at Apple as primarily a server OS. This is because, statistically speaking, it is primarily a server OS. Servers do not need iTunes.



    iMovie Store: Steve has already talked about this. There's not enough bandwidth for instant gratification. When there is, Apple will think about it. And it probably won't sell iMovies.



    Book Publishing: Why? Apple doesn't do any other kind of publishing, and there's an entire industry devoted to this, including print-on-demand.



    Quote:



    mass market consumer line





    Apple would reply that they have one, or two, or three. What, exactly, do you mean by this (this is a recurrent problem with your post: what you want is not obvious). Furthermore, Apple has had horrible luck selling Macs in general retail, which only changes if they supply the store with an actual Apple employee. If you have a better idea, we're all ears.





    Quote:

    G5 imac



    IBM mojave in low end imac



    G5 cube




    Imminent, unnecessary, and unlikely, respectively.



    Quote:



    G5 powerbook



    IBM mojave G3+++ in Ibooks



    ruggedized Ibooks



    ruggedized powerbooks



    Fuel cell powerbook





    Respectively: Coming as soon as Apple can do it; Again, why Mojave? Apple will use what makes sense to them to use; ruggedized laptops are a tiny, specialized market - Apple will respond to demand here, and so far there doesn't appear to be any; if it makes sense, they'll do it.



    That's enough, I believe.
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