You know, I crashed about every few months running Jaguar. With Panther, I get system freezes on almost a daily basis. Has anyone else had the same experience?
it depends. with jaguar, i would get "app unexpectedly quit" messages on a semi-frequent basis. in panther, i get fewer small crashes, but every once in a while, i'll get a doozy where aqua just goes utterly numb and i have to hard restart.
I have had more problems with Panther than with Jaguar which I have mostly written off as problems with the G5 I got to run it on. Mostly my problems seem to be that Panther/G5 seems to forget things. Like, all of a sudden my external hard disk will spin down and the computer will not recognize it until I reboot. This is effectively a crash since any application which has to access the drive freezes (including the finder). It does similar things with my Roland UA-20 (usb device... suddenly it decides it isn't here and I have to unplug it and replug it), and my DSL line. I have also had the infamous Black Screen problem (which I am pretty sure is a G5 problem and not a Panther problem). Altogether I am a little unhappy with myself for having run out and put myself on the bleeding edge this time.
Only one actual kernel panic though and that was with 10.3.0.
it depends. with jaguar, i would get "app unexpectedly quit" messages on a semi-frequent basis. in panther, i get fewer small crashes, but every once in a while, i'll get a doozy where aqua just goes utterly numb and i have to hard restart.
The opposite for me. Jaguar had more unrecoverable crashes and Panther has more minor app crashes.
I have had more problems with Panther than with Jaguar which I have mostly written off as problems with the G5 I got to run it on. Mostly my problems seem to be that Panther/G5 seems to forget things. Like, all of a sudden my external hard disk will spin down and the computer will not recognize it until I reboot.
potentially dumb question, but did you check in the energy saver system pref? it has a "Put the hard disk(s) to sleep when possible" checkbox, which is on by default. if it does that to your external, with no way to kick it back on, then i could see the symptoms you're describing occurring. i always uncheck that box early on after i reinstall.
Unreliable, check your ram! It happend to me back in Jag, i had one stick of bad ram, and my comp was shit. Once i took it out, wheew, it has been good to me! So yea, check the ram and see how it works. Might want to reinstall your OS after too.
potentially dumb question, but did you check in the energy saver system pref? it has a "Put the hard disk(s) to sleep when possible" checkbox, which is on by default. if it does that to your external, with no way to kick it back on, then i could see the symptoms you're describing occurring. i always uncheck that box early on after i reinstall.
Yeah, I have it put the hard drive to sleep after a few minutes. However that was never a problem under Jaguar, and I don't think it is a problem with the internal drives. Why do you turn this off? Have you ever had a similar problem?
I've yet to have a single system crash (kernel panic, dead screen, etc.) since the day I went to 10.1 (I must install things right or something). And since upgrading to Panther I've only had a handful of app crashes, almost all of them Adobe CS apps. iTunes will quit on me occasionally also.
Otherwise I've been real happy with Panther. I think part of the "stability" issue is that the big 3rd party apps are not well-tested on Panther, based on my observations of my and other people's machines. So people are seeing issues that are really stemming from the apps they have installed / running, more than Panther itself being bugged out.
I used to get freezes in Jag with my dual 800 at work. Now with Panther I've had zero system-related crashes/freezes. The occasional app will bomb out now and then but thats about it.
it happened to me daily so i deleted weather pop (dunno wich version) and eliminated some other menu extras. Then used cocktail. Now its fast and never crashes
My personal experience with Panther is that it feels a lot faster and a lot less stable. Jaguar froze on me once in more than a year on 2 Macs I use. Panther UI has already frozen twice on 1 Mac. No kernel panics, though (is it a shame to admit I've never seen a kernel panic for about 3 years?). Applications crash on Panther a lot more than on Jaguar, even with virgin accounts.
I feel a little disappointed. Granted, Panther is a great technological advance, it still needs debugging.
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Only one actual kernel panic though and that was with 10.3.0.
Originally posted by rok
it depends. with jaguar, i would get "app unexpectedly quit" messages on a semi-frequent basis. in panther, i get fewer small crashes, but every once in a while, i'll get a doozy where aqua just goes utterly numb and i have to hard restart.
The opposite for me. Jaguar had more unrecoverable crashes and Panther has more minor app crashes.
Originally posted by JBL
I have had more problems with Panther than with Jaguar which I have mostly written off as problems with the G5 I got to run it on. Mostly my problems seem to be that Panther/G5 seems to forget things. Like, all of a sudden my external hard disk will spin down and the computer will not recognize it until I reboot.
potentially dumb question, but did you check in the energy saver system pref? it has a "Put the hard disk(s) to sleep when possible" checkbox, which is on by default. if it does that to your external, with no way to kick it back on, then i could see the symptoms you're describing occurring. i always uncheck that box early on after i reinstall.
Originally posted by rok
potentially dumb question, but did you check in the energy saver system pref? it has a "Put the hard disk(s) to sleep when possible" checkbox, which is on by default. if it does that to your external, with no way to kick it back on, then i could see the symptoms you're describing occurring. i always uncheck that box early on after i reinstall.
Yeah, I have it put the hard drive to sleep after a few minutes. However that was never a problem under Jaguar, and I don't think it is a problem with the internal drives. Why do you turn this off? Have you ever had a similar problem?
Otherwise I've been real happy with Panther. I think part of the "stability" issue is that the big 3rd party apps are not well-tested on Panther, based on my observations of my and other people's machines. So people are seeing issues that are really stemming from the apps they have installed / running, more than Panther itself being bugged out.
I feel a little disappointed. Granted, Panther is a great technological advance, it still needs debugging.
Originally posted by jeagen
What is cocktail?
It's this.